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The Only Goalie Controversy: Do We Have A Good One Anywhere?

OK Sean, I'll bite. Ever since Keenan ran Curtis Joseph off (and left the Blues without a goalie coach-a situation which would haunt them for YEARS), the team philosophy was to draft backups and pick up a #1 netminder through free agency. Good goalies are a dime-a-dozen on the FA market, and if you have a good team, a good goalie will get you fairly deep into the playoffs. (Sound familiar?)

 

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However, difference-makers in net are rare, and once a team gets one, they hang on to him at all costs. These guys are hard to find on the FA market, instead, they are used as trade bait if you get a surplus. I think the bigger question is, why can't the Blues organization develop goalies?

Brent Johnson: talent, no coach, no one to kick him in the ass and make him work in practice every day. Biggest problem: poor technique overall. Still haunts him as a backup in Washington. Watched him give up two sharp-angle goals last year in the 5-3 loss to the Blues.

Jason Bacashuiua: Failed to reach potential, turned into a goalie who could either steal or give away a game. When Blues acquired him, he was rated as one of the top 3 NHL goaltending prospects at his age/experience level. Biggest problem: rebounds, poor technique on angles.

Marek Schwarz: When I saw this kid in his first NHL game, I was enthusiastic. He was raw, but he had "IT". Other organizations thought so, too. (Brian--help me out here.) Now, he's extremely inconsistent, and has gotten worse, not better. Biggest problem: rebounds, lack of concentration.

Hannu Toivonen: Biggest problem: Can't deal with giving up goals. Head case with severe confidence issues. Until he realizes that goalies have to have short-term memory (just like baseball closers, NFL cornerbacks, basketball shooters) and you can't worry about the last one that you didn't stop, his talent and size don't mean shit.

Ben Bishop: He's HUGE. He has great lateral movement. Biggest current problem: rebounds. Ken Dryden made his living by being fundamentally perfect, limiting rebounds, and letting his size do the rest.  Why can't Bishop do the same?  Why can't Bishop be taught the same way?

Once they committed to growing a good goaltender, I think that the Blues have drafted talent; it just never seems to develop. Organizational failing or just bad luck? That's the next question I want to ask JD next chance I get.

 

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What the word on Jake Allen?

Isn’t he the other young goalie prospect in the system?

by tbell61 on Dec 18, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

They should ACTUALLY grow one

Did you here about the baby in Colorado who had a congenital twin growing in his brain? The Blues need to acquire farming rights to Patrick Roy’s cerebellum.

by Pagan on Dec 18, 2008 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Don’t we also have the kid from North Dakota that played with Oshie? That guy seemed to be a pretty good keeper.

by IrishBlue on Dec 18, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

GG, you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head with your analyses of Johnson, Bacashihua, Schwarz, Toivonen and Bishop. I can’t add anything to that.

Toivonen’s numbers in Finland have been OK this year, even though his team (Ilves) is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Maybe he’s getting his confidence back?

Irish, the Blues brought J-P Lamoureux into Development Camp, and he’s currently lighting up the ECHL with Alaska (13-7-1, 2.28, 92.7%), but he’s not signed to a Blues’ contract yet as far as I know.

Re: Bishop. At this point, he’s got to show me a little more. If the argument against Lemtyugov getting a callup was his inconsistency, then Bishop should have never seen the light of day in an NHL rink this year.

I know goalies vs. forwards are apples and oranges, but Bishop is every bit as inconsistent as Schwarz this year. One game he looks like Patrick Roy, the next he looks like SpongeBob’s buddy Patrick the Starfish…

Allen (14-11-0, 2.76, 92.3%) is, in my view, the real goalie of the future in this here organ-I-zation… and let’s not forget about Chris Holt, either.

Holt is big, though not as big as Bishop, and seems to be a little further along the developnment curve than Big Ben. Holt has done nothing but excel no matter where he’s been placed this year, in both Peoria and in Alaska. His current numbers in P-Town are 4-1-0, 1.41 GAA, 93.5% save percentage, blowing both Schwarz and Bishop out of the water.

Holt’s only 23, so he hasn’t even come close to entering his prime as a goalie yet. It’s not out of the realm of possibility at all that he, and not Bishop or Schwarz, will emerge as the top minor-league goalie in the system before the year’s out.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 18, 2008 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

Lamoureux has signed a one-year deal with the Blues. Pretty sure he has one of those 2 way deals.

http://www.areavoices.com/undhockey/?blog=31128

Dennis...
"If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than I am now." - Clark W Griswold

by BluesRoughing305 on Dec 19, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

personally I think he is a great asset the blues picked up. can’t wait to see him in the future next summer.

Dennis...
"If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than I am now." - Clark W Griswold

by BluesRoughing305 on Dec 19, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Thing that sucks is now that Schwarz is there he is most likely riding pine.

by IrishBlue on Dec 19, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Swell roundup

Painful review of the goalie tragicomedy, and more so when remembering that even Joseph was an undrafted free agent (so they had to get in a bidding war once everyone realized he was good), and even Riendeau was pulled from Montreal in exchange for Turtleneck May.

Tips for SBN newbies (I realize you’re not SLGT newbies). I’m leaving these here b/c I’m drunk after watching the game on DVR (Yeah, like you haven’t been there):

  • I rec’d this post. You can “rec” posts you really like, and eventually they’ll stay up longer if they get a minimum # of rec’s.
  • You’ve probably found the “reply” button, which helps clarify whose comment you’re referring to and creates the lovely indented threaded goodness.
  • Under “actions” for each comment you can also “rec” individual comments (although that’s getting carried away).
  • Also under “actions,” if a message board migrant is being a Class A Arsehole nuisance, you can “flag” their comment — which helps alert the resident SLBT bosses that a possible douchebag is on the premises.
  • Another thing about SBN: The My Blogs tab at the top of your screen creates a drop-down menu of the blogs you’ve “joined,” which includes a note about whether there are new stories/fanposts/fanshots. That helps quick navigation if you happen to follow two (last place!) teams or just a bunch of other blogs.

On that note, if you click on your user name, you can see all your comments, and ones that have received replies will be noted as such. So if you’ve run through your last Stag and decide to drop in on the Red Wings blog to say “Fuck Detroit!” ten times (not recommended … and it will be flagged … and you will get banned), you can see on your dashboard if anyone replied to your carefully typed effluvia (probably with something like, “Fuck Ste. Louiz”).

I drop these as a public service, and as a way to sober up, and because it sounds like at least one of the SLGT bosses has a real f-ing job or something like that, and I forget whether this stuff is in the “welcome” guide.

Oh, also, this is a PSA about the dangers of posting while drunk (You’re damn right I voted for option #1 in the “favorite part about the new GT site” poll.).

Lighthouse Hockey: an SB Nation New York Islanders blog with hip issues.

by Dominik on Dec 19, 2008 2:12 AM CST reply actions  

This sounds like a challenge to me:

So if you’ve run through your last Stag and decide to drop in on the Red Wings blog to say "Fuck Detroit!" ten times (not recommended … and it will be flagged … and you will get banned)

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Dec 21, 2008 1:45 AM CST reply actions  


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