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"Hey, I crashed the net and got a goal!  You want I do that again, coach?"

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"Hey, I crashed the net and got a goal! You want I do that again, coach?"

There have been a couple of complaints popping up in the comments during and after GDTs regarding the system that the Blues have been using to play.  Actually, systems, because we've used quite a few over the year to mixed results.  Hockey teams become known for their style of play - mention "Mid-90s Devils" and watch people begin to get irate about how Jaques Lemaire has the absolute worst style of hockey, and how the Devils have killed, and are killing again, the joy in hockey.  Mention the Minnesota Wild(s) and marvel at how quickly people fall asleep.  Flyers? Chances are you'll get someone upset about their dirty style of play.  But, despite the fact that these are all negative opinions of teams, they're all part of their identity, their game. 

The two Conferences even have fairly distinct reputations: the East is where the open ice is; where power forwards like Crosby, Malkin, Kovalchuk, and Ovechkin have free reign and goalies like Brodeur, Miller, and Toskala (hahaha - just kidding) have to stand on their heads.  The West is where you have the grit and defense; where players like Iginla, Nash, and Thornton have to grind it out, and where teams like the Red Wings have prided themselves on the defensive capabilities of Tomas Holmstrom's ass for years.

But what is the Blues' reputation?  What's our distinctive style of play?  Are we power forward central, like the resurgent Blackhawks, or do we have to work for it every night like the Stars and Avs?  Are we blue collar, or are we going to get tossed in jail pretending to commit a white-collar crime... pretending we're something we're not, and failing miserably?

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Frankly, I really need to figure out a way to pick a topic that I can do point-counterpoint on better, because this one I'm totally biased in one way, and that is 110% against the dump and chase.  That is the system of desperation.  You use that system, and the opposing team smells blood in the water, regardless of if they're the Sharks or not.  You get the puck, you're not sure what to do, so you dump it all the way down the ice, hoping you get there before the other team.  Yeah, that's useful... if you're on a LINE CHANGE.  If your team isn't built for speed, and aside from Perron and Kariya, we're really not, you're not going to get there first.  Sorry.  What this system tells the other team is that you don't have the patience to let players get into position, or you don't have any idea what to do once they do manage to get something established.  This is the system of bottom-feeding teams who have coaches that are just trying to get guys to do something, anything, resembling playing hockey.  This is not us.  Allow me to repeat that for anyone who thinks that this works for teams: no

So, when dump and chase stops... no, that's not the word, because it would have had to have started to work to begin with... when dump and chase doesn't work, the Blues have been resorting to making tape-to-tape passes.  Ok, this is an improvement, because we have players that can accomplish this well, like McDonald and Perron, for example.  It allows plays to be established on the fly to throw the opposition off.  Unfortunately, when this becomes your main method of attack, everyone knows you'll look for the pass before the shot, and will cut the pass off or break it up.  It became so obvious at the Thrashers/Blues game that my mother pointed it out and was starting to get pissed off by it.  She usually watches 2-3 games a year, and those are the ones that I take her to.  If she catches it, well then, how do you not expect the other team to?

Honestly, we're blue collar.  We work for our points.  We took down the Wings by playing rough around the boards, laying people out, shoving them out of the way (and our crease).  We park it in front of the goal, and wait for the rebound.  It's dirty, it's greasy, but by God does it work. Big Walt's gotten almost 1,050 points that way.  The game against the B's was a good example  - Walter was there, tipped it in.  Cola rammed himself at Rask, and boom.  Goal.  Stick with what works, guys.  Our best and most beloved players are the rough and tumble guys.  The ones we get the most pissed off at our the finesse players (except for Frenchie).  Gotta stick with what we know, eh?

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What is the Blues' signature style of play?
Gritty, park it in front of the net hockey. No frou frou stuff here - chippy, rough and tumble, and fun.
19 votes
Fast becoming dump and chase, which is the system you play when you don't have a system to begin with.
43 votes
Whatever the line combos lend itself to that night, and whatever Murray feels like executing.
29 votes
Whatever the hell is working - currently the "Oh, shit, we need to make up ground because we didn't play the 2nd period!" system.
65 votes

156 votes | Poll has closed

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Should be the first one...

…but is currently the last one, unfortunately.

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon

by baroose on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I had to go with

dump and chase although the last worked equally well.
Now if we could just do #1, I love to camp

by luvhockey on Nov 24, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Blues have been able to gain the zone without dumping lately, which has been refreshing. Sometimes I think I was really meant to be an Eastern Conference fan.

http://www.stlouisgametime.com/

by cold on Nov 24, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

personally i think all of em are #1

let me ’splain lucy,

it IS #1. tautology.

#2. ya dump, ya send someone in (or 3rd man high or wtf murray calls the d& c this year) THEN since your forwards have the puck deep and with support you CRASH THE NET

#3, backes oshie, etc etc. having troubles? park em at the net. is oshie stopping and standing somewhere weird waiting for his turn to cycle into the forecheck? WHYYYYYYY?!?!. backes and oshie will look better steamrolling to the net, perron, a classic hands guy, is still doing things right once he gets to the net, our 2 checking lines have to drive the net. so who/what line does that leave? if AMac and PK and boyes were scoring, ok MAYBE they get freedom. they ain’t. so systemize them.

  1. since we took off 33 of the previous 48 minutes now we get 2 d-men (and soon an extra attacker) to send into the zone, ya gots more people= send more peeps deeeeeep!

lol.

actually i am not suggesting this is the greatest system ever, merely that it is simple and for the blues it represents the goals they have been scoring.

and simple and working is what the blues need now.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Nov 24, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You know...

… if they could actually do what you just said, it’d work. But no one’s crashing the net aside from the usual suspects, and that really concerns the heck out of me. Walter needs to teach Oshie and Backes the ways of the greasy goal. If they don’t work as snipers, their size and physicality works for being in front of the net perfectly.

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Nov 24, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Physicality yes, size not so much

Oshie is officially 5’11"/194 but then Happy Meal is officially 5’11"/190. As much as I enjoy watching TJ’s boundless energy (where has that been lately?), and I know he will always be a fan favorite, his size gives me pause about his long-term prospects. He’s skilled, but not necessarily as a sniper. He’s physical, but only when he’s playing at peak intensity. Remember how ordinary he looked in the playoffs when everyone else dialed it up a notch? Last year he played much bigger than his size (watching him cream Rick Nash never ever gets old). This year he looks much more like a garden variety 3rd line forward.

Thanks for taking my call. I will hang up and take my beating on the radio please…

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon

by baroose on Nov 24, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we look small

I agree we look small. And they look like babies lately. Trying to get out of the way of a hit rather than playing the puck (Kariya) and others. I don’t see Perron try to get out of the way. Take it like a man! Don’t play if you are scared to take a hit. Bench yourself if you are not willing to come to play. Something seems wrong with Happy Meal, he doesn’t look like himself. Oshie doesn’t, Backes doesn’t. There has to be a reason. Are they waiting for someting like the Olympics. Are the blues trying to lose games so they can get a better draft pick, or is that even possible. Checketts thinks this is the team built to win, I disagree…We need a leader and someone who can put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. Not somebody streaky. Boyes is not a superstar he is a supporting guy. We need a superstar to win the Cup and until that happens we will just keep seeing the same type of games. I love the Blues don’t get me wrong but something is wrong. The team looked liked they tried harder 3 4 5 years ago when they had less talent. That has to be attributed to something, but what?

by Blue Note on Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

#1 was the trademark of the Norris Division.

This ain’t the Norris Division.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Nov 24, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately.

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Nov 24, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

#4.

Goddamnit.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Nov 24, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

we're getting scoring opportunities, we kist cam

I think I get the point. We haven’t defined ourselves or identified our style of hockey. But we’re getting scoring chances and most of these systems are about making chances. Our problem is we’re not finishing them. Our shots on goal are improving but we’re still not scoring. Right now our goal scorers aren’t doing what they’re paid to do. Everyone else is!

by TeddyDaniels on Nov 24, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not scoring is the same in any language:

Tears.

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Nov 24, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tired of seeing everybody we play look like a Vezina contender...

Brad Boyes needs to shoot. Fuck the pass, fuck the pretty move that fails at the last moment. Think like a sniper. Act like a sniper. Don’t go 2 feet in front of the net; go 10-15 feet and let it go when Perron slips you the puck from behind the net. Don’t count on that cross-ice feed for the one-timer on the power play. EVERYBODY knows you do it now, and (gasp!) they practice defending it so you have to find something else.

The puck isn’t going in. No matter how we jam the net, we don’t get a stick on the puck. Our deflections miss the net or worse, they hit our players in front and bounce back. None of our players can (as yet) can seem to get in the right spot at the right time on a consistent basis. This team needs a true sniper – once Kariya is gone, Mr. Checketts please open up the vault and get Kovalchuk here.

by The Goalie Guy on Nov 25, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's gonna be tough...

… Kovy’s entered into the “how long and how much” phase of negotiations. Honestly, StL is the only team I wouldn’t be upset to see him go to if something weird were happen, but I still don’t want to see him leave Atlanta. This is really his team, and if he leaves, well…

As Kovy goes, I’m scared that’s how hockey in Atlanta goes. And for as long as I’m stuck down here, I’d like to be able to see it.

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Nov 25, 2009 6:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kovy's the least known franchise player in the league!

I think the price would be too steep and I’d have flashbacks to the late ’90s managing regime. Atlanta could reasonably ask for Petro/Junland/Oshie. Would Kovy make us a cup contender?

by TeddyDaniels on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, least known around here.

Generally, league wide, though, I don’t know how true that is. The Blues would have to give up a ton to get him (I could see 2 of those that you listed, as well as a pick), as well as a ton of money, and I don’t want to see the franchise set back for one guy, nor do I want the Thrashers to lose him.

Kovy by himself, no. Kovy with the right parts, yes – cup contender. The issue with him is giving him free reign to do what he wants to on the ice. If you try to restrict him too much, he kind of shuts down. Honestly, if you want to see how much Kovalchuk pushes the Thrashers towards the playoffs, watch this season – they finally have some of the necessary parts required to get there… goaltending still is a major concern, and the 3rd D pairing can be wonky.

Still don’t see him going anywhere. This is really his team – the players say it, the coach says it, the GM says it… He can’t go anywhere else and have that.

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Nov 25, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

captain for that pic

tuukka: roman polak scored a goal and I jizzed. in. my. pants.

"It’s a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you’re gonna die" ~ Dr. Horrible

by Carnie on Nov 25, 2009 12:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

#1

They need to spend an afternoon in the locker room watching the clip from The Mighty Ducks movie where Coach Bomaby dumps a trash can on the ice and the team then shoots garbage into the net. If you are in the zone, and you have the puck on your stick – AIM FOR THE GOAL!
My husbad is getting tired of me yelling at the TV to SHOOT THE DAMN PUCK!!!! TAKE THE SHOT!!!!! SHOOT IT!!!!!!! Worst thing that can happen is they get lucky and actually score.

If I could only watch one sport for the rest of my life? That's easy. Hockey. Saint Louis Blues Hockey.

by bleed-blue on Nov 25, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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