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Steve Ott is no stranger to the feeling of being hugged by the NHL's linesmen.

Steve Ott made a whole new army of haters with his performance in St. Louis Saturday night. Not only did he low-bridge Carlo Colaiacovo with a questionable 'hip check' but he also went knee-on-knee with B.J. Crombeen late in the third. Both incidents ignited whole-team scrums and both incidents did exactly what Ott wanted: took the Blues' focus off the game and put it firmly on him.

Dallas fans will all say they love Ott and that what he did is an accepted part of today's game. Plus, it was effective; his team got power plays out of each event and his team got the win.


Blues fans will take the opposite side of the fight: Ott is a dirty player and a disgrace.

But was Ott really just "doing his job?" That's why he's in the NHL, isn't it? If he changed his game, he'd probably land himself in the minors. If his actions had resulted in more one-way penalization, the Stars would have no choice but to bench him.

So, what's the story here?

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Steve Ott's play on Saturday night is typical of his game in the NHL. Is his play acceptable because it's within the rules most of the time or is he just a dirty player?
Ott plays right on the edge of the rules and it gives his team an advantage most nights.
65 votes
Ott is intentionally a dirty player and he knowingly crosses the line. He's a disgrace.
135 votes
It's a rough game and there will always be players like Ott.
76 votes
If teams didn't let Ott's actions get in their heads, this stuff would weed itself out of the league.
28 votes

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Steve Ott is just a cog in the machine

He has a job to do and, he does it well. He hits people, he agitates and he produces (46 points last year for a pest is not too bad). Does he cross the line? Of course he does. But, as you said, it messes with the other team. The Blues admitted to losing focus after Ott made Cola go flying.

Is Ott a dirty player? Probably. There is a long line of dirty players in the NHL — Jordin Tootoo, Bryan Marchment, Claude Lemieux to name a few. But players of is ilk aren’t going to go away. The advantage you get from having a guy fly around hitting people (dirty or not) and distracting the other team and making them only out for blood is too big to ignore. If someone like Janssen or King, were he not a waste of space, had done what Ott did Saturday and the result were flipped I would be decrying them for not playing within the rules (the knee-on-knee is always frowned upon in my world), but at the same time I would be thrilled that the Blues got two points because of it.

Ott is dirty, but he’s not the first. He won’t be the last. And, this won’t be the last time a group of fans has this debate about Steve Ott.

by averagejoe on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I really wanted to chose the last option, as it's probably true, but

when a player goes as far as a Steve Ott (or, lest we forget, Tyson Nash) goes, they’ll always get under the other team’s skin and rightfully so. It’s a stragedy to the game, just like The Trap – you can debate the ligitimacy of either stragedy, but the bottom line is the only way to get people to stop it is to expose it. Don’t give in to the urge to retailiate physically against a Steve Ott, and prove it’s useless by putting the rubber in the net.

All that said, if I saw Steve Ott walking in a cross walk in front of my car, I’d hit the gas harder than if I saw Rod Blagoivich.

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by J-Mill on Oct 26, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the guy

is a grade A arse. If you’re going to dish it out you should be prepared to take it. The fact that he disappears when Cam goes on ice says it all.

However – as I said previously, I’m all for the Blues hitting THEIR star players hard. Not illegally…just HARD and brutal. Send the message – if he does that to us…we do it to them.

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by drfrankentweed on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

can't vote

cos ott, marchment, tyson nash are the enevitable result of the insitgator rule. period.

so its a rough game don’t cover it.

more like its a pr move and dirty play is better than brawls in buttman’s eyes

let ott get his butt handed too him 5 times that game, instead of zero, and he thinks about it.

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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HA

Ott has a hearing scheduled with the league tomorrow.

Suspension please – they need to send a message about that knee to knee.

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by drfrankentweed on Oct 26, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

none of those answers really work

he does get under teams skin but doesnt really give them an advantage

he is a dirty player but not always it doesnt seem like

it is a rough game but things only get that bad when officials let them

and this will always be a part of the game

he still deserves a suspension and he better get fucked up in november when we play them again

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by bleedblue2009 on Oct 26, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s hard. I need an “all of the above” option, because they’re all true: He is a dirty tool, he does help his team this way, his kind will always be part of things, but he’d be less effective if the refs didn’t dick his victims with an inexplicable collection of calls teams didn’t let it get to them.

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by Dominik on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s pretty much sean avery.we might not like it but he does his job well.that doesnt mean i dont want to punch his face in which i do

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by Oshie#74 on Oct 26, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well I don't know Ott as a player...

But speaking from my own experience I chose option #1.

I chose this because that was my specific role on the soccer team. It was my job to DECIMATE the other teams forwards and midfielders. Now, I was never considered a dirty player, I never actually wanted to injure anyone… I just wanted to stop them from advancing down the field, and I accomplished this by hip and body checks, and sometimes a slide tackle or too. I got to stay on the team because I was GOOD at it. Just like Ott is good at his role. Although many people don’t like this kind these kinds of players, they are necessary for almost every team.

I have made dirty plays, but all were accidental (except for that one time where I almost curb stomped a girl… but you know…) Not knowing Ott as a player, I see this as an accidently play. Although it doesn’t look accidental, it very well could be. And I say this because I have ruined people’s careers on plays that look purposeful but were actually completely accidental. I went in for a slide tackle, a little too late, and completely destroyed this girl’s ankle and she could never play again.

That being said, I believe that it is Ott’s role on his team to be physical. When a player is placed in that role it usually means that they are less than graceful, and therefore more prone to making reckless plays.

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by Carnie on Oct 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to make as objective a statement as I can.

Here’s my take from yesterday: http://www.defendingbigd.com/2009/10/25/1099802/the-neutral-zone-the-fine-line

Here’s the deal: Steve Ott is a player that walks a fine line and Stars fans get pissed off when he blatantly crosses the line. He has these games every now and then where tries to become the biggest a*hole on the planet, and he goes too far trying to make a statement hit.

But he’s not like that every night.

Stars fans want him to become the player he was last season after he returned from his injury. On a nightly basis he made big CLEAN hits, injected this team with energy and attitude and made big things happen on the scoreboard.

Steve Ott possesses some offensive talent that many don’t believe he has, but it’s there. Stars fans want him to be that type of player every single night, and not this player that shows up every now and then and causes this type of controversy. His ‘reputation’ makes these incidents much worse than they should be.

I also want to say that I believe Ott deserves punishment for his hit on Crombeen. That’s inexcusable, and I want him to STOP making these sort of brainless hits that do nothing but hurt this team.

But I cannot accept the opinion that Ott is an everyday dirty player who is a ‘disgrace’ to the game of hockey, because he’s not. I’ve seen the potential Ott has at becoming an impact player and not just an agitator, and THAT is the player I want him to be because I KNOW he can be.

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by Brandon Worley on Oct 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Stars fan, I will say this: Steve Ott can toe the line at times.

I’m more appalled that he had two questionable hits than the results of the actual hits themselves. Because let’s be honest. Neither was particularly damaging. A damaging hit was the Scuderi one that could have broken Jason Chimera’s neck. If Ott gets suspended, it’ll be for reputation more than anthing else.

I like the way that Otter plays. He’s a force, and he’s pretty talented when he’s not doing reckless, stupid things like he did on Saturday. I’ll admit that he’s a bit evil, but it’s in a good way. At least, most Stars fans like it.

Don’t be worried about whether or not he’ll be suspended, because he probably will. Last season he got suspended for an eye gouge that was a very questionable call. Ott has a reputation, and sadly, that can be a decision-maker in these cases.

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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 26, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Questionable . . . really?

He stuck a knee out on Crombeen. . . there is no question to that. He was even called for the penalty.

But by your logic he does not deserve to get a suspension for that, because there is “no serious injury” (the questionable hip check on colaiacovo, left him with a concussion, does that count, by your standard)

It is all about action and results. You want to punish a player only if the result is bad, but the rules are in place in order to deter a player from commenting the action in the first place. Regardless of what happens to a player after getting hit knee to knee, the one who did the hitting should be punished. (You don’t see us claiming Smith should be suspended because his hard head broke King’s hand, but by your logic, it would be a valid argument)

by breibird on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

rec for you lol… love it

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we the same person? Juan seems convinced we are …

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

hear hear

embrace the Otter hate. Another rec for that blast.

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why in the flying fuck

are there stars fans on this message board.. how bout you all go back to your own damn page.. honestly we dont give a shit what you guys think.. were gonna have our opinion and were not really gonna listen to anything you have to say

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um

it may be because DK and I have been having stimulating arousing charming chats with their fellas on DBD.

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Oct 26, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the record

im banned from there which is why they havent been spammed into next week yet

Look I'm sure youre a nice person and everything but that Redwings jersey you're wearing makes me want to cave your face in with my fist...it's not you it's me and the fact that you're a fucking Redwings fan

by RFJCC on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

thats why im wondering why we dont just ban them.. im tired of listening to their shit

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

civil discussion is fine

this is america, man. if they wanna come here and talk they can. they should just know, if you come into someones house, dont piss on the rug.

now coming in and baggin on the city or the lack of cups, things that have nothing to do with ott or the guy, those are just silly but coming on here to defend ott is not a crime. youd probably do the same if the shoe was on the other foot, i know i would.

by averagejoe on Oct 26, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok well....

earlier i was havin a discussion with some guy that was talkin about somethin about how they won a stanley cup.. thats what im talkin bout

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 26, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of bad reffing...

Brett Hull = in the crease

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got a dallas fan to apoligize

and admit he was wrong. That Ott’s quick attack of Pietrangelo was low and uncalled for (even if Petro was bum rushing him). I felt a bit vindicated

by breibird on Oct 26, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we're to blame.

Although with their insistence on not swearing, I’m surprised I got away with a couple of "shit"’s on their board on Saturday night. In my defense, I was plastered AND pissed off, two things that usually don’t happen simultaneously.

In all honesty, DBD is a good place . . . a VERY well-run blog. Brandon and the gang really know their stuff. It just so happens that I am a member there, and Steve Ott had to act like hockey’s biggest dickhead on Saturday against my favorite team, and I had to let someone over there know about it.

I have no problems taking the blame for their presence, and I’m sorry that saying my peace did nothing to quell their overtures.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Oct 26, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know dallas hockey fans

they covet what they have not then just steal it. pretty sure they wont steal this blog, but whatever blog they do have must suck ott’s dick and they dont wanna watch that at the moment

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by Childhood Trauma on Oct 26, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ott wouldn't [iss me off as much

If he got called for the shit he does. He had a semi questionable hit on cola then charges our rookie and we get 4 minutes for it. He got fucking rewarded for his cockfaggery. If the refs got the call right on uninut or we were able to retaliate(someone said cam tried to have a go with him and ott skated off the ice, so cam facewashed woywit) then I don’t think he would have tried to take Crombeens knee out. Letting this bullshit go on without punishment leads to more of it.

If after the cola/petro thing we get a 4 minute PP instead or cam rearranges his inbred face I wouldn’t be as upset about it but he pulls cheap bullshit and gets rewarded for it.

by Icion on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey

Can’t we all just be friends here?

Red Wings suck. Does that help?

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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 26, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course. :)

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by hildymac on Oct 26, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. No.
2. An enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
BONUS ANSWER: Ott is a dick.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Oct 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

agree

no that does not anything better… i think milo covered everything i wanted to say

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and youre donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in youre ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree

we’re a Blues blog, but we’re in a network with the whole NHL’s worth of online fans (really most US sports on SBN) and there’s no reason that fans of other teams can’t post and contribute to the conversation here as long as they either bring their well though input or the funny – I, for one, really wanted the hear the Dallas point of view on this issue (I especially liked reading Brandon’s thoughts).

As long as A) they’re not outright trolling, B) they’re not Redwings fans, and C) they’re not Steve Ott himself, there’s no reason they can’t bring their thoughts into this arena. We routinely have posts from fans of the Sharks, Stars, Thrashers, Leafs, and even the Blackhawks here. Even if I don’t agree with their thoughts necessarily, I’d much rather hear the thought out points of a rival fan than the empty bitching from a fan of my own team.

Okay, I’ll get off my soapbox now. Continue, everyone!

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Oct 26, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

This is my thoughts exactly. I enjoy friendly bantering back and forth among other blogs.
I enjoyed our field trips last year and hearing differing points of view.
I see nothing wrong with that.

by luvhockey on Oct 27, 2009 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those field trips were totally Brad Lee's idea and were fun for a while...

…but a lot of those sites then bitched about us after we left, DBD among them.

You guys can all go anywhere you want and say whatever you want within the boundaries of the particular sites’ guidelines (it is the internet, after all) and we’ll continue to allow virtually anyone to join here and say whatever the hell they want (and curse too, because we’re all big boys and girls) with few exceptions.

But as a site, don’t expect a ton of field trips in the future.

Our site has always been pretty independent and our inclusion in this network initially opened us up to the possibilities of being better team players, but we’ve found that the rest of the team spends more time talking about us behind our back and doing less than they said they would to promote us, so we, as a site, will probably continue to be that asshole kid who takes his ball and goes home.

But you guys can go where you want to go, say what you want to say and continue to bring people back to the trailer park as they follow you back from your exploits. Again, we’ve banned very few non-spammers and our posts/fanposts/fanshots will always be open to people who want to come in here and tell us why we’re wrong.

We’d like to pretend it’s a first amendment thing, but actually, it’s more of a we’d rather let people say whatever they want thing.

by gallagher on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're STILL totally doing a field trip with PPP though . . .

right?

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Oct 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Very much yes.

by gallagher on Oct 30, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beauty.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knee to knee can ruin a career

Bobby Plager had his career cut short but a dirty cheapshot to the knee. That shit shouldn’t be tolerated. Otter turtling afterward with Bean shows just what a punk he is.

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Oct 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which completely explains why...

… the league’s looking at the hip check on Cola, and not the knee on knee contact with Beej.

Oh, wait… it DOESN’T.

I’m more pissed off at the disciplinary consistency than I am at Ott. Which is an excellet teaser for my TWH tomorrow.

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by hildymac on Oct 26, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're shitting me right?

I know I’m one of your favorite turds but come on. The low bridge hit and not the knee to knee?

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Oct 26, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yepyep.

This league’s discipline is jacked up. Brandon from DBD posted a link to something about it last night on Twitter. Confused the holy hell out of me, seriously.

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Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Oct 27, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I took Answer #2.

Although the correct answer REALLY is . . . “I can now understand why Ott spent half the ‘08-’09 on the shelf. Someone probably ran him, and Ott probably deserved it.”

I’d make a terrible umpire, but . . . I calls ’em as I sees ’em.

Anyway, I’d like to be done with this guy soon. It’s possible Colin Campbell can exacerbate that tomorrow morning.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Oct 26, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just Look at Avery

He was playing like a lunatic in Dallas and got waived for something stupid. The Rangers pick him up. He plays that crazy once and they bench him for ONE game. Since then he’s still a great pest who annoys the crap out of the other team but the “dirty” part of his game seems to have gone by the wayside. The coaching team in Dallas needs to show that this kind of stuff isn’t acceptable.

by Maverides on Oct 27, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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