Vancouver Signs Ryan Johnson

By Brad Lee
According to our old friend Spector and now TSN, Ryan Johnson signed with the Canucks. The contract is believed to be $2.4 million over two years.
What this means is that if Mike Johnson does not return as well (he was on a one-year contract when an injury forced him to shut it down for the season), the Blues will be down to one Johnson. Noteworthy indeed. Ryan Johnson's career? Not so much.
Look, we appreciate effort as much as anybody. And Johnson gave effort leading all forwards in the league with 105 blocked shots last season. He's a pretty good penalty killer. He can skate really fast. He had an easier time scoring on his prom night than most nights for the Blues.
In 547 career games, RJ has 34 goals and 68 assists. He's a career minus-82 with only one season on the positive side of the ledger. The guy will never be an offensive player and there's a limit to what those guys should make. Since he's the white Jamal Mayers, it's kind of fitting neither will be back next year. It was pretty obvious that the Blues were prepared to move on without Johnson and give his money and ice time to someone else.
No word on whether or not the Canucks who now have former Blue Scott Melanby are looking to sign Matt Walker. They might as well. They've tried to sign ever other Blues player they can. Is that because they've been so successful while they've been here?
But no matter what you think of RJ, we will never, ever, ever understand the rumor that has floated around the Interwebs that he dumped ESPN's Erin Andrews when she was an NHL correspondent in Florida. What were you thinking, man??!!

So what do you think of Ryan Johnson leaving for Vancouver? Frequent commenter Chris D is probabaly doing cartwheels wherever he may be.
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I like RJ just fine, but we’re better served with another getting his minutes.
It’s almost as if you could send him out with a shovel and he’d score the same # of points.
by brian on Jul 1, 2008 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad to see him go, but it is a necessary move if our kids are going to get the minutes and $$$ to play in the NHL. We have a glut of muckers and grinders, and sad to say, they are a dime a dozen. And we should know, after all, because we DID have a dozen of them.
that being said, he might make a good assistant coach someday, teaching effort and grit to youngsters in the organ-I-zation.
I remember when he missed some time, due to fears that he had the same heart defect that knocked his bro out of the league (nashville, methinks). Since that time, he’s demonstrated that his HEART was the least of his problems.
Good luck, Ryan, and all the best (except when you play the ’Note)….
by Tim on Jul 1, 2008 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am indeed tremendously happy. I was blogging over on hockeybuzz as they too are familiar with my distaste for the negative kid who could neither score nor stop the scoring. I will say this about RJ—he has tremendous heart. But that and speed skating should get you on a good beer league team not make you a millionaire.
It’s unexplainable how a guy could dump her. Then again, besides good looking no telling what she’s like come pillow talk time.
Side note: if you are Vancouver and you have the best goalie in the league and the biggest problem you have had is scoring; does it make sense to sign a guy who has never broken the seven goal plateu?
Also did they relly think the Blues wouldn’t match that pithy offer when if anything they most likely could later trade Backes for more than a second round pick?
Now Murray has to play the young talent. We all have to love this. Since Vancouver likes our team so much maybe they’d like Brewer?
by chris d. on Jul 2, 2008 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now McKee can go back to being the shot-block king, right?
by Mr. Particle on Jul 2, 2008 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe they can do wha tthey did a few years ago when they were really screwing the team and tke our coach!
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 2, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Detroit
Hossa to the Wings
1 year 7.4 mil
by Poor College Student on Jul 2, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hossa to the Wings
1 year 7.4 mil
THIS is exactly why I hate Detroit. The rich keep getting richer. They’re the NY Yankees of hockey. I have no respect for a team that goes out and buys talent on this scale every year. I know they also draft well and do a good job developing talent, but them throwing money around like this just pisses me off.
Here’s to hoping the Wings spontaneously combust.
by Pagan on Jul 2, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Hossa
The Fruit Euro line.
by Gift on Jul 2, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pagan (and all), if the Blues were doing what Detroit is doing (spending tons but getting results), would you be complaining? Would you find another team to follow?
by Mr. Particle on Jul 2, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Blues did used to overspend and were quite aggressive for a while going after free agents like Stevens and Shanahan. The hockey was fun to watch.
BUT
Fans always seem to overlook predatory practices when it’s their home team doing it. I’m as guilty as anyone.
The fatc remains that the NHL system is broken and in a way that lets the rich teams reap the rewards. It’s just not healthy for the league as a whole.
by Pagan on Jul 2, 2008 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The way things are shaping up, we could revamp the All-Star game as the Central Division vs. the rest of the league.
by Tim on Jul 2, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we did it. we didnt complain. it didn’t work. people got fired. owners got fired a few times.
people telling me detroit bought the cup don’t convnce me, detroit is one of hte best run franchises in all of sports, the rangers can’t buy a cup!! if you have money to spend, it makes the journey from playoff regular to cup contender very short, but that is all it does.
in the last 10 cup season, what teams there were not (at the time at least) greatly run franchises have won it? the two on the list you MIGHT mention were low payroll teams :)
so be great, or be low and you win :)
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 2, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But how the hell do they afford these guys year after year? Also, read on TSN – Hossa is now paid more than Nikki and they swore that wouldn’t happen. 8 times a year, – fuckin’ awesome………
Hope some of the kids figure out how to dive in front of pucks!!! :D
by Diana on Jul 2, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure wings are like 8th in cap, losts of the 1-7 suck and suck because they won or came close then their money exploded and their team’s dissapeared. maybe detroit, and for a while the avs and stars and devils, are just good and not giving ryan johnson and mike eastwood and jamal mayers millions every year and instead of those three they get one great 5 million dollar guy?
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 2, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Back to RJ……shot-blocking is only good if you regain the puck or at least deflect it into the neutral zone. All RJ ever did was keep teeing it up for the oppositin D until they finally scored. And, if by some miracle, the puck got stuck to the tape on his stick, and he carried it into the attack zone, it was time to go get a beer because EVERYBODY knew what the result would be. The White Jamal Mayer? Man, that cat made Jammer look like Gretz. See you RJ, there are scads of AHL’ers that can do what you do (better) for hairnet wages.
by StLooFrenchy on Jul 2, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh by the by how did they do it?
great stars teams
modano, langenbrunner were drafted
hull- signed
zubov- solid trade
sydor- steal of a trade
belfour- f.a.
avs 01 team
sakic draft, forsberg, draft, hejduk, draft, skula draft
bourgque real trade(say what you will, as a potential rental, the avs parted with a solid piece of goodies)
roy- gift
i suppose i could look at the wings, but the tyoiung “ddraft” would get old. same with nj
so i guess you draft extremely well. trade, get a little luck, MAYBE sign someone.
blues kinda been doing that ass backwards until, PERHAPS, this owner.
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trauma, that post made about as much sense as an REM song.
by Pagan on Jul 2, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the good stars and avs teams both drafted over half their elite players, they both made a valid trade, and on those two teams they both also got a lopsided trade. stars added some unwanted and unloved free agents as well (crazy eddie and the obviously washed up hull). detroit and the devils, although not expanded on, DRAFTED EVEN BETTER.
so, you DRAFT, then you trade well, then you add a free agent or two.
the blues are doing the exact opposite in teh exact opposite order.
simple yes? you want a great, playoff final bound team over a period of 5 years or so. DRAFT. hell having a studly 1st overall helps, but those 2nd round, 7th round, 5 rounds count too.
someone thinks the cap is going to make drafting less important? who? strickland?
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 2, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trauma, Thank you for reposting with that explaination. I understand you better now.
I still don’t see how the Blues are doing it in the opposite order. They’re doing the draft part now. We just haven’t gotten to the other two parts yet. It’s still early in the rebuild.
And it’s unfair to compare the AVs Cup team to anybody. They (the Nordiques) were the beneficiary of what was arguably the most lopsided trade in history.
by Pagan on Jul 2, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the build through the draft thing, but how is the timing just perfect that they can re-sign say a Zetterberg or any of their younger stars to a long term deal tying up some decent change and still manage to massage a few more dollars out to make a splash signing or swing a bitchin’ deal?
Do we need Charles Grodin to come in and look at our books like in the movie Dave and figure out how to make our dollar spent a better dollar?
(other than the obvious signings of Capt Roboto & Fragile Jay)
by Diana on Jul 2, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh Goody!!!- we’ll get to see Sister Christian 8 times a year – Rangers sent him to the BJ’s…..
The Rangers sent Fedor Tyutin and Christian Backman to Columbus in exchange for Nikolai Zherdev and Dan Fritsche.
by Diana on Jul 2, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5:22pm CDT : Per tsn.ca —
BREAKING NEWS:
Sources tell TSN Doug Weight has signed a one-year deal with the New York Islanders. Details to follow.
So much for that BS 60-80 chance he would return to STL!
/like it was any mystery that there was actually a 0% chance
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Diana Says: July 2nd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Oh Goody!!!- we’ll get to see Sister Christian 8 times a year – Rangers sent him to the BJ’s…..
At least now we can boo him with a clear conscience!
/although we may want to cheer him if he plays as badly for them as he did for us
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Dougie going to the Isle has an awful lot to do with his best friend Billy G!!! Good for him – hope he has a good year, they had fun together just a couple years back.
Milo – true quandry there – boo or cheer? Not sure, but definitely huge laughter when he does his patented “trip over the blue line” trick that happens at least once a game! ;)
by Diana on Jul 2, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE @ 5:27pm CDT per tsn.ca
New York Islanders sign UFA forward Doug Weight (1-year, $1.75 million).
Diana: I think I’ll treat it like the play stoppage “free beer vs. taxes jumbotron thingy” = “Yeah … Boo … Laugh … Boo … Cheer-laugh … Boo .. etc.”
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a) not all that unfair. it was a lopsided trade, but the avs, looking at the trade in a wideangle view, earned that deal by having that pick in a draft year with a “true number 1” who wasnt :). yea it was lopside though, i said it was, stars zubov and sydor d-team, one a solid trade, one was lopsided.
blues have never proven they can come out on the good end of a lopsided trade yet! we love boyes, but if wideman does what he did AND boyes does what he did, it is not lopsided :)
b) i was being a bit more historic, especially considering some recent posting suggesting you DON’T draft a top two way d-man 4th overall. the historic blues drafted poorly almost universally (one home-run draft class in what? 32 years), attracted second tier free agents, over paid for rentals they then signed et al.
c) half the IMPORTANT players on those four recent mini dynasties were drafted and developed by the cup wnning team, not half the 4th lners, not half the 2 way contract guys, not half the penalty killing specialists. POTENTIALLY the blues actually have 1, maybe 2, cup calibre elite young-uns. when we get to the trade part of the equation and the free agent part, the blues still have a lot of historical failure they need to step around. assuming this time they figure out when they are AT the point ot do the dealing. they were wrong in the past.
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 2, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, Milo, how do you get the italics in your posts?
B.
by Brian Weidler on Jul 2, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CT wrote:
“half the IMPORTANT players on those four recent mini dynasties were drafted and developed by the cup wnning team, not half the 4th lners, not half the 2 way contract guys, not half the penalty killing specialists.”
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“4th liners/2 way contract guys/penalty killing specialists” drafted by Detroit:
Flipulla, Meech, Quincey, Franzen, Kopecky, Drake (in 1989), Kronwall.
“4th liners/2 way contract guys/penalty killing specialists” signed as FA’s by Detroit from college/juniors:
Ellis, Lebda
That looks like at LEAST half of their “4th liners, 2 way conract guys, and penalty killing specialists” to me, CT…
CT wrote:
“POTENTIALLY the blues actually have 1, maybe 2, cup calibre elite young-uns.”
===
1. Johnson, Perron, Oshie, Berglund, Pietrangelo are all POTENTIALLY “cup calibre elite yoiung-uns.”
2. And of course, simply EVERYONE just KNEW that seventh-round draft picks like Zetterberg and Datsyuk were going to turn into big stars.
B.
by Brian Weidler on Jul 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian:
text goes here , but eliminate the “x” in each of those and it will look like this:
text goes here
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t work lemmie try that again:
all on one line to open the italics. When done, use this all on one line to close the italics:
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Foiled again.
Once more:
all on one line to open the italics. When done, close the italics with:
all on one line.
This also works with other html commands like b (instead of i) for bold.
Those are the only two html codes I have tried here as I am unsure how many the chat program will support
test
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That didn’t work either. Last try:
,i.
(but use the other symbols on those keys, except i, all on one line to open the italics.)
When done, close the italics with:
,?i.
(but use the other symbols on those keys, except i, all on one line)
all on one line.
This also works with some other html commands like b (instead of i) for bold.
, =
? = /
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
period = greater than symbol
comma = less than symbol
question mark = /
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And now back to hockey:
Fuck Detroit and Hossa
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not only did Vancouver sign RJ, but they also re-signed Sanford. terms of the deal were not disclosed but Sandman says "It’s for one year and comes with a little bit of a raise. Obviously I’m really happy we came to an agreement and reached a deal. I’m pretty excited to get back to Vancouver."
as for the Islanders, not only did they sign their captain’s best friend and in turn could give him a more productive year next season, but they finally got a guy actually WORTHY of wearing the ‘C’.
also, with all the moves this offseason looks like Columbus (landed Huselius as well just tonight) may be guaranteeing their first playoff birth next spring
and as a final note, I no longer have respect for Hossa. that angers me that someone would actually sign for LESS just to play for Detoilet.
by Dooks on Jul 2, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian:
No problem. Glad you could sort through all of the attempt and get to the solution.
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the big command won’t work, so i’m assuming the little command won’t either:
test
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wait I found it, Sanford signed for 1 year, $650,000
by Dooks on Jul 2, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we’ll get to see Cam and/or DJ beat Avery’s ass several times a year when Dallas rolls into the Drinkscotch.
by Milo on Jul 2, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t we start the new schedule next season, with fewer divisional games? ’tis a shame…
by Tim on Jul 2, 2008 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
umm saying half a teams important playes were drafted does NOT mean half or more than their less improtatnt players were also drated. swing and a miss on that one brian
and i’ve ssen the blues too long and read too many blues gloing reports about jim montgomery and maxime betts, and keith osbourne and Alexei Shkotov wo think much about blues picks not performing exceptionally at the nhl levl. that the blues drafted two cup pieces in the recent years IS a glowing endorsment and something they have never done in their history. I went out of my way to mention that not only do those top picks need to work (like oh modano) but those 5th 3rds and 7th do. so try and keep up :)
I’d bet, and not even bat an eye, that 3 of your 5 never win a cup.
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does not mean that half their other players were NOT also drafted. sorry about that.
but anywya if half their studs were drafted, and half their role players were drafted and a few drafties were traded, pretty much means nothing but draft well and develope..
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to correct something here. Hossa is not making more than Lidstrom. He’s making about .5 million less.
by Nort on Jul 3, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nhlscap.com has them capping and making the exact same money this season. not that they are difinitive or anything
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trauma, I don’t want to get into a love-fest for Jarmo, but it appears he has been drafting a lot higher quailty players than the ones you mentioned. I’m encouraged by what little we have seen so far of guys like Erik Johnson and Perron.
by Pagan on Jul 3, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CT,
I guess we’ll see about only two of Perron, Berglund, Oshie, Johnson and Pietrangelo ever winning a Cup.
;-)
CT wrote:
and i’ve ssen the blues too long and read too many blues gloing reports about jim montgomery and maxime betts, and keith osbourne and Alexei Shkotov wo think much about blues picks not performing exceptionally at the nhl levl. that the blues drafted two cup pieces in the recent years IS a glowing endorsment and something they have never done in their history. I went out of my way to mention that not only do those top picks need to work (like oh modano) but those 5th 3rds and 7th do.
I’ve been following the Blues for at least as long as you have, [i]mein freund, and while I do recall somewhat “gloing” reports ion Montgomery, Bets, Osborne and Shkotov, I don’t recall any of those guys being described in the same vein as Oshie or Berglund or Perron or Johnson or Pietrangelo, nor do i recall hearing Montgomery, Bets, Shkotov and Osborne being talked about around the league as top prospects the way the current Fab Five have been.
Perron and Johnsion acquitted themselves very nicely at the NHL last year, and there’s no reason to believe that Oshie, Berglund and (eventually) Pietrangelo won’t do the same, while DP and EJ continue to grow into big-time players.
Then there’s another wave of Eller, Junland (a late pick), Cole, Lemtyugov (a late pick), Pola’k (a late pick), Scwarz, Bishop and Porter (a free agent) on the near horizon, and behind that is another wave of McRae, Allen, and others.
It’s not just the first-rounders who have moved the Blues’ organization to the forefront of prospect rankings, CT…
…so try to keep up. ;-)
B.
by Brian Weidler on Jul 3, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the knock on Reasoner in the past has been that he was too often uninvolved in the play, thus far Reasoner has done all he can to dispell that. Reasoner has done a good job on defensive play and he has initiated play on offence rather than trying to simply read and react. His anticipation and instinct for offence are top-notch, just a shade below Pierre Turgeon’s.
He posesses a nasty wrist shot and has a quick release on it. Reasoner’s game can get better and it will, he needs only experience to become a top NHL center.
Brent Johnson will retain his title as Blues goalie of the future
On defence the name was Jan Horacek. Horacek was simply great, perhaps better at defence than Reasoner was at center. Horacek will probably return to major junior or the Czech league, but he is a top-four defenceman in the making.
Getting him [Shkotov- 3rdrated blues stud muffin at the time] back to North America should be a big priority for a team in need of a talent infusion.
Andrei Podkonicky had a great Memorial Cup final with Portland, leading the tournament in scoring. Of course, Podkonicky’s linemate was the Ottawa Senator prospect Marian Hossa, a blue-chipper who might be the best young prospect in hockey, depending on his return from major knee surgery. Podkonicky is only 19, meaning he can go back to Portland, but the Blues are talking as if he might begin at Worcester. Podkonicky is one of many young, highly-skilled centers in the Blues system. Finally, somewhat to my surprise,
if betts and osbourne were more recent, i’d dig out glowing piles of rubish posted at national site. I’d dig up my jason marshal greatnest hockey card future blues all star if it was worth my effort to find the card. hockey cards are national, are they not.
ah yes hockey card collectors have quitre a run of blues rookie cards, with GLOWING reports on the back and while marshal at least played some nhl as a very usable defensive player, the blues gave up on him immediately (as they did on ronning and brind amoure)
they all read as well as oshie and perron (who still doesnt play nhl level d yet) and johnson do, as i have said
a) we got a few now, and we havent had any in the past
and
b) when they play pro in north america and produce I’ll start caring about the validity of their rankings.
and
c) I have said for 5 years the blues drafting has been constantly improving, so you may be preaching to the choir
d) and i STILL bet the second wave of yours (8 players total) has less than half win a cup, and has less than 2 (i.e. ONE) who wins a cup as a top player on the team.
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that hockey cards have highly positive comments on them. What do you expect them to say? “frequently takes penalties to satisfy his chronic masterbation issues”???
by Tim on Jul 3, 2008 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that is what the back of jeffery ambrosia’s card said!!
actually the point is//was that marshall’s rookie card was 3 years before he played, 5 years before he was a regualr :). plus several of the rookie cards for the bliues were of people WHO NEVER PLAYED. blues were rather unique in that, even during the rookie card craze, rick corriveau, deny felsner (ok 18 games) had rookie cards in three different seasons! m betts and his 6 games got every card set to rookie him
bob lachance derek bekar adn jon zukinsky have INSERT CARDS!! collect them all.
i think boib lachance’s back of the card might mention that his hobby is gardening, derek bekar likes old movies about pre war germany, and jon zukinsky says he was allways the last one in his kindergarden class to get his report card!
siiiigh
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim:
Sounds like a great set of cards!
Are you looking for investment partners / creative team members?
/don’t eat the gum.
by Milo on Jul 3, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hull signs avery. much lovemaking expressed in press release.
http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=367613&page=NewsPage&service=page
i’d do quotes but it is pretty much the same as this, so listen to this instead:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2rvdv_brett-hull-on-snl_sport
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my financial backing is handled by my biz partner, Lenny Dykstra. /reads too much deadspin
by Tim on Jul 3, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nuttin on NHL.com about Walker, but Satan is now on the same team as Hockey Jesus… how does that work??
by Tim on Jul 3, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand that being cynical and negative is the hip, cool, and trendy thing to do.
As the other poster said, I’m shocked — shocked!!! — to find that various national publications and websites once posted positive reports about guys that the Blues drafted over ten years ago.
I’ll bet those same sites posted positive reports about the Devils’ prospects, and the Red Wings’ prospects, and the Colorado prospects, and everyone-freakin’-else’s prospects, too.
You want to bring up Marty Reasoner and the 1996 Draft, twelve friggin’ years ago?
OK, then do you think maybe some of the same publications/sites you disparage here might once have had good things to say about, oh, the great Jesse Wallin (Detroit’s first-round that same year), or Aren Miller, who was drafted by the Wings 142 spots ahead of Andrej Podkonicky in 1996, and never played Minute One in the NHL?’
At least Podkonicky got eight NHL games in his career…
I’ll bet these same pundits were kissing Pierre Lacroix’s Colorado ass in 1996 for astutely drafting the legendary Peter Ratchuk in the first round, and slobbering all over Lou Lamoriello’s knob for taking Hall-of-Famer Lance Ward four spots ahead of Reasoner that year.
Prospects get talked up every year, CT. A lot of other teams have drafted stiffs, so quit pretending like the Blues (and Larry Pleau, whom I know you want to blame for everything that ever went wrong with the Blues) are the only team in the league to have ever had a guy get hyped in his draft year (or the first year or two thereafter) only to see him end up on the fourth line in Fresno or Bakersfield.
What are they supposed to say?
“Well, Don, this guy sucks like Jenna Jameson at an audition, and will never even get to sniff old coffee grounds in the NHL, never mind ever having a cup of coffee with any self-respecting franchise.”
You want to be Mr. Devil’s Advocate, and act like the Blues still haven’t got diddly-squat in their system, you go right ahead. But don’t expect to not be called out on it.
B.
by Brian Weidler on Jul 3, 2008 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you finally got it! by george you got it! prospects are talked up a lot!
only took 17 posts with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to do it!
by the by, it was YOU WHO CLAIMED THE BLUES WERE NOT TALKED UP NATIONALLY. all i did was prove it and the color of your stripes change.
YOWZA!
anyway since you now figured out the the blues picks have been glowingly reported on for decades, yet they all sucked, I am taking a bit more of a missourian approach to their true nhl talent. they gotta show me! something
but thankfully you got out your straw doll their brian, i don’t think, now have i ever said, now can you support the claim that i want to suggest larry pleau is the great evil on this team.
so since you listen not and talk to yourself using my name..
like ryna secrest, I’m Out!
(if only someblues youthful talent will out!!!)
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uh oh … Why are mommy and daddy fighting? LOL
Every prospect is talked up. Every prospect has something to prove. I don’t think anyone questions that. However, I believe that our current crop of young’ns actually ARE genuine talents. I’d even be so bold as to say (without actually using bold type, BTW) that the Blues have gotten better at separating the wheat from the chaff in scouting.
In other words:
I admit it’s getting better
A little better all the time
by Tim on Jul 3, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“but thankfully you got out your straw doll their brian, i don’t think, now have i ever said, now can you support the claim that i want to suggest larry pleau is the great evil on this team.”
I don’t know who you think you’re trying to fool here, CT, but you never miss a chance to disparage Pleau, and you know it.
That’s a red herring on your part, anyway; a neat little deflection away from the main point of the discussion by hammering on one line from a post of several paragraphs.
Also, speaking of “straw men,” if you’re going to try (and fail) to refute a point I make, at least try to refute what I actually say.
I didn’t say that “our prospects are not talked up nationally,” either now or in the past.
I said that the Blues’ prospects in the past were not regarded as highly by national sources — THN, TSN.ca, Hockey’s Future, etc. — as they are today.
The color of my stripes hasn’t changed one bit.
“They gotta show me something! Anything!”
Like what, for example? What can Oshie and Berglund and Pietrangelo show you at the NHL level when they haven’t even had an opportunity to play there yet?
Some other guys had great careers in college and then bombed in the NHL, so you just assume that Oshie will do the same until he “shows” you otherwise.
Joe Vikingsson from Sweden was drafted high and didn’t amount to squat, so you just assume that Berglund will do the same until he “shows” you otherwise.
You haven’t been watching very closely if you can’t see the vast differences in skill level and potential impact — or recognize the difference in how they are regarded by impartial observers around the league — between Oshie and Berglund vs. Reasoner and Shkotov.
I’m sorry you see all this as some kind of personal attack, because it’s not.
There’s nothing at all wrong with wanting to see something - anything!! - from prospects before passing judgement on them. But what you’re doing is passing judgement without ever having seen what these guys can do at any level, since I don’t think you’ve been to many of Oshie’s games at UND or Berglund’s games in Sweden, nor did I see you at the Development Camp or Future Stars Game.
And you’re passing judgement on them — and management, and the franchise, by extension — because of what long-departed personnel people and scouts did with the draft picks they had. The one constant in the player development system, from the days of drafting Reasoners and Shkotovs to the present day, is Pleau.
One need not work for NASA to put two and two together here and take a pretty educated guess on who you feel is ultimately to “blame” for your preception that the Blues’ current crop of prospects is as substandard as those of a decade ago.
If that’s completely off-base and wrong, I apologize. But I don’t think it is, and I don’t think I’m the only one who thinks that.
by Brian Weidler on Jul 3, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Panthers signed the Hyphenator.
at least they’ll get adequate use out of him. he could be #2 or #3 easilly on that team
by Dooks on Jul 3, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
find one comment on this site, there are all here do some damn work yourself
the quotes i provided ARE FROM HOCKEYS FUTURE YOU FREAKING YAHOO!!!!!
damn it, i met you bloddy criteria on a site you just name you respected.
now shut the hell up and shocve it
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hockeysfuture called reasoner:
instinct for offence are top-notch, just a shade below Pierre Turgeon’s.
he needs only experience to become a top NHL center.
hockeys future called
Brent Johnson Blues goalie of the future
hockeys future called Jan Horacek. simply great, perhaps better at defence than Reasoner was at center.he is a top-four defenceman in the making.
hockeys future called shkotov a big priority for a team in need of a talent infusion.
Hockeysfuture called Andrei Podkonicky one of many young, highly-skilled centers in the Blues system.
not sure who the other many are since there bleeding weren’t any!
if you are talking about overall rankings, perhaps not. immaterial hockeysfuture jumped the blues 5 spots the week the blues SIGNED LARRY PLEAU.
five spots. and he hadn’t touched one of our boys in a personal way yet
you said:
I don’t recall any of those guys being described in the same vein as Oshie or Berglund or Perron or Johnson or Pietrangelo, nor do i recall hearing Montgomery, Bets, Shkotov and Osborne being talked about around the league as top prospects the way the current Fab Five have been.
thank god you have no memory as your fall back position, doesnt matter i found the quotes, i found the report and i found them on sites you respected, you simply do not recall, now can you recall now, any time i said pleau wasnt drafting well,
you will NOT find a single time i said it. not 1. not here, not in the dpl, not in life no were
perhaps you think your credetials mean something. i think they merely need to be renewed because if you think any prospect is a free ride to staerdom cos you said tso and can’t recall any other prospect that sux being similarly touted by the blues, by the local press and/or BY THE NATIONAL PRESS you need something
and whatever you need i can’t help you with it
do the blues have a team psyciatrist? maybe the icecats do
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 3, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were done?
You’re dancing all around the issue, arguing semantics, desperate to find some irrelevant quote on prospects from ten years ago to prove your point nd somehow discredit me, and absolutely will not see what you’re doing.
And you really need to focus, because nowhere did I say that you had accused Pleau of not drafting well. I said that you never missed a chance to disparage him, not necessarily for drafting, but just to run him down for the hell of it…
There have been no “IceCats” for three years, by the way.
I’m through arguing with you.
by Brian Weidler on Jul 3, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love a good dust-up, there are a couple of things to say here:
One, Arguing on the internet as like competing in the Special Olympics. yeah, you might win, but you’re still retarded.
Secondly, I love this comic:
by Tim on Jul 3, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“and he hadn’t touched one of our boys in a personal way yet”
There’s gotta be a Frost / Danton joke here, somewhere, but I can’t find it.
Smile, its a 3-day weekend, guys…..
by Tim on Jul 3, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“There’s gotta be a Frost / Danton joke here, somewhere, but I can’t find it.”
That in itself is a joke…
by JGB on Jul 4, 2008 1:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JGB Says: July 4th, 2008 at 12:50 am
"There’s gotta be a Frost / Danton joke here, somewhere, but I can’t find it."
That in itself is a joke…
As big of a joke as what’s-her-name’s pigtails in court.
by Milo on Jul 4, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea posting a picture of Erin Andrews would draw 72 comments.
by Brad Lee on Jul 7, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if you read her scouting report, you would have!
by Childhood Trauma on Jul 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever actually watched Ryan Johnson play? Jamal mayers has absolutely no offensive skill. Yet he played on the top line a few years ago amazingly. Meanwhile Johnson gets no ice time except for PK’s and grind lines and had some of the pretties goals on the team despite it. It’s like Craig Conroy all over again. The blues just let talent waste away on the bench while they play stempniak, rucinsky, and the other bums who don’t produce. And Johnson’s career minus is a product of playing with 2 of the worst franchises in the league at those times. You’d be hardpressed to find any player on FLA or STL who played in that timespan with a career in the plus column.
by Dave on Sep 30, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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