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Poor, Poor Hannu

By Brad Lee

The St. Louis Blues' 3-2 loss at the Ottawa Senators Thursday night was just another disappointing game in a string of disappointing games. But it was a step in the right direction for at least one Blues player.

Hannu Toivonen allowed three goals on 26 shots. Even though he earned the loss, it was a better performance than four of his last five games:


  • March 14 at San Jose: 4 goals on 27 shots

  • March 10 at Calgary: 3 goals on 18 shots

  • Feb. 9 at Dallas: 4 goals on 15 shots

  • Jan. 11 at Columbus: 6 goals on 37 shots


It all came apart for Ears Dec. 9 at Colorado. That was the Sunday night game where Toivonen allowed five goals on 15 shots -- all in the second period. He was replaced by rookie Marek Schwarz until the Blues scored two goals early in the third period to make the score 6-4. Toivonen came back out...and allowed three more goals for a total of eight. And then he was pulled...for the second time in the game. Similar to accidentally walking in on one of your parents' naked wrestling sessions, the Colorado game may have scarred Hannu for life.

To that point in the season, Toivonen was 5-3-0 and hadn't allowed more than three goals in a game. Including the Colorado debacle, he's 0-6-3. The biggest change has been in Toivonen's visible confidence. He just doesn't look comfortable making even the most routine of saves. As the commenters in the live blog/open thread Thursday night noted, he's looking better, more steady -- probably as steady as a young European rookie playing behind the third worst team in the NHL can look.

What's really amazing is the number of photos we've seen with Toivonen getting beaten like a rented mule.

Against Edmonton:
That looks painful.

Against Calgary:
Can you please move your celebration?

Against Edmonton (again):
Don't bother me, I'm resting.

Against Ottawa:
Nice five hole, buddy.

Against San Jose:
Now how did that get behind me?

Against Ottawa (again):
I knew I should have fixed that hole in my glove.

There might be more photos on the Internets of Hannu allowing goals in every way you can imagine compared with any other backup goaltender in the NHL. And he's only played seven times since Jan. 1. Path. Et. Ic.

We are completely on board with the idea of Toivonen starting the majority of games the rest of the way (there's only eight left, THANK GOD). As Andy Murray said Thursday, the team has to know what they have with him. Even if Ears pulls it together and plays well, I can't imagine there's any chance Toivonen will be the backup next season.

What do you think of Hannu Toivonen and his future with the Blues?

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I personally don’t see why the Blues don’t bring Toivu back for next season if he pulls his shit together for the remainder of this one. Is he a RFA after this season? What are the Blues options, just hoping someone else signs him and getting compensated or trying to trade him? Someone enlighten me.

by Manbones on Mar 21, 2008 3:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I too think Ears deserves another look. His confidence has apparently been shot to hell, but if he can pull it together here in the end, I see no reason to just dump him. He’s still very young. Most goalies doesn’t “get into their own” before they’re 25-27 or thereabouts.

by Marcus Pettersson on Mar 21, 2008 4:12 AM CDT reply actions  

this is a tough one. but after watching bishop’s first game i’m all for keeping hannu. he’s shaken. is he shaken as bad as ankiel was after he started imatating a freakin’ movie character? that’s the big question. maybe it’s wamsley? after all, his protege in columbus started playing better after he left comlumbus. but definitely the blues have played most of the season without much confidence in this kid since the colorado game. hell, how many future hall fame goal scorers with great wrist shots and snap shots were left wide open in the low slot that game?

all in all he’s got size, quickness and agility. so he has those tools. he does not have yet the mental tool. he has odd points of weaknesses and one of the more frustrating ones to me for big goalies is giving up the short side because they go down. personally i think bigger goalies should use their size more to their advantage and lessen the butterfly to different situations.

all of that said, sign him if you can to a cheap two-way three year contract. if that’s still possible then you might win out. if not bury him in alaska. the same goes for merek. if for the second year in the row the kid’s not going to play the majority of the games send him down another level and let him get regualr starting goaltending time.

bishop, well i saw his first start so maybe that doesn’t count so much, i mean the kid had to be nervous as hell.

by chris d. on Mar 21, 2008 5:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t see any reason to just dump Ears. There’s no way he’ll ask for big money on his next contract, so the Blues should be able to get him back on the cheap.

Chris makes an interesting point about Wamsley. It’s something to think about, anyway…

B.

by GT Prospect Department on Mar 21, 2008 6:19 AM CDT reply actions  

My only comment is about his first name. Hannu is it? That just seems like something you’d name your pet female dolphin. Start him the rest of the year? Sure, why not. Sit him on the bench the rest of the year? That too is OK with me.

by Answer Man on Mar 21, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/7931058/Blues-will-need-to-rebuild-in-off-season

pretty much stuff everyone knows but…

Legace is signed through next season, but Toivonen is a restricted free agent and management has to decide if they should gamble on the latter, find a more suitable backup or perhaps shop for a more capable starter

um. we are thinking about replacing a signed legace with someone better?!? like…….. um who would be avaialbale hasek?!?

by Childhood Trauma on Mar 21, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

side note, im not sure about the ears love. he has positional problems, 5 hold problems (mostly due to crappy stick work) glove hand problems, and now confidence problem. that is a lot to resign just o hope gets fixed.

by Childhood Trauma on Mar 21, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Please tell me more about Bish’s pro debut!

The risk is if Manny gets hurt for any significant length of time in 08-09.
The limitation is the fact that my expectations for next year mirror those I brought into this year — hover near the 8th playoff spot and maybe squeak in and maybe steal a round.

Let’s be frank – we aren’t hoisting next year.

I’m comfy with whatever the braintrust decides — keep/jettison Hannu, extend Manny, use the Schwartz as a backup – has he really washed-out? – even Becks-Tsu. If I were to decide, I’d make a qualifying offer to HT.

by brian on Mar 21, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I loved the “Don’t bother me, I’m resting” caption.

Poor Ears.

by Guinea Pig on Mar 21, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

i’ll reserve judgement on toivonen’s abilities in game until we put an nhl caliber team on the ice in front of him. Only for the fact that manny has played like a vezina candiate for most of the season did we even look like a borderline playoff team. It’s not hannu’s fault this team and its coach are terrible. I can tell you from my limited time watching schwarz, that I am much more comfortable with hannu’s talent level in net than schwarz’s.

by matt on Mar 21, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

it’s a good idea to go ahead and start Ears most of the remaining games if not all, and see if he can get his shit together. he did relatively well against Ottawa’s superoffense considering what he’s done (or lack thereof) against lesser skilled teams.
if he does relatively well, then keep him on for next year.
if he crumbles again, let him go. he would probably be better off going back to Finland and playing in a league there.

by Dooks on Mar 21, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Good God. Those pictures just tell me Hannu gets scored on more then Phyllis on “Backdoor Saturdays”. Yikes!

by Answer Man on Mar 21, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree, put Manny on the shelf for the rest of the season, maybe get a head start on that surgery that he may or may not have, and start Ears for the rest of the season. I’d like to see him start the next game for sure. He played pretty well over all, and it would be a good idea to see how he “bounces back” after a loss.

by Tim on Mar 21, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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