Trading Andy Mcdonald?!?

by Awfrick on Jan 15, 2009 1:17 PM CST

Some of you might have caught this today, but Puck Daddy ran a piece about deadline deals, and the players most likely to be dealt from basement teams to playoff contenders.

"Kevin Allen of USA Today offered his Top 10 rentals in the second half of the season, and here they are in order: Jay Bouwmeester, Keith Tkachuk, Mathieu Schneider, Andy McDonald, Nik Antropov, Doug Weight, Bill Guerin, Marian Gaborik, Maxim Afinogenov and Sean O'Donnell."

For the record, I am okay with trading off Walt for future considerations or younger players. He's been a great player who has given this club alot with his time here, but I think Tkachuk is expendable at this point in time. Andy Mcdonald, on the other hand, is FAR too valuable to this club to be dealt for draft picks. This guy scored 85 points in 2005 with the Ducks; if he stays healthy, he is a consistent goal scorer. Why would we trade a guy who still has potential and can be a force on the scoresheet?

I mean, I would love to get more solid prospects in St.Louis (my heart still races at the thought of Tavares in a Blues jersey), but at this time, we're knee deep in prospects. Even some prospects that may even be ready to play in the NHL next season (Piertrangelo, Junland). I have to wonder if Mcdonald would even be worth moving for another kid who will take a couple of years to hit his stride when we have a 30-35 a year goal scorer already in our locker room.

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There have been rumors that the Blues and McDonald have talked extension. Obviously nothing has happened on that front.

My take is that the Blues need to bring him back. The ankle injury obviously makes things more difficult. I don’t think they would get his full value in return even if he plays all of February.

Tkachuk seems like he will be a rental somewhere, but I kind of doubt the Boston thing happens.

by Brad Lee on Jan 15, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions

I would love, LOVE, to see Tkachuk and Manny along with maybe a pick (2nd or 3rd) head down to Florida for Vokoun (who is rumored to be on the block).

Tkachuk to the pens makes sense, maybe carolina, but the B’s, hell no. Why would they?

by bzgea2 on Jan 15, 2009 7:14 PM CST reply actions

like the thought of reuniting Vokoun and Mason huh?

if anyone goes to Boston from this team, I want Wideman back

by Dooks on Jan 15, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions

if we could trade mason instead of manny id be down with that but we’d need to find a back up, bishop isnt ready yet. im all for flat out blowing up the goaltending and starting over, besides vokoun’s contract is a little fat to carry both him and mason.

by bzgea2 on Jan 15, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions

Definitely would love to see Vokoun in St.Louis for sure. Totally agree with you.

by Awfrick on Jan 15, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

I dunno

So far we’re not doing so hot with Nashville goaltending’s sloppy seconds.

by Dan. on Jan 16, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions

Vokoun does not impress me...

…I’d rather throw some $$$ at Manny Fernandez when Boston cuts him loose… and they will.

Backstrom (MIN) is the guy I really want, but the Blues probably have two chances of signing him — slim and fat.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 16, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions

you mention Backstrom a lot. the only reason I doubt he’s going anywhere is because he was the guy to replace Fernandez. Fernandez was the GM’s favorite and was there from the start. took forever to get rid of him. this season, Josh Harding isn’t playing much, and he’s just as good as Backs. in my opinion, odds are much better of Minnesota retaining Backs if they had to choose between the two.

by Dooks on Jan 16, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions

they most definitely do have to choose between the two at seasons end, backstrom is an unrestricted free agent and harding is heading into restricted free agency. an offer sheet sent up to St. Paul could really force the Wild’s hand if the blues were into it, and they wouldnt even have to pay Harding all that much since Backstrom is going to get some real money.

by bzgea2 on Jan 17, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions

I like how you think, sir...

And I’d absolutely “settle” for Josh Harding as a long-term solution to the Blues’ goaltending issues.

Between Harding, Bishop, Holt and Berra (if he decides he’s had enough of getting jerked around in Switzerland), the organ-I-zation would be set for years in goal.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://www.tomorrowsblues.net

by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 17, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions

Bishop has been nothing but impressive every game he’s been up with the big club…you gotta wonder what he’s capable of. I definitely think he could be the starter in St.Louis if he keeps developing.

by Awfrick on Jan 17, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions

Did some looking at the history of what we got/gave for Doug Weight. If Tkachuk is dealt a second time, it'll be fun to do this with him.

In 2001, we sent Marty Reasoner, Jochen Hecht, and someone who has not been in my kitchen named Mike Riesen (12 total NHL games) for Doug Weight.

In 2006, we sent Weight to Carolina with Erkki Rajamaki (whoever that guy is) for Jesse Boulerice, Mike Zigomanis, the rights to Markus Kahnberg, Toronto’s 2006 4th round pick (Reto Berra), Chicago’s 2007 4th round pick (Cade Fairchild), and Carolina’s 2006 1st round pick which later ended up being swapped with New Jersey’s 2006 1st rounder somehow (Patrik Berglund).

That offseason, we re-signed him as a UFA.

In 2007, we sent Weight to Anaheim with Michael Birner and our 7th rounder, which we ended up getting back after it got sent to LA (Paul Karpowich, whoever that guy is) for Andy McDonald.

So, figure in who we sent for whom…carry the one. Here’s what it ended up looking like (People who had lengthy careers or the potential to do so, in my opinion, are bolded):

The Blues ended up giving:
Marty Reasoner, Jochen Hecht, Jan Horacek, Erkki Rajamaki, Michael Birner, and our 2007 7th rounder

And we got:
6ish years of Doug Weight, Andy McDonald, Patrik Berglund, Cade Fairchild, Jesse Boulerice, Mike Zigomanis, the rights to Markus Kahnberg, and Reto Berra (Berra seems worth bolding, but it seems like he won’t ever make it to North America from what I’ve read on HockeysFuture)

I’d say we made out like bandits. What do you think?

Fuck Detroit

by Poor College Student on Jan 15, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply actions

Not so sure about what they say on "Hockey's Future" about Berra...

…he’s been bounced all over Switzerland this year, and hasn’t gotten to play very much.

One of two things will happen:

A. He gets tired of being jerked around back home and comes to Development Camp, like he’s done every year since he was drafted, shines like he’s done every year since he was drafted, and sticks around to replace Marek Schwarz in the pecking order (since I fully expect Schwarz to be G-O-N-E next season).

B. He decides that the money isn’t so bad back there where the little Swiss misses are, and pulls a Konstantin Barulin on the Blues, staying home for his entire career.

I’m betting on the former. Just a feeling I have, based on the fact that the guy has taken it upon himself to come over here every year and show the Blues what he’s got and how he’s developed.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://www.tomorrowsblues.net

by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 16, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions