The Great Perron Debate

By Brad Lee
Jeremy Rutherford (who gets mentioned on this fine blog as much or more than our own Answer Man) stirred the pot today with rookie David Perron's situation with the Blues.
In case you've been living under a rock, the organization hemmed and hawed at the beginning of the season on whether or not to keep the 19-year-old or send him back to Juniors (he's not old enough to play in Peoria in the AHL). He had a 10-game window in which to prove he belonged with the NHL team. And at the end of his tryout he scored two goals in a rousing Nov. 13 win over Detroit sealing the deal for him staying all season in St. Louis.
But as the year has worn on, Perron has spent almost as much time in the press box as Matt Walker. He's sat four of the last five games and it seems like he's competing with of all people D.J. King for playing time. Now Cam Janssen is in the picture. And of course when Perron plays, he sometimes is on a line with guys like Jamal Mayers, Ryan Johnson and King if they both happen to dress the same night.
Let's let the Blues defend themselves in Rutherford's story and Morning Skate blog which both came out today.
John Davidson said:
"But I know it's a process with this kid. We're trying as an organization to make our team a great team long term. That includes working with young players to make them fit that mold. In my opinion, David's like a young colt that's frisky, running around. But he's got to learn some structure.
"We could bow to public pressure and put him in for every game. But I don't know if that's the right thing right now. You don't just learn by playing games."
And Andy Murray had this to say:
"If we think he's going to help us win, he'll be in the lineup. But everything has to be earned."
Perron had this to say in his defense:
"I've got confidence in Andy. I don't think he wants me to be a bad player in five years. I think he's doing this for my best, in his eyes. We'll see later if it was the best."
Through those quotes, we learn that Perron hasn't adapted to the system yet, the team is aware of the fan angst surrounding young No. 57 and Murray thinks he hasn't earned his playing time.
If we could pull young David aside, we'd have this to say to him:
What the hell are you thinking? When you say, "We'll see later if it was the best," that translates to, "my coach is a moron and he doesn't know what he's doing." You're 19. Shut the fuck up. Keep your head down. Show up on time. Play by the rules. These guys drafted you in the first round, gave you a nice contract and kept you from going back to Lewiston, Maine. MAINE! You should be thanking them, nodding your head a lot and saying, "Yessir" about 20 dozen times a day. Guys can earn a bad reputation at a young age in this league. Rember that. Now go home to your French-speaking girlfriend Chris Gift saw you with at a game recently and stop being a dumb teenager.
What's your take on the David Perron debate?
UPDATE: Taken from the comments, our friend LeNoceur wrote about this over at MYFO.
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This was my favorite quote of Davidson’s: “David’s like a young colt that’s frisky, running around.”
The thing about throwing his hands up in the air also struck me. I don’t care if you’re Keith Tkachuk or Brett Hull, if you’re not playing well, I think it would behoove the player not be given a free pass. “You’re going to throw your hands up to Keith Tkachuk?” Murray asks. Well, yeah, if he’s playing like shite I will.
Perron definetely needs to buckle down and focus, but the Blues need to understand that if they’re going to build a team around youth, it’s not exactly the same as coaching a bunch of veterans, in my limited knowledge of coaching opinion.
Also, Chris Pronger used to party frequently on the Landing when he was a youngster. Allegedly. He seems to have turned out ok.
by Guinea Pig on Feb 28, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a) rookies make mistakes
b) rookies learn from mistakes or don’t have a junior NHL season
c) not playing perron does not advance his learning.
d) ultimately perron possibly should have played in juniors, eh? admit a mistake if that is the case.
e) correct him IN GAME. sit him after any shift he blows a coverage and have someone assigned to explain the error in coverage.
f) nobody learns anything while fustrated. blues need to unfustrate perron first, do they not?
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 28, 2008 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
p.s. i said this somewhere, not sure where.
easiest thing to do. create the david perron practice checklist. if perron accomplished his practice goals (as set by murray and evualuated by the coaching staff) david WILL play. period. if he falls short of practice goals, discuss where, how, why (i.e. teach!)
get a young buck wanting to play and fustrated? get out the carrot!
during scrimage david perron will
example
a) have a solid open ice hit
b) block a shot
c) prevent 3 passes.
d) score
he will perform skating drills with an xx:xx time
or whatever. damn murray is supposed to be a head coach and he got 3 helpers and pleau and davison!!
why am i fixing this?!?
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 28, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heavy discipline at all times. If he screws up, have him de-pube Rucinski’s jock.
by Answer Man on Feb 28, 2008 4:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the answer man thinks there are pubs in rucinski’s jock? since when?
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 28, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
[Crap, my post seems to have disappeared. Now, what did I say?…]
Quote 1: "David’s like a young colt that’s frisky, running around."
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE!
I’ve had enough of “grinder” shifts where I see guys working hard and cycling the puck for 20 seconds just to lose it and have to scramble back to play D. I’ve also had enough of guys sort of just parked, hoping the puck comes to them.
Quote 2: “You don’t just learn by playing games.”
You learn more by WATCHING them?
Quote 3: “I don’t think he wants me to be a bad player in five years.”
No, but neither of you will be with the Blues at that time either.
by Mr. Particle on Feb 28, 2008 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My favorite description about Perron was from Pang during the Phoenix game the other night, where he said something like “…he’s a former midget with a loopy stick and gorgeous hands.”
I cant argue with Murray’s ‘earn your play’ kind of strategy but the simple fact is that he has benched Perrron WAY to much.
Maybe he refuses to wear his baseball cap straight?
by Scot C on Feb 28, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MAINE!!!
Is that like being unemployed in Greenland. GREENLAND!!!
I’d buy what JD and Murray are selling. The kid needs to learn. But I didn’t think JR’s article wasn’t insulting to the kid — unlike Strickland. Have you guys seen the post on the P-D boards about Strickland’s comment on 1380? What a mess.
by Pagan on Feb 28, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nothing else needs to be said. Trauma prety much nailed it right on the head.
by Dooks on Feb 28, 2008 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
According to the team, JD has input on dressing decisions. For what it’s worth, force-feeding humility and work ethic never works. As for humility, a really good, clean open-ice monster hit will do that. Work ethic, the team needs to stand up and get it through this kid’s head that he’s NOT all that, and that we don’t accept half-assed around here.
Guinea Pig: The thing about throwing your hands up in the air is disrespect for your teammates. Even if he’s playing like shit, you don’t disrespect your teammate like that on the ice. It’s stuff like that that gets you the label “locker room cancer.”
by The Goalie Guy on Feb 29, 2008 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Everything I have to say, I say right here:
http://meltyourfaceoff.net/2008/02/29/whos-gonna-ride-your-wild-horses/
But basically, at this point in the season, there is no reason to continue suiting up Rucinsky (or even Hinote, really). They aren’t going to be part of this team next year or in two years. Perron will.
by LeNoceur on Feb 29, 2008 9:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
my increasing concern is this. the blues are pretty much near the budget already for next season imho. if they try to add via the prospects, you got perron, STILL not ready for 20 minutes a night, then add two more offensive minded rookies, one a euro. Is murray going to play games with all those guys? he going to have a pick one, where they get one of the three suited every game? maybe none? if they can not figure out how to keep perron unfustrated, and learning/advancing, how do they plan to do it next season when murray will literally have no other option than playing rookies who will make mistakes and fail at d coverages several times?
maybe i’m at the point were i want jd/murray/bennett/wamsley/pleau trained even more than perron.
and when i read that jd has significant input in who dresses, i was not all that happy about that :)
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 29, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Trauma, why do you say that the Blues are close to their budget? Rucinsky’s $3 million will be off the books as will Salvador’s $1.5 million and Cajanek’s $2 million.
Granted, Backes will probably get a small raise and Boyes will probably get a larger one. But I think they’ll have some wiggle room.
They might make one or two moves via free agency, but they’ll be bringing up some younger guys too. It’ll balance out.
by Brad Lee on Feb 29, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we raised jackman, we got kt with a raise, we got the kids coming in, and we are already a payroll heavy club. were do you think the blues should be in reguards to payroll?. it isnt about cap anymore since the american dollar’s fall will raise the nhl cap level, it is how much will the blues spend? Mcdonald is our big f.a. signing even though we got him already, our d is still overpriced and i seriously believe the blues have to find an offensive treat in the f.a. market from the blue line which will gut whatever funding they have for free agents. and BOYES is due a huge raise.
8 million we got from those and backman are gone in a wink to kt, boyes, other raises, and a d-man.
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 29, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok kt +1 mill. lee +1 mill brewer +1 mill, jack 1.4 mill, legace .8 mill,
boyes unknown but big jay m, ears, woy, backes, unknown likely moderate or gone (ears)
macdonald is addition vs the doug weight situation.
some of the rivermen get raises, a few get cuts, probably overall a slight raise but probably a few 2 way contracts get the blues paying more.
that is MORE money than we are saving with the dumps of martin, salvy, backman.
that is why i am thinking bad bad things come f.a. time.
this team’s top lines are short players yet more expensive!
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 29, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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