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Tuesdays With Hildy: How many people can fit into one doghouse?

We all have our opinions of Andy Murray.  Some think that he's hockey's version of Tony LaRussa - he overthinks every option, tweaking his lines on the fly in the middle of the game, and seemingly throwing people onto lines that don't even look remotely like a line we should ice.  Hey, though, why worry about who is on your line when it's going to be switched 30 seconds later?

Benching a player for poor play is acceptable.  Shoving someone into a doghouse for one bad game might be a poor idea.  Does Coach Murray cross the line?  Discuss in the comments.  Like I mentioned before, I'm kind of sick and am having problems focusing for longer than 23 seconds at a time - and my index finger's twitching from stress.  I promise that I'll make it up next week.

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Should players' be publicly called out for bad play and have their ice time cut?
Yes - they're big boys and highly paid professionals. They can cope with it and hopefully they get the point.
79 votes
No - it embarasses the player, who is probably already aware that they're slumping, which can make them play worse.
15 votes
Maybe - as long as we win I don't give a flip what AM does.
38 votes
No - public whining about poor performance isn't professional.
26 votes

158 votes | Poll has closed

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I said no

but I really would like another option since I only said no because I think the AM is too quick on the draw. One bad game you bitch at the guy in private. Then if a week or two later you aren’t seeing any improvement then you can try a little public humiliation.

Also while this hasn’t been an issue for us I think this go’s the same when it goes the other way with players complaining about a coach.

by Maverides on Oct 20, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

ditto

to all of the above, so I went with maybe

by luvhockey on Oct 20, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Just win, baby!"

Then again, the person I just quoted has done very little of that in recent years, but he had a point at one time or another.

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Oct 20, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

i think AM

is doing this so we dont get off to a slow start,
time to light a fire under their collective ass

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Oct 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

absolutely

if they cant handled being called out when you play like crap then dont play.. and hey it worked for berglund

as for the line switching.. i think that now that we found some lines that seemed to click i dont think its gonna happen as much.. and then once they go cold again. he’ll switch em and i dont have a problem with that.. you gotta find what works

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 20, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I said yes

for the mere fact that as a fan I want to know what’s happening inside the team and the rationale for decisions. If the coach won’t talk, then we get shut out.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a dick move. Because it is.

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by Brad Lee on Oct 20, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I said yes

because if you’re not going to be out there busting your ass, moving your feet and doing every damn thing possible to help your team win the game, then you DON’T deserve to play. Sit your ass down and let someone else who has the heart, desire & drive to play prove their point.

Getting to play up at this level is NOT a privledge, its EARNED.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If it IS broke, the only way to get it better is to change SOMETHING and in the case of professional hockey, that something is most often the players.

Put your big girl panties on and deal with it!

by BluesFanFromNE on Oct 20, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

it isnt the doghouse i mind per se

it is the lock andy puts on the door

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Oct 20, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I said yes...

Especially with a young nucleus; he’s got to keep reminding them that they’re here because of a reason, and if you want to play, play hard and smart. Otherwise, there are other guys who may not have as much talent, but they sure will work their asses off in a game often defined by intensity.

by The Goalie Guy on Oct 20, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I also said yes AND...

I won’t give a lengthy explanation, because that might take Hildy more than 23 seconds to read and thus too long to focus on it…. :P

Good luck with the index finger though… :)

"THE NETHERLANDS has its capital AMSTERDAM and at least ONE BLUES FAN"
Also nice: Subject of a story in GameTime (Feb 2009) and special GT reporter @ NHL Premiere Stockholm, Sweden (Oct 2009) YEY

by FanFromEurope on Oct 20, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey I read every wo-

Ooooh, something shiny!

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Oct 20, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Publicly called out: no. Ice time cut: yes

Back when I played soccer I couldn’t stand being yelled at or brought up in the half time huddle. I knew if I didn’t do something right and I didn’t need to be an example on top of it. And being humiliated in front of my own team would be demoralizing enough, I couldn’t imagine being publicly humiliated as well.

Though there were always those girls who preferred to be yelled at for some reason, but I’ve noticed that the more intelligent and/or sensitive players did not need to be chewed out, being talked to in private or not talked to at all worked best. So really it should be based on an individual basis.

"It’s a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you’re gonna die" ~ Dr. Horrible

by Carnie on Oct 20, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes and YES

They are pro athletes, they need to remember who is in charge and get their feet burned once they are put in the fire. This is the “bigs”.

North Co! North Co! North Co!

by Answer Man on Oct 20, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

and they are spoiled

which paradoxically means yes and yes as well. come on we have all seen teams quit on their coaches and hit him in the public area, before during and after their tenure as head coach. why would the players be above it.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Oct 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how many can fit in a doghouse,

but once at a party we squeezed 31 people into a bathroom! It was epic!

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Oct 20, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I think my biggest beef...

… with Murray is the apparent inconsistency in how the rules are applied. David Perron can have one bad shift, and get called out in the press and scratched after that; but despite Captain Horrible Giveaway making one mental mistake after another, he was never pushed into the media spotlight or even benched for a shift.

From my perspective, it seems like Murray has different expectations for “the kids” and “the vets”. When was the last time a player over the age of 28 was a healthy scratch? (And no, Derek Armstrong in Sweden doesn’t count.)

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 20, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

agree

ive caught myself asking that several times over the past year or 2.. i would like to see some consistency with things like that.. like right now i think colaiacovo should be benched.. he has played like crap.. but will that happen.. doubtful.. i understand that he holds the bar high for the kids but i would like some of the vets held with the same standards

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 20, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said Maybe.

I know we’re talking about two different sports here, but . . . hey, TLR pulls his shit on sometimes even HALF a whim, and he has a track record of getting his teams to the playoffs, time after time. Willem Dafoe Andy Murray has sent teams both old and young to the playoffs with his tactics . . . fuck it, switch it up, stand pat, say nothing, say everything, do whatever . . . just win the fucking game, I don’t care.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Oct 20, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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