to hear that it sounds like he cares a shred lol

I wouldn’t care if I never see the Iceberg again. He hasn’t done anything to warrant keeping him. He hasn’t even shown flashes of good play. He has been “getting by” at best. He did have a good start last season. But he has sucked since then. I don’t get why he isn’t improving like the rest of the “youngins.”

(or is it just me?)

All that being said, I would also be pissed if we see the Berg replaced by DA.

we should certianly expect not to be outworked and to have a playoff spot, but are we really more skilled than either the wings of hawks right this second? hawks have run their youth program a bit longer than we have for starters and i thought this might be a year for them to take number 1, and as off as i thought detroit might be, finally, they are revving back up to do what they usually does win alot.

and i’ve said this a few times, with this i agree 100% scotttrade needs to be a tough place for a visitor to play. win lose or draw. it needs to be tough to play here.

on the berg issue. again i want to know what vet’s we have that are into the growing of talent. maybe kt. anyone else? backes is considered a vet althought he really ain’t. is pk or mcdonald the type of vet to make berg a man?

if your berg’s team mate and a vet, and berg tells you that, and you go tell strickland, what does THAT mean. yowzer.

and being yelled at? i’d say grow a pair. if berg means ‘chewed out’ as in benched or made to sit next to the trainer on the team bus trips… that is a bit different.

As Charlie Chan would say to #1 son, Sumting wong

So Berglund is some kind of whiny emo kid that doesn’t like to get yelled at? He better grow up fast or he won’t last long in the NHL.

Ive always had a philosophy that there are different types of coaches in sports. I hate using other sports, but hear me out, I promise this has some meaning.

Here in St. louis Sports we have seen many of these. Coaches who can take the players they have and get the best out of them (Tony LaRussa, Whitey Herzog). Some believed in hard work and discipline will get you to the top of the mountain (Dick Vermeil). Some took great teams and tried fruitlessly to achieve a championship (Joel Quenneville)

I believe John Davidson and Dave Checketts brought Andy Murray in because of his ability to evaluate what talent we had in the franchise and get it motivated towards winning. Thats why I think AM is hard on the rookies and sticks with the veterans to the point its painful. However there does come a time where the builder/evaluator coach cannot take his team any further and needs to be replaced by what I call a “Finishing Coach”. A coach that knows how to win and push the team to a new level.

Now do I think The Blues are to that point where Andy Murray cannot take them any further? I dont think so, and I think its time for a shake up in personnel. As for who to move and where…….no idea. But I dont know that you can having so many prospects does not necessarily mean championships. We all do have to realize that there will never be another team like the late 70s/early 80s Edmonton Oilers. As much as Id love to see our Blues achieve a status that legendary

I’ve watched every game, this year and last, wondering why so many teams blame the coaches for the teams results. I get that they are responsible to a degree, but it seems most of the time owners are trading coaches with other owners, as if they are players. Murray is not the problem and the players are not the problem, the issue we are having is all in their heads. . .. it is a mental block.
Last year, this group came together as a team, became friends, cared about each other . . . and I do not believe that has changed (even though we lost Hinote, Woywitka, and McKee, and gained Sydor) What has changed is our sense of desperation. The team “know they need to win”, but I don’t think they believe it, not like they did when they were 15th in the west at break. This team was desperate to win. . . and that is what we need back.

Bergie has been in this game long enough to know that communication is important. He and Murray are both grown and if he is concerned with trying to please Murray then he is never going to succeed. Lets be frank here. . .They picked Bergs because of his game and potential. . . coaching staff knows you are going to make mistakes while you are trying to find your game . . . now bergs can work on that here (inSTL) at a rapid pace, getting someone to point out the mistakes (Murray) and then take those and GROW from them, because he is young and has lots to improve on like his physical game . . . bergs could go to Peoria and find the game he had last year (being one of the best down there, unless he truly pulls a legace) and then work on his physical game once he has the confidence back to score (which he lost at break last year, and never gained back, even at iihf championships) or he can be traded, go to another team, which might be worse for him than here. I would believe that with the friendship he and Osh share, that would be one of the last things he wants. It is the last thing I would want.
I want to see him improve his physical game, I want him to have the confidence which we in the stands have about his ability. I want him to be able to protect Lars out there next year (cause lars connected w/ osh and bergs, but was too small to play the physical game he was trying, so there was no one out there to cover his butt)

That goes for almost everyone on the team. Perron went through this last year, and I waited week after week, praying for the day when he would get out of his slump, and he did. and even though Murray was hard on him, he seems to know that Murray cares for him and for his career. So he has pushed him to be better, and it caused DP to grow not only into a better player but into a mature man. We forget these are young men, in there early 20’s (the age you partied til we hours in the morning) they lived very stressful, disciplined lives. Life is demanding they become men overnight, learning the lessons, which we spent years learning in obscurity, while they must stand in the public eye. It is hard to do. and I can not imagine being Andy Murray and having a team full of 20-somethings

I don’t want to tell you to encourage them in their mediocrity, but the reality is they are better than they believe they are. . . I have always hated the word potential, because it means nothing, if you do not work to change and grow, to want it so bad, you turn yourself inside out to get there. That is where we are at. have them each and as a team make a choice. . . do you want to be here? do you want to be the best? if not, let us know, cause we are waisting out time and money. . .

One of the problems that I see is that this team is trying to be more… skilled… in their game. At the same time, they seem to have forgotten the hard work that made them the most feared team in the league towards the end of the last season. The other thing is that after making such a loud statement, you’re no going to catch very many teams by surprise. This team is seeing everybody else’s “A” game, particularly at home. A “B”, or even a “B+” game isn’t going to cut it this year.

As for Bergy… I don’t see him coming out of battles in the corners with the puck as he did last year until he wore down. Our best cornerman (among other things) right now is Perron. He’s not (at the risk of using a Keenanism) “competing”. That’s what AM should get on his case about. There are “coachable moments,” and then there are the “You should know better than to do that at this level of hockey, you idiot!”

If bergy fails to develop here, that’s going to be a shame, but he won’t be the first hockey player that’s happened to (see Brett Hull), or if he’s flamed out for good (see Jonathan Cheechoo) the team needs to know that, too and make room.