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Some thoughts on Patrik Berglund and prospect development in the Blues' organization...

NOTE: I originally posted this over at The Asylum (STLToday, for those just arriving)... but thought it would get more attention, and a better class of people commenting on it, over here...

Poster "forgetyerskatesdream" at The Asylum wrote:

"Let me make sure I have this correct. When a young player such as Perron, Oshie, EJ, Polak plays well it's in spite of Murray, and when a young player struggles it's because of Murray. Is that about right? Unreal."

And poster "croschek98" replied:

"I think the difference is the above mentioned guys spent time at a lower north american level of hockey. Also, for 3 out of the four, they still see family through out the season. Let us not forget no matter what their situation or income, they are still just kids."

The bolded parts above are the keys here, IMO.

Berglund is very talented and has a world of potential, but he jumped from (essentially) the Swedish version of the AHL (the Allsvenskan) straight to the National Hockey League in one season.

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I think spending a year in Peoria at the start of his career last year would have done him some good... but in this organization, there seems to be a stigma attached to sending young offense-minded European players (Shkotov, Zakharov, Söderberg) to the AHL.

Sending young Euro defensemen doesn't seem to hurt -- see the Pola'ks and Junlands of the world for examples -- but for some reason, the forwards, and especially the skilled forwards, don't seem able or willing to take the journey to the NHL by steps.

Having Lars Eller in Peoria now, and thriving, is a step in the right direction towards changing this mindset for both the organization and their Euro forward prospects.

Getting Jori Lehtera there last season for a cup of coffee at the end of the year ( 7 GP, 0-1-1, plus 1, 2 PM), and in the playoffs -- where he performed more than adequately with a goal and an assist in seven games -- was also a positive move.

I'd expect -- or at least hope -- to see Lehtera, Simon Hjalmarsson, and possibly Sergei Andronov in Peoria next year, taking the first step towards the NHL future that likely awaits all three of them.

One hopes that they will follow Eller's example and understand that assignment to the AHL is really a necessary step in the player's adjustment to the North American game for all but the most elite of young European players -- the Overchkins, Kovalchuks and Zetterbergs of the world.

Keep in mind also that Zetterberg, at least, didn't come over until he was 22 and had already had the experience of five pro seasons in Sweden... three in the Allsvenskan and two in the Elitserien.

It may not be too late to get Berglund's development back on track by sending him to Peoria; let him get some premium ice time with scorers like Eller and Palushaj, with solid two-way guys like Chris Porter and Brett Sonne. Let him get his confidence back, because that's all that he seems to be lacking at this point.

He's had a year or more to adjust to the North American game and lifestyle already, so that's not the issue.

The issue is that Berglund needs to find and develop all the parts of his game, and what seems to be being emphasized here in St. Louis under Murray is only the defensive side and awareness.

This is important; it's absolutely important. But Patrik Berglund is not going to make a living in the NHL as a defensive shut-down guy the way a Jay McClement can. Berglund is a power forward, a scorer, and a playmaker... and that part of his game isn't going to be developed under Andy Murray, or at the NHL level, at this time.

Better, long-term, for his career to let him go to Peoria and work with a coach like Davis Payne who has experience, and success, working with young players and developing those aspects of their game.

Let him play -- consistently -- with the best offensive talents on the team; he won't get to do that in St. Louis... and justifiably so, because he hasn't yet earned it consistently with his play at this level.

The AHL's purpose is to turn prospects into players. Berglund is really only halfway to being a player at this stage; let him go the rest of the way by taking a trip about two hours north and staying there a little while.

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Well written

and very interesting

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by Jstats on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 PM CST reply actions  

I agree...

that Berglund just seems to be missing confidence, but is demoting him out of the NHL going to help that any? To the fans and possibly to him, it may just seem like another step to obscurity. Maybe he needs to forget defensive hockey for a few shifts and just get his wheels going and get his creative juices flowing again. Maybe that would be good advice for the rest of the team as well.

by Bleedbluecp2 on Dec 15, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe he (Berglund) needs to forget defensive hockey for a few shifts and just get his wheels going and get his creative juices flowing again.

You’re exactly right… but unfortunately, that will not happen in St. Louis as long as Andy Murray is the coach.

If Berglund goes out for a shift and doesn;t play the way Murray wants him to play, he’ll get benched. That’s why you have a coach; no player should be able to go out on the ice and just play however he wants to. There has to be a system, a game plan, that everyone buys into.

The issue here is simply that Murray’s game plan is not conducive to development of scoring forwards. It’s fine for checkers and defensemen, but scoring forwards don’t develop, or thrive, under a defense-first system like Murray is playing here.

Peoria plays a different style, and their coach has experience — and success — in developing and using young players and scoring forwards. That’s why I suggest sending Berglund down there to finish out the year. let him go someplace where his sckill can be honed, and where he can be dominant.

Then, when the Blues get a new coach — or when Murray is “persuaded” by management to adapt his system to the players he has instead of trying to fit the players he has into his system — Berglund is ready to transition those developed skills into the NHL.

Right now, his offensive skills are stagnating, because he’s still young ands still needs to develop those skills, and he’s not getting the opportunity to do so here with Murray behind the bench.

It’s really just that simple, IMO.

B.
 

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The only knock I have against

Is blaming Murray for not developing Berglund. He did a little last year but right now the fans are calling for his head because hes not winning. Balancing development and Winning is a tough act and im not sure he can do both. But I do agree he needs to see a few games in Peoria to get himself going again.

by Icion on Dec 15, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

I dont think its as much as blame

Murray doesn’t hold fault for the situation, its simply cause and effect of trying to develop offensively in his system. No one is to blame. I think Murray is a fantastic coach and that chemistry between the players skill sets, and the system of the coach need to coincide. Murray is a guy who loves a physical hockey game full of fore- and back-checking with a defensive mindset, not exactly a situation promoting the ability for young finesse or skill players, something this organization has lacked for the past few years (overwhelmingly “grinder” filled roster) to flourish. I dont want to see Murray go by any means, but the “transition” from a dump-and-chase grinding hockey team, to an offensive powerhouse or somewhere in-between will have to be accompanied by one of two things. A. We trade players who aren’t panning out for bigger talents (Anaheim approach a few years back), or B. We enact a system that resembles the “transition” we are trying to make and open things up a bit, or hire a new coach (not simply hire a new one obviously) who is also proven.

We wont become offensive if we emphasize defense, we just dont have the roster of say the New Jersey Devils
(sorry for the length of this post, damn)

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by DasBlues74 on Dec 15, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Murray is a guy who loves a physical hockey game full of fore- and back-checking with a defensive mindset, not exactly a situation promoting the ability for young finesse or skill players … to flourish.

Bingo.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 16, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Bergs and the rest

I think this was a great post. Emphasizing the one part of the organization we should consider new. We are yet to develop anything great. We just keep pushing them through. I would love to keep Bergs and especially send him down to see how he reacts. I feel the same way about Pietr. I don’t want to burn a year of contract just to get him NHL experience. He will have plenty of that in his career. I like the idea of development. A guy will not be in his prime until he is about 25-30 and about 27-32 for a defenseman. I know the management is much better than this than I am, but is it possible that management is as anxious as the fans to see results? Checketts is a brilliant hockey mind, but even he is stating that he is believing that young players will all amount to immediate wins. Maybe it would be a good idea to cycle some players to the NHL to see how they react. Like we did with Eller, bring him up for a taste, then make him work to come back. Where is Sonne? He has put up some great numbers, but he isn’t even a mention to crack a roster spot for a game. Yan gets called up, Regier got some time (thought he was good), Paddock got some games, Porter too for that matter, but none of these guys outside of Eller is mentioned as one of our players of the future. I give them credit for getting called up, but I wonder why the players of the future still never see the light of day or they get called up and are expected to immediately be elite (Pietr, Oshie, Bergs, Perron). I have had a few drinks so I apologize for the long ramble, but I would like to hear some reactions.

by Whatablue on Dec 16, 2009 2:07 AM CST reply actions  

Very compelling argument.

While I don’t mind having the TechnoViking around the big club because of his flashes of brilliance (which have been WELL fewer and farther between this year), there has been no advancement and no reason to play him on the Big Note this year.

Sending a 21-year-old to the AHL can’t do anything to stunt his development, especially when it’s clear he’s underperforming his expectations at the top flight.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

murray and the blues

are under a win now mandate. win the stanley cup now? i hope not that much is expected, but a LOT is expected. so whoever is on the team is there to win first, develop second.

i think that has been mentioned. if you are looking to develope first, win second, ya go to the “a” or even the “e” anywhere else your going to expect to do things to promote winning over doing things to promote self.

bergie is having issues, and perron is occasionally (being once again magically in a murray dog house). so i suppose the question is if you want the blues to give bergie first line ice time for the next month reguardless of how that affects the team’s standings, or would you rather the blues bench bergie regardless of how that affects his development

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Dec 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

win now = get us in the black

the owners need this thing to get out of the red. They don’t make money until the third or fourth home playoff game, or so I’ve heard. My guess is that they want a second round appearance this year.

by gallagher on Dec 19, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Chip & Chase

Just wondering out loud here, but Bergs is the size exception with the young guys so is this the best game for the guys to play? They’re mostly smaller skilled guys we have in our offense (& system) so just wondering if we should make these guys play this type of game? I mean, we arent the (Mighty) Ducks.

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by Nancy's Boy on Dec 16, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions  

poor bergie

i agree with you all. he needs playing time and he sure as shit aint gettin it here.but what im scared of is if we send him done, he may never reach the level he was at last year.its a tough call

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by stlAJ on Dec 17, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

With guys like Kariya and Boyes...

around him he should be getting plunty of offensive pointers, he should room with Walt and take every note he can. But at the end of the day its the player who has to step up and put more time and effort in. Talent is worthless if you dont have the drive, and he right now hasnt moved out of park. I read a article a few months ago that he was gonna play in the NHL for 5 years then bolt back to swedan. TSN maybe not to sure

Why is patience a virtue and procrastination a sin...I mean whats wrong with patiently procrastionating?

by Go_Blues on Dec 17, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Please let me know if you can find the article about Berglund,

as I would love to read it. I haven’t heard anything about him going to back to Sweden, and my attempts to do a google search for the article have been unsuccessful.

"You suck but you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull

by hullnoates on Dec 17, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, I think I found the article you were referring to:

Link Here

Berglund actually was saying that a couple years ago he told Andy Murray that he hoped to crack an NHL lineup within 4-5 years.

“I remember him two springs ago when I met him. He was the typical Swedish player. I said to him, ‘What are your plans here?’ He said, ‘Well, I hope to play in the NHL in four or five years.’ So, I said, ‘Then you’ll be good for the next coach here, but I’d like you to speed that process up.” — Blues coach Andy Murray

In the same article, Bergs says that he hopes to play in the NHL for 10-15 yrs., which I interpret to mean that he would like to play in the NHL as long as possible. I feel a little bit better now.

"You suck but you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull

by hullnoates on Dec 17, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions  

What's the difference, then,

between Berglund’s 47-pt season last year, and his struggles this year? Murray hasn’t changed his expectations regarding playing D, and Bergie hasn’t lost the skills that got him those points?

If the problem is Murray’s system, then why didn’t see these issues arise last year in the same system?

I like the idea of sending Bergie to Peoria. If he can’t handle that blow to his ego, then he won’t amount to much as a pro, anyway. If he shakes the yips in P-town, then he can come back to the NHL. It’s all up to him.

.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com

by CrossCheckRaise on Dec 17, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions  

Great article as per usual from tomorrows blues. now ill say four words that will be terribly unpopular: start drafting exclusively canadian.

by bzgea2 on Dec 19, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

four more words:

I’m cool with this.

(Shout out to contractions for making this four words call-back happen! Shout out!)

by gallagher on Dec 19, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

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