Was It A Goal?

I beleive I saw from one camera angle that Toews hit the puck with a high stick, which would mean no goal.

However, if the Blues end up winning most of their games by a score of whatever-to-1 and the one goal is a fluke that gets past Legace, then I’m happy.

I thought the puck jumped forward off of the top of the net, so one of two things happened:

1) Toews hit it.
2) The tension in the cords increased making the puck jump.

My guess is that it was clear that the puck crossed the line, but not clear if Toews hit it, even in HD, so they went with what was clear. I know that I could not tell even in slowed down DVR. It looked like he should have hit it, but the puck may have flopped over his stick.

Only thing bad is that Manny doesn’t have 3 shutouts, but he’s 3-0, with a 1.00 GAA. Like Pagan said, whatever-to-1 with a blues victory—it’s all good.

The group watching the game at our local watering hole agreed as a whole that the puck was touched by a high stick. I could not believe they took 10 minutes to review the trash goal and still not get the damn decision correct. So much for believing the guys in the war room in Toronto are alwyas on their toes!!!!!

Just like Pagan stated – as long as we got the “W”.

my gut reaction is no goal. i think toews hit the puck. the fact that it took so long to find proof to overturn the call makes me wonder just how conclusive their proof was. the win is definitely most important. i just think manny deserves better. if he needs a pick-me-up, he should watch the video of the goal patty lalime scored off his own arse to lose to the rangers in overtime and get himself waived back in 2005.

I actually went up to Chicago to watch this game and I actually said out loud- “How did that puck not cross the line?”. Then during the 4 hour review I got into an argument with some moron ‘Hawks fan because he couldn’t wrap his head around the idea of a high stick negating a goal. I was partially vindicated when they changed credit of the goal to Williams, and wholly vindicated when the Blues sent his precious Blackhawks on the losing end of an ass-whoopin. For the record, I think that (A) the puck crossed the line and that (B) Toews hit it in with a high stick.

I don’t know if he touched it. He came damn close if he didn’t touch it. But if it takes that long, it’s not definitive and shouldn’t overturn the call.

The NFL has a 90-second review rule where once the video starts, it’s supposed to shut off after 90 seconds. They do extend that to figure out the spot of the ball and time on the clock. The NHL should have something similar, mainly because a 10-minute review is damn emberassing.

Brett Hull was right, garage league indeed.

well, I’ll throw in some more angles to this discussion the puck would’ve sat on the top of the net (which calls for a stoppage of play in itself) had it not been forced forward. either Toews hit it, or he hit the net right by it causing a springboard reaction making it bounce off. whether or not Toews touched the puck, it jumped off as a direct reaction to his stick. the rookie phenom should know better than attempt to hit it above the crossbar. I would’ve called a final decision “no goal” without a damn review.

I stand by my claim the the puck reacted to Toews’ stick, and so no-goal.

I wonder if there is a league regulation regarding the tension of the net. I reckon a saggy net would kill any rouge puck’s momentum, where a taut net would be a trampoline in effect, and result in garbage fluke goals like this.

Alas, as noted above, the W is the important thing.

i saying it was a goal.
why?

conclusive video evidence the puck crossed the net

INconclusivevideo evidence the puck was touched with a high stick (possibly was, heck probably was— not definately was)

remeber the call on the ice was no gaol, no highstick

so only conclusive to overturn the no gaol call, not to overturn the no high stick call

Trauma, you are a complicated man with a complicated comment. And I still don’t agree with your “logic.”

The puck crossed the line no doubt about it. Everybody has focused on Toews as having touched the puck. I think he did but that didn’t the puck travel backwards from the direction it was traveling. The part everyone seemed to miss is that Patrick Sharp hit the puck with yet another high stick and drove it back towards the goal. And the other thing…the other replay was a Blues’ goal. Anyone who has played hockey knows that if your jamming a puck in and the leg pad goes behind the line the puck will follow right against the leg pad. Unfortunately if the ref doesn’t make the call there a video replay won’t have any conclusive evidence.

P.S. Trauma, does a puck in midair move like a billard ball across the felt suddenly gaining traction and rolling backwards?

I say we save our ire for a botched call that results in the Blues coming away without 2 points. We know its gonna happen at least a couple of times this year. The current discussion is moot.

True but don’t you still feel a bit of sickness from the Senators game last year?

I’m just glad it is rare to see games anymore when you notice the refs for their poor officiating more than you notice the game that’s actually being played. While the refereeing is still far from perfect, it’s a lot better than it had been.

look it isnt a single bullet THEORY it is a single bullet FACT.

lol

as i said… inconclusive (to me) evidence of high stick. tracking the movement of an object in 3-d space with a two d image is something i best leave to people who need more closure than i do..

eventually someone will model the puck in 3- d and we can all look at the virtual puck/no goal from any angle from any spot in the universe.. i’ll probably choose to be in some opium den in bancock looking towards the net, but whatever

but.. and let me whip out my current email closing line and modify tug mcgraw’s classic comments only slightly…

but.. and let me whip out my current email closing line and modify tug mcgraw’s classic comments only slightly…“Ten million years from now, when the sun burns out and the earth is just a frozen snowball hurling through space, nobody’s going to care whether or not” that was a tainted goal

but.. and let me whip out my current email closing line and modify tug mcgraw’s classic comments only slightly…“Ten million years from now, when the sun burns out and the earth is just a frozen snowball hurling through space, nobody’s going to care whether or not” that was a tainted goalI ALREADY don’t care :)

RABBLE!

RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE!!

That is all.