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Four Fights Equals Six Goals?

If I pound on the glass, maybe that will make them fight harder! (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

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If I pound on the glass, maybe that will make them fight harder! (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)


Well that was interesting last night. Four first-period goals. Four fights. Maybe there are some hard feelings from last year's playoff sweep.

The fisticuffs are an interesting topic to talk about. In the game wrap last night, I mentioned that Cam Janssen on The Morning After on Team 1380 actually went public with a gripe from a loss last week. Janssen had seen less than two minutes of total ice time and was ready to drop the gloves but never got the opportunity. He talked about that frustration on the radio.

The Blues were the last team in the entire league to have a fight and at first glance, it doesn't seem like the Blues have had a lot of fights, but they're actually near the league lead in dropping the gloves. According to HockeyFights.com, the Blues have 13 fighting majors on the season, sixth most in the league and just three behind Calgary and San Jose for the league-lead. B.J. Crombeen has five fights on the year and Janssen has four. Matt Carkner has seven, the most in the league.

I'm of the camp that fights can change momentum and bring a team together. I understand the view that pre-arranged fights are lame and shouldn't be part of the game. If it's a good fight, I wouldn't care that they set it up on Twitter while updating their Facebook pages. It's part of the game, let it remain part of the game.

But what do you think? Has the fighting helped this year? Do you like to see Janssen in the lineup but play around five minutes for the whole game (he skated more than seven minutes Tuesday)? Let's talk about fightin' and this current Blues squad.

And come back this afternoon for a You Write The Comedy.

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Four fights + Andrew Raycroft = Six goals

A posse ad esse.

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by Jonathan Willis on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

raycroft=

4-1 with 1.6 gaa in luongos absense, so 6 goals against rayzor is pretty good with his current run he was on

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hang on, Mathman...

Raycroft certainly had a Turekesque meltdown in the first period, but the score was only 4-0 when he left. Goals five and six are the responsibility of The Seven And A Half Million Dollar Goalie.

by BleedBlue42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I

didnt even see the boxscore just hopped on here i do now see it was just the first four

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Nov 11, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am a believer

that fighting DOES have a place in the game. I mean, come on, you can’t tell me that it doesn’t when nearly the entire stadium stands and cheers!

It can and DOES change momentum and hockey just isnt hockey without at least a little scuffle.

When it comes to Janssen, he does his job well. And I REALLY like the fact that he’s out there trying to be productive with the puck as well as being the enforcer. I can understand why he may not get as much ice time, especially when we NEED TO SCORE, but you can bet other teams are aware when he’s dressed and on the bench to play.

One of my more favorite hockey quotes “I went to see a fight and a hockey game broke out” That was my first hockey game ever. Old school back when Dallas was still the MN North Stars…saw a game between them & Chicago at the old Chicago stadium. The entire game from warmups to end of overtime was nothing but a bench brawl. Game wound up tied 1-1 but damn was it fun!!

Put your big girl panties on and deal with it!

by BluesFanFromNE on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And how are we feeling this afternoon? :)

I actually prefer Cam to be out there between 5 and 7 minutes a night, because he serves a purpose. Last night, he served it well. Wasn’t there a stat last year that showed we had more wins with him in the lineup than when he was a scratch? He adds some needed pep out there.

That, and he’s actually getting pretty good. I’m not going to confuse him with Happy Meal any time soon, but he looks pretty sharp with the puck.

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by hildymac on Nov 11, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....let me check....

Yep…still feeling like crap!! Had a headache this morning and still just feel like I was smashed into the boards by someone like Cam…

8 jagerbombs on a Tuesday night is a BAD idea. Oh well ^^

But you are right Hildy, Cam serves a purpose, and he serves it well.

Put your big girl panties on and deal with it!

by BluesFanFromNE on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Cam rocked it last night

he does his job. and he does it well.
His second fight of the night, he was trying to come off the ice, and Hordichuk literally jumped on the ice and grabbed him by the collar.
and on EJ’s goal, he was a big part of getting the puck down and clearing room in front of the net, by drawing guys to the boards.

Also, I think they ended up with 5 fights, giving the final one to Roman at the end of the third, but it could have just been a roughing call.

by breibird on Nov 11, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No end-game fights on the official scorecard.

Polak got boarding and roughing minors and a misconduct; Mitchell got a roughing minor and a misconduct.

by BleedBlue42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was

the great Toe Blake that said “If we dont get the disgraceful fights under control we will have to put in more seats and print more tickets”

by hoozis on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We play better when we're aggressive and hit

The smothering dump and chase is such a wet blanket to the Blues.

We need to get the same message to MUR that we holler at the local T&A club.

SET THEM FREE BABY!!!

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Nov 11, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just got a mental image...

… of Murray in pasties, and I did not like it.

Excuse me – I need to go figure out a way to get this hand sanitizer into my brain.

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by hildymac on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Playing better when aggressive just shows how much the team needs energy. It looks week out there without energy, but good with it. Pretty simple actually, play hard and you have a good shot at winning.

by Bman21212 on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is

Janssen has learnt WHEN to fight. And more importantly, when NOT to fight. He brings energy and passion.

And with his work over the summer definitely paying off, he’s not a liability out there – he can create turnovers…make the other team a little bit apprehensive and he can draw penalties.

He’d leave his last drop of blood on the ice for the Blues – how can anyone possibly dislike a guy like that?

And i still reckon he’ll get a goal this season…maybe more than one…lol

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by drfrankentweed on Nov 11, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's the secret

When you fight is incredibly important. If you are up by two or more goals the only fights you should get in are defending a teamate or when the other guy gets an instigator penalty. I think BJ’s second fight was unecessary for the Blues as at that point all we could have done is give the Canucks something to focus on, other than that we really did the job correctly on fighting yesterday.

Also I really expect to see a suspension for the Cannuck for the fight at the end of the game. Those are the type of things they are really trying to stamp out

If they are called fingers why don't they fing?

by Maverides on Nov 11, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pah

while cam’s win and arm raise was meet with cheers what did it have to do with the score? blues already won before cam smash hit anything.

it was winchester getting his ass beat as the first fight, and the blues had already won by then too. and didnt start losing after the fight.

the theory, from the WHEN to fight peeps, is you fight to change momentum. so why was cam looking to fight?

blues didn’t need a momentum change at any point during the game.

an embarrased canucks team may have been looking for somehting, but really the main looker in the punch club was cam :)

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by Childhood Trauma on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

First off, it was Crombeen, not Winchester. Winchester didn’t dress.

And ofcourse since someone started a fight with Jannsen we actually got a PP out of it and I do believe the guy was given a game misconduct. Sure, the game was over already, but it certainly didn’t hurt us.

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by Novacain on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

As I stated above if the other team gets an instigator then it was a good fight.

If they are called fingers why don't they fing?

by Maverides on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

d'oh and no

year crombeen, he aint no winchester in the fisticuffs.

cam may not have been busted :0 and so its all good, butim elling ya he was out there patrolling for a fight especially when the blues had gone up and bj was ko’ed :)

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Nov 11, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the theory, from the WHEN to fight peeps, is you fight to change momentum. so why was cam looking to fight?

Sending a message that the Canucks may have pushed us around and intimidated us last May but those days are over. Their azz is now grass and CAM is the lawnmower. He’s our pitbull that we let the chain out when needed.

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We had two minus players yesterday:

TJ Oshie -1 (2 assists, 3 sog)
Eric Brewer -1 (0 pts, 0 sog)

Just sayin’

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by cold on Nov 11, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

power plays

dont impact plus/minus. otherwise oshie would have been +1. im not sure if brewer was on the ice for the ppg, but he was on the ice for a team-high 24 minutes.

by averagejoe on Nov 11, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Captain 11001010

…was also on the ice for both power-play goals. So if PPGs affected plus/minus, Brewer would also have been a +1.

Of course, if I really wanted to try to differentiate between Brewer and Oshie, I’d point out that Oshie earned two assists on those PPGs, while Brewer was the only person on the ice for both goals who didn’t make it onto the scoresheet.

by BleedBlue42 on Nov 11, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So to understand

Captain Minus played the most minutes in a 6 to 1 game and still came away with a minus. That is consistency in my book. He was out for the only goal against us, and none of the even strength goals for. The only thing he could have done better is to knock in another own goal for fun.

I would still trade Brewer for a 10 year old jock strap if the offer came across my desk.

by Bleedbluecp2 on Nov 11, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

CREATIVITY on offense

is what won us that game, it was like watchin a totally different team. They werent looking for 1 of “their plays” that they had worked on in practice. You could see it even-strength & w/ man-advantage, but it really stuck out to me on a PP. Notes were shootin in end they do twice (opposite end from me, btw) and Boyes was around left circle tryn to find a shot & there was 1 time where the BIGSHOT wasnt there so he then looked pass, nothin great there either so With His Head Up like he was still looking for a pass, put a flat shot on net. Didn’t go in, but did produce a rebound & it makes the D (in this case PK) think & react out there. I’m not saying this play is why we won, but it shows they were lookin for what Van was gonna give ‘em & at times when they saw it they’d take advantage & exploit someone & make something happen. They werent just trying to force set plays, they played hockey last night, by reacting.

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by Nancy's Boy on Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Both PPGs

… came on passes from down low. The Blues had become so predictable in their power-play offense – pass back to the point, shoot from there and hope for a rebound – that the changes last night had to catch Vancouver completely off guard.

by BleedBlue42 on Nov 11, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

best game i have ever been to!

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by Oshie#74 on Nov 11, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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