How long will we stay in limbo?
by Go_Blues on Oct 21, 2009 5:09 PM CDT
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Over the last decade of blues hockey there have been 3 standerds of practice.
1 Drop the coach when ever you get a chance ( as you can tell i've been hurt before,why shitcago coach Q )
2 The revolving door in the goalie crease that never breaks down
3 If you don't dig the dump and chase you can geeeeettttt oooouuuuuttttt
If we continue to lose games like last nights. How long will it take JD to drop the hammer on Murray, the kid line and the fact of not having that true # 1 goaltender? Do the blues make trades for this year or keep building,but the older these guys get, and the more they are scouted through out the league the harder it will be to resign them. With all the accalades for the playoff push last year ( not the first for me but the most enjoyable ). And the expectations from the people who watched the team close out the season last year. What can or will the Blues do if we countinue down this very worn in path. I'm not putting this all on one guy it takes a team effort to look as pityful as they did last night against Pissburgh. I know its still early early in the season but if we fall that far back again can we repeat. I just dont feel so. Your ideas and spelling corrections are welcome,but don't you dare talk about mes' grammer.
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Jeez, we're barely at the 10-game mark...
We haven’t played well since coming back to the US, and we have yet to play an entire 60-minute game this year the way we did the second half of last year. Why? I don’t know. Is the problem a #1 goalie? I don’t know, but the goaltending hasn’t lost us a game yet. Is it the lack of an elite scorer? We haven’t really had enough offensive pressure to tell. Is it the power play? Actually, they’re about where they were last year, although they have more moments of lucidity (when they do move the puck, they move it well, and not having to have Jackman on the point is an improvement.) The penalty kill has been a weak spot; I’d like to see Junland instead of Weaver (and I’m a fan of mini-me) up here, but my guess is that they don’t want to try to work 2 rookies in at the same time, especially when EJ is essentially a second-year player himself. (How they’ll handle Cole, Petro and Junland next year, I don’t know, but defensive depth is a luxury this team should afford given their history.)
I don’t know where the fight went. But if we keep losing ground and don’t show some life, then the only solution is to fire the coach and maybe wake the team up. It’s not because Murray’s a bad coach. You’re not going to get anything by trading a player unless it’s part of the youth corps, and that won’t shake up the team, either. All things considered, I’m patient enough to wait-this isn’t the Cup year or the Cup team, and I would not be surprised if they make a break-the-bank offer to Kovalchuk in the off-season.
by The Goalie Guy on Oct 21, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
26 votes at the time of mine.
24 chose option #5. I think that tells you every Goddamned thing you need to know here.
WAY too fucking early to say ANYTHING about this team. Remember, we got off to a hot start last year, then in December it was like we ran into Tretiak every fucking night. And we still made the playoffs.
One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.
by Donut King on Oct 22, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreeance.
It doesn’t look very fucking good right now, but it is still VERY early. It’s obvious that the coaching staff and the players are taking it very seriously, and hopefully those results will manifest themselves quick-like.
And I still don’t understand why people are jumping on Mason already. I’ve seen almost every goal scored on us this season, and AT LEAST 75% of them have been the direct result of shitacular defense or screening. Robbie Luongo couldn’t have done jack shit against Pissburg, the way the other 5 guys on the ice were playing.
by Washoo on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Almost......
10% of blues hockey has been played and out side of Sweden we are 1-3-1 with losses against LA and Atlanta at home hot teams, but not better. A OTL against the coyotes, domination of the Ducks which looked as bad as we did against pittsburgh. And as for a run like last year 3 weeks off in February with some of our key guys playing in the Olympics. I just think it would be hard to sustain a late season surge like last year. Points are the most in important thing and right now we played 7 and have 7.
by Go_Blues on Oct 22, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We played 7.
Good point. Let’s let it rest there, buddy.
Last time I looked, there were 82 games on that schedule. We’ve got a LONG fucking way until we hit April.
One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.
by Donut King on Oct 22, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 games nine points.....
last time i checked 82 didn’t get you into the playoffs
by Go_Blues on Oct 25, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying we're going to be this shitty all year?
You DO realize that 9 games is a VERY small sample size, right?
Jesus H. Fucking Christ, dude. Get a grip.
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by Donut King on Oct 25, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't have to sample that much shit....
to know i don’t like shit . Maybe not shitty, but it would be nice if they could win 2 in a row in north america.
by Go_Blues on Oct 26, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dindt vote
but it aint too early. i think the proposal is about multi season issues. so 4 years is too short to determine if we have a capable top tier starter in net?
if we reward below acceptable performances of certain vets?
if we misuse our youth?
if we have a team identiy only a third of the year?.
heck as far as i am concerned the armstrong and hannu situations seem to indicate the blues are still an “old boys” network which has concerned me for literally decades.
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummm. wha?
What exactly do you mean here, esspecially with your last sentance? Basically the handling of the Armstrong was the right move, keeping him fresh in Peoria and being pateint in case a top 9 forward goes down, because what’s the point of keeping him on the NHL roster as a healthy scratch? Let him use his experience to work with Eller, Palushaj, and whoever else could use some guidance for the Rivermen.
And Hannu…. I have no clue what’s your point here. We brought him back because he was still under contract with us and he wanted another shot, and he’s our current backup in Peoria behind Bishop. What “situation” is there?
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by Novacain on Oct 22, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blues have had
especially in the lean times, an unflinching loyality to local connected people. such a connection is often without merit. an ex-goalie who was 1000000% FAIL as a blue asks for a job? the coaches former player asks for a job? coaching staff jobs, contracts for 1/2 year of play, etc. now while it was worse under the lauries, and humourous under keenan, the situation has not been cured completely
if basil macrea or rick zombo or todd ewen(all in local coaching recently) ask this franchise for a job, being connected to no one in the currect ownership group. will they be handed a job? anyone what to bet they would not get one?!? ANYONE?
when we trading for chris butler?!?
and your wrong on hannu, hannu was a free agent, the blues signed him by choice while being “stocked” with netminders. assuming you want a vet to handle bishop and belfour wasn’t that vet, what kind of brain damaged organization puts a shaky confidence quitter like hannu in charge of one of its stars of the future. not to mention signing hannu booted chris holt out of the picture (who is now not playing for the blues and in the echl). while it is true chris was a long shot. and a bonifide “Long” long shot. and the blues have two great prospects not even in the a yet (on in the q and one in clarkson) chris plays well in peoria, and we get a pick for him from someone. maybe., hannu plays well in peoria and no one, not even his momma cares.
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
k....
Dude, this is one incoherent rant.
Okay, we re-signed Hannu, does that really hurt anyone? He had ONE BAD YEAR! He wanted another shot, he obviously impressed enough to warrant a spot. He’s a backup in teh minors. Who makes a big deal about a backup goalie in the minors!
And I still have no clue about your point about Armstrong. We signed a guy who played 56 games in the NHL last year to a 2-Way Contract, he had a fantastic pre-season, one that would usually warrant a roster spot, but we still sent him down to Peoria. How is having extra depth in an organization a bad thing? We had the cap space, why just leave it out there if you can sign a solid hand to a 1 year deal to help players in the AHL and get the call up if injuries occur? Sure, he’s a “Murray guy” but who cares? Jesus.
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by Novacain on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one more thought
Just because you don’t care how Hannu does in Peoria, doesn’t mean the Blues organization doesn’t care, because that would be a very dumb thing for them to do. He rebounded after what could have been a career ending debacle with a solid year last year, and I wouldn’t be stunned if the Blues would prefer to call him up over Bishop if Mase or Conk go down, so they could keep getting Bishop consistant playing time. So I’m sure they care.
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by Novacain on Oct 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is
the blues have often signed people it knew or at least SHOULD have known would be ineffective to higher than market contracts because of personal feelings.
hannu was SIGNED after failure. period. no tryout. just money. i’d list a lot of players the blues overpaid and hung on too but no one have that much baud with. we can look at cam and yan though. again when we getting chris butler?
the cam move is unjustifable in a hockey sense. a deadline deal where the blues get no hockey asset other than a former stlouis nahl “star” which checketts had already gotten in yan!!
the signing of hannu hurt the hell out of chris holt. you telling me that a long shot in holt isnt still a more logical answer to a backup job at the “a” level than a washup under.500 finnish guy. (so losing in the fin league is bouncing back?? hannu had a save percentage, in the note, under .880!!!
they can love work ethic all they want and throw out 4 million dolalr fourth lines like they did during checketts infancy, you see what that results with on the ice.
and while at least armstong got a “tryout” he still a blues cap and money hit that the blues seem quite unwilling to utilize.
the only hope that this is getting better, that the blues will stop re-upping former slugs is that soupy campbell wanted to both return to the blues as a player and as a owner in the last few years and is, CURRENTLY, neither.
oh and hannu is the starter in peoria as the games and minutes go. ben is over .500 and hannu is under .500. but that mad mad mad looooooove goes a long way for the failure. and the insane hatred of the rookies goes down to the development level :)
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Sigh* this is getting incredibly tedious.
Lets start with teh entire “Hannu has played more games then Bishop” point. First off, that’s because Bishop was with the Blues on the Sweeden trip, and Hannu was our No.1 goalie there while that happend. And while your pointing out that Hannu is under 500, and Bishop is over, why not mention that Hannu has, according to Rivermen site (which might not be updated with yesterdays game, not sure) a better save percentage then Bishop? Or is that just irrelevent since he is obviously a failure at life?
On the Armstrong front, once more, he’s a depth player that would get called up if a Top 9 forward goes down, which hasn’t occured yet. And it’s a what, 500k cap hit, when we had a good deal of cap room left over knowing we’re gonna be handing out some big contracts this off-season? What exactly do you want them to do, put Armstrong on the reguler roster and send down one of your young guns to the AHL? What’s your plan here, because it seems all your doing is making arguments about things tha tnobody outside yourself really see’s a big problem in.
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by Novacain on Oct 22, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not to get in the middle of this arguement
but, childhood trauma, you’re making a big assumption about CHRIS HOLT!. He’s still a relatively young kid, but hes not a future projected No. 1 nor a highly touted draft pick. The Blues plan this year was to make Bishop a No. 1 goalie. Maybe CHRIS HOLT! didn’t want to back him up. Hannu was more than comfortable playing caddie in America and showing that maybe he can be an NHL backup.
Also, the Cam for Salvador deal is so inconsequential I don’t know you bring it up. Salvy, while a good stay-at-home d-man, was making too much coin and was entering the wrong side of 30. The Blues have a ton of d-man why not get something in return. Sure Cam is a fourth-liner with limited NHL potential, but he does A) offer a cheap enforcer and B) the home crowd loves him.
by averagejoe on Oct 22, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither is hannu
cam is a 7th liner ahl player. d.j. king’s slot was already filled with… d.j. king.
and hannu has 2 post sweden starts to bens 3. holt would have had only one :) and i believe i used long LONG shot to describe his shot. still better than the failed FAILED shot of hannu
so your telling me don’t bring up the fact that the blues overpay (ala salvador) then fix it by making an :inconsequential deal (for an “old boy”).
lol
THAT IS MY POINT!!!!!
are they still doing it?!!? seems so.
oh wait i can’t talk about it cos the season is still tooo young.
bull crap the head coach is old, the gm’s been in his job since the nixon administration and even the checketts/jd team should have their heads out their butts by now
and why should any of us think our current defensive d-men are not going to get jetison in multi inconsequential fdeals after we resign them for too much money?
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonna have to go bullets here ...
• i fail to see who hannu is blocking. the blues still held onto his rights and he wanted to play in the usa. why not give him a shot? sure, he was bad his last go around, but who says he can’t turn the corner. hes a freaking backup in peoria. why does this upset you so much?
• cam is not a 7th liner in the ahl. he hits, he sparks the team and he is willing to fight anyone. he can skate better than past goons like reed low and he rarely takes minor penalties like bj crombeen. hes never gonna be a top-line guy, but for an energy line guy, hes a perfect fit. do you really thing dwayne king is THAT much better? dude has been hurt in the last two years, something cam hasn’t been.
• trading salvador was fixing a mistake. he was making too much money and they weren’t going to retain him once his deal ended. would you rather have had him walk away for nothing?
• again, how is armstrong that big of a problem. two-way player to provide depth in the system a la trent whitfield. whitfield left, armstrong filled the void. again, hes not taking away from anyone. frankly, i think he should be up in the nhl instead of king.
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and why should any of us think our current defensive d-men are not going to get jetison [sic] in multi inconsequential fdeals [sic] after we resign them for too much money?i really dont understand this paranoid line of thinking. dumping bad deals is … bad? bad deals get signed all the time. sometimes you have to own up to them and move on — jay mckee rings a bell. if the blues sign ej to a 5-year $50 milly deal and he turns out to be the second coming of vladimir chebaturkin, i would love to see the blues dump him.
by averagejoe on Oct 22, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
siigh
he is blocking a non fail goalie. holt or someone else, the hyphenator. dont give a crap there is NO REASON to get a fail back in the fold. hannu’s rights were not the blues, they didnt qualify hannu. they DID qualify holt, whom they didnt sign after they signed hannu.
cam is a 3rd line ahler i was being sarcastic. he is just a shade behind in nahl teammate yan, and where the )(&$^ does yan play and why did we get him?
we just jetison’ed mckee in an inconsequential deal, the blues waffled all over signing polak to a raise, eventually did. people dont see room for alex now. guess what? it gets worse. we have MORE young d-men (most with d-side potential) on the way. polak and jackman goign to magically turn cam-cam after 5=10 more million? brewer going to get the pipe or a raise. put yer money down!! we know what he DESERVES. what do you THINK he will be given?
we already re-overpaid brewer making a sting of horrbile choices with him (like chosing him over mckee in the battle of the overpaid network stars!!")and bloody hell weaver is the armstrong of the d. he was signed specifically to train our a d-men, our owner thought his name was jeff weaver on opening night last year. yet weaver is like our #4 d-man now. what raise we giving him for yeoman service? pay pay pay trade trade trade, still cant fill the nhl roster with NHL players.
what is with all this optimism of how the mistakes are being corrected adn not repeated the blues have half their d-men over 3 million, 1 of which isnt ready to play, 1 of which was injured all last season and the other two are injured now (not to mention last year as well)
so instead of telling me that hannu is good for my hair, why don’t you explain how i am suppose to feel that hannu did not get unfair favorable treatment from this team for his former blue ball licking?
or yan or can or butler eventually, or mcrae jr, or larry pleaus favorite 19th yea old…
p.s. i’d take a 1 in 10 chance over cam:) but try and trade cam for a 4th rounder. TRY!!!! we got 4 players on team 4th or worse and 4 never drafted. 8 out of 23 seems like those draft picks gotta be better than picking up some random st. louis bandit
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know where to begin
this rant is something else. lemme break it down for you:
a back up goalie in the AHL is the organization’s 5th goalie. you have two in the NHL, your starter in peoria and your starter in alaska. im quite ok with having an nhl-experienced goalie being that low on the depth chart. you’re ranting about a below-mid-level signing. get over it. hannu being in peoria is not that big of a deal.
we can agree to disagree on cam. my point being vis-à-vis the janssen/salvador swap was it’s better to get something out of nothing. you cant have an entire roster of first-line scorers. you need energy guys. the blues didn’t have one. hole filled.
i have no idea what this means: “polak and jackman goign to magically turn cam-cam after 5=10 more million? brewer going to get the pipe or a raise. put yer money down!! we know what he DESERVES. what do you THINK he will be given?”
as far as the rest of the rant about the defense, the plan of the rebuild is to have the coffers loaded so a) when you have to make a move you have assets to facilitate a deal and b) you have depth to let guys walk — brewers contract goes up, the team has someone to step in.
i understand you dont like the front office. i agree the brewer deal was based on a short-burst of solid play right after the andy murray hire. but just because they overpaid for brewer doesnt mean they are going to blindly offer jackman or polak an outrageous deal.
lastly, “or yan or can or butler eventually, or mcrae jr, or larry pleaus favorite 19th yea old…” yan was a depth move when the team needed a body to kill penalties and play on the fourth line. cam has been discussed at length. butler is 22-year-old kid who seems like he has some potential. whats wrong with that? also, what’s wrong with phil mcrae?
im done. no more responses from me. have a good day and thanks for goading me into some good hockey talk with your rant(s).
by averagejoe on Oct 22, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
an unearned job is
an unearned job. a patronage job is a patronage job. patronage is a bad example for every single person in the entire organization. it says, don’t work, don’t be good, just beg and have photos of larry pleau and the sheep, i mentioned it as being a sign of the same old/ same old, it is others that jumped up full of piss and vinegar to remark how much it is different and special and loving. it ain’t none of that. at best it is illconcieved and at worse it is cronyism.. and none of this crud about the slot hannu occupies even comes in to play. if hannu audtioned for larry pleau’s butt wiping job he should be BEHIND chris holt, not to mention about 57 other players. you wip from the bottom up and nothing is more bottom than hannu’s previous blues tenure.
polak jaman, strachan, walker, perhaps piterangelo, brewer, mckee salvy, etc. the blues sign them, raise their contract to over market value (see salvy) then remove them inconsequencially. polak already got a raise the blues were well concerned he didn’t deseve (yet he is making just over a mil and so far one of our best d-men) you say the blues will let them go. let jacks and brews leave. that is the plan. they havent yet. they have shown the same old proclivity to HANG ON TIGHT. to players with falling returns.
and as much as i love polak the test would have been if they blues TRULY felt polak was too young to get a million dollar multi year contract they should have not given it to him. you cant continue to over pay and then just subtract them for no return while still mataining an attitude of “we have extra pieces we can trade”. you let all the defensive d-men walk for cam janssen’s and you need MORE defensive d-men despite 5 years of drafting them.
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear this is my last post in this discussion
Your kinda missing out on some major differences in the situations here. We were at a point were if we didn’t overpay, nobody would play in St. Louis, because the team sucked. To say we’ll make the same mistakes now that we’re in a position were we have to careful with cap space is very short sided. Hell, if we wanted to overpay Polak, we could have this off-season, instead we signed him to a 2 year deal that, to me, was below his value. Also, I really can’t see us paying much for Tratchan long term, figuring he’s our 8th defensmen, and that’s not even including Cole coming in once he leaves Notre Dame.
And, the Hannu talking point needs to fucking end. Honestly. The guy went out and posted solid numbers in Finland, and asked the team for a chance to play in the minors. It’s not like Bishop was steller in Peoria last year, maybe him having a backup that could challenge him would help. He was a 23 year old that had a bad season in the NHL. That happens to young goalies. Move on. Your doing all this shit talking on him, and not even mentioning that Bishop just posted a very “eh” .2.81 GAA and sub 900 Save Percentage last year in Peoria. Why not talk about how he should be in the Alaska right now instead of Sebastion Dahm who put up better numbers in the AHL last season then Bishop did? Could it be because it’s not a big deal, much like Hannu being signed over your apparent god, Chris Holt. And I like Holt, but jesus man.
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by Novacain on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying that Cam is good, or that it was a great trade. It was what it was- two players who weren’t good traded for each other. What I am saying is that your “sky is falling” mentality is nothing new. I recall a few years ago when you claimed that Perron would be a flop his rookie year.
Some people just like to look at the negative side of everything.
by Manbones on Oct 22, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i thought perron was too young and should hve been in juniors?
shoot me.
hands up of those with that attitude on alex. i’ll take note because 10 years late when alex does something it will magically be important.
not to mention bryce had an excellant polakian season for the devils last year.
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is. . .
that instead of looking on the bright side about Perron and saying “Wow, that’s great that the Blues could get a guy with enough talent to step right into the NHL,” you took the negative route. Judging from the posts I’ve read of yours, it seems like this is your default reaction.
by Manbones on Oct 22, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pah
i am a pessimist i say it all the time, but another word for pessimist is realist while the other name for an optimist is dreamer.
alex went to juniors last season and he seems destined to yet again.
so mark this down: alex is a great player who could step in today and contribute to the right nhl team :) now being realistic, the blues are not the right team for alex right now.
i also seem tp be the only one thinking the odds, although long, have to be played by the blues on peeps like holt, and 4th round draft picks. odds are very optimist should you simply play the game often enough and have the right people calculating them.
strachen’s odds for getting a nhl shift were just as long if not longer than holt’s. weaver sticking in the nhl as a blue was moderately long.
after all just 3 years ago this was the blues top 10 prospects
1. T.J. Oshie, C
2. Marek Schwarz, G
3. Timofei Shishkanov, LW
4. Scott Jackson, D
5. Alexei Shkotov, RW
6. Jason Bacashihua, G
7. Dennis Wideman, D
8. Jay McClement, C
9. Lee Stempniak, RW
10. Carl Söderberg, C
2 through 6 bit it harrrrrrddd. backes and polak, not on the 2006 list had better fates polak wasnt a top 20 prospect in 06.
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny,
I actually agree with you on most points. I guess my real issue is that I follow the Blues for fun, and it’s not fun for me to rag on the team too much.
I don’t consider my point-of-view to be optimistic or pessimistic, just reasonable. And I don’t think it is reasonable to expect anything better than a borderline fourth-liner in the fourth round.
According to hockeydb.com, there were 34 players drafted in the 4th round in 2002 (don’t ask me how that worked). Of those 34 guys, only 2 have had an NHL career of any consequence- Cam Janssen and Tom Gilbert. In 2003, the best 4th rounder was Jan Hedja. In 2004, Tyler Kennedy. 2005, Jared Boll and Keith Yandle.
So, as awful as it seems, Cam is pretty much the cream of the 4th round crop.
As for Petro, maybe you can answer this for me. He turns 20 in January, is it possible the Blues could stretch his nine game trial until his birthday and then send him to the AHL? If so, is there any chance that’s what they’re plotting? That way he can have 3-4 months of training and practicing with the big boys, and 3-4 months of minor league seasoning without burning a contract year.
Just a thought.
by Manbones on Oct 22, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: the petro thing
doesnt work. its age at the start of the season. hes either gotta wear the note or go back to jrs.
by averagejoe on Oct 22, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
figures don’t lie but liars figure, i can prob throw something out suggesting grabbing a lot of mid and low picks in good. but realistically i think we all know it takes a good draft team (which the blues hadn’t always had) and luck.
1995- blues get handzus—— kappinen and savard also drafted. not to mentiojn how many times a 4th pick gets traded in part of a deal. either as the pure pick or as the player selected.
1996- blues get another never to be seen ghost, but lydman, belanger, rozsival, and bradley get picked
its a lottery. but its one the blues HAVE to play. and play better than they historically have.
salvy is really having an excellant impact on the devils and it concerns me people think he is just as throwawayable as cam is :)
of course salvy is used to eating those rich rich blues contracts for 4th d-men and has a nj version of it. siiiigh
and alex is an interesting problem for the blues but their possibly ugly problem is junland. ufa next season, the blues unlikely to see him in the nhl this season, so they will have to get together with him on yet another speculatvie raise kind of contract. the blues had paid marek (the last next “goalie of the future”) 1 million in a few consecutive contracts to play “a” ball. i’m not sure the larder the blues have now will allow them to pay kids millions to play in peoria anymore. and junland is a solid prosepct but so very squeezed on the blues right now. they better not turn him into nothing though
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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the Cam trade
It was either Cam- a crappy NHL player, or a 4th round pick- which has about a 1-in-10 chance of even playing a season and a half in the NHL.
I don’t like Cam. At all.
But the fact that people make such a big stink out of this trade kills me. The Blues traded a mediocre-at-best older UFA defenseman for a goon. Big deal.
by Manbones on Oct 22, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love this team........
but if we miss the playoffs that will be a huge step in the wrong direction. As I see it we will have a 3-4 year window with the guys we have. I would love to see the kid line resigned to long term deals. Backes only has a year left on his deal, and with Eric Johnson just touching the ice again will send his price tag up. I enjoy the youth movement this team has gone though and totally changed the culture in Blues hockey.( But you don’t stock the pantry just to marvel at it ) I would hate for these years to fly by and were stuck in the same place as 5 years ago. I just want one Stanley Cup is that to much to ask.
And as for a slow start & why not another great finish there will be a 3 week break in February this season for Olympic hockey so points now is the most important thing. Losses to Atlanta and L.A at home are unacceptable for a team that wants to contend.
It might still be to early but it could soon enough be to late.
by Go_Blues on Oct 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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