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Thoughts on drafting and prospect development in the Blues' organization, Part Two

Since the GTPD Fanpost about Patrik Berglund and prospect development in the Blues' organ-I-zation has been so well-received by the "Game Time" community, we here at the Prospect Department have decided to keep the discussion going by commenting on some of your thoughts here in a separate post.

In the original Fanpost at right, bzgea2 thoughtfully proposed that the Blues:

start drafting exclusively canadian.

In all honesty, your GTPD is not completely opposed to this, either... we'll qualify it, however, by changing "Canadian" to "North American," as we feel that Oshie, Backes and Johnson (who, we'll say here and now, appears as if he could use a swift kick in the ass in order to pull his head out of it) demonstrate adequately that Americans can get the job done, too.

Also, the American-born draftees that haven't made The Show yet — the Coles, Palushajs, McRaes, and Bishops of the world — are among the organization's top prospects as well, so ruling out Americans entirely probably isn't the best of ideas.

More on drafting, and oh, yes, about drafting Europeans, too... after the jump.

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Lars Eller vs. Reto Berra at the 2009 Pro Orientation Camp (GT photo by Brian Weidler)

It's well-known that your GTPD - and the Blues' scouting staff as well - loves the skill level of Europeans, and Lars Eller is absolutely going to be a player in this league. There is no doubt in our minds of that. But he seems to be the exception among European forwards, as noted in the original Fanpost.

Jori Lehtera also really interests us, as it's rare for an unheralded 21-year-old to be among the league leaders in scoring in the SM-Liiga for as long as he has been this year. That's a league that plays a more North American-style physical and defensive game (which is part of the reason why so many decent goalies seem to come from Finland), so Lehtera has gained some experience in playing that kind of game. Lehtera's coming over to play in Peoria at the end of last season was a big plus for your GTPD as well.

Simon Hjalmarsson has been over for both Development Camps since he was drafted, and displays some intriguing skills, but unless he makes the commitment to come over and play in Peoria next season, he might have to be written off. The Russian Andronov is a possibility as well, as he'll be age-eligible for the AHL next season.

We know a lot of Blues' fans are fed up with Russians after the defections of Shishkanov, Zakharov, Shkotov and Lemtyugov, and we certainly wouldn't blame them for feeling that way. All of those players, however, had some success in the AHL, which apparently led them to believe that they had earned at least a legitimate shot at the NHL... and who knows, perhaps they were right.

Something else to consider is that all of those Russians - except Lemtyugov - came over to play major junior immediately after being drafted. All played in the QMJHL - Shishkanov and Shkotov with the Quebec Remparts, and Zakharov with the Moncton Wildcats.

Your GTPD has long advocated, and will do so here again, that if the Blues are going to draft European forwards, they need to either draft those who will come over and play major junior immediately, so as to acclimate themselves to the North American game and lifestyle and demonstrate a commitment to playing the game over here...

...or else they need to do something they haven't done yet under Jarmo Kekalainen, and that is to draft European-trained players who have already made the commitment to come over and play major junior in their draft years.

Here's just one example of the kind of player we're talking about: Alexander Burmistrov of the Barrie Colts (OHL).

Burmistrov, a 6'0, 170-pound native of Kazan, Russia, is tearing it up in the OHL right now (14-27-41 in 32 games, plus-21, 24 PIM, 2 PP, 1 SH, 4 GW), on a team that has not lost in regulation since Oct. 15 (21-0-0-1 in that span). More telling perhaps, and indicative of his individual impact, is that Burmistrov is the only significant addition to a Barrie squad that was three games under .500 last season, and is now the top-ranked team in all major junior hockey.

This kid could have stayed in Russia and dominated with the Bars Kazan team in the MHL (Russia's top junior league) - who are doing all right without him at 18-13-3 as it is - and still been a high draft pick this year. He chose instead to come over and start getting used to North American hockey right away, and took the chance of getting lost in the shuffle of the heavily-scouted OHL.

You want some more?

How about Ivan Telegin of the Saginaw Spirit, a big (6'3, 185 pounds) center with impressive numbers as well (32 GP, 18-13-31, plus-7, 14 PM, 5 PPG) who has also scored a team-leading four of the all-important "first goals."

Or, jumping east to Quebec, what about Kirill Kabanov of Moncton? Considered at one time to be a contender for the first overall selection in 2010, Kabanov aggravated an old wrist injury and underwent surgery in November, with an expected return of mid-February. This will certainly drive his draft stock downward, leaving the Blues with the possibility of "stealing" him with a pick in the second to fourth rounds.

Or perhaps one of the Czech pair of playmaker Jakub Culek, or sniper Petr Straka of the Rimouski Oceanic. Straka leads Rimouski, and leads all QMJHL rookies, with 18 goals in 34 games, while Culek's 28 assists has him tied for 8th overall in the "Q," along with fellow draft-eligible Russian Stanislav Galiev of the league-leading Saint John Sea Dogs.

If the Blues want to add the skill of European forwards to the organization, drafting guys like this is, in our considered opinion, the way to do it.

We'll address European defensemen and goalies in a separate post. For now, we at the "Game Time" Prospect Department welcome and encourage your comments and thoughts below. And as always, remember... "If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil." Auf wiedersehen.

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Thanks good sir.

I find the “draft only Canadians” thing kinda funny, mainly because in our recent drafting history, we haven’t had any real Canadian forwards that stand out. Admited, we haven’t drafted that many high, save Perron, and he worked out really well. The US has clearly been our base of operations, as you pointed out.

On the front in Europe… Well, I think it should be strongly considered to ignore this rule with 1st round draft picks, to be blunt. For the later rounds, the picks seemingly never work out, buy 1st rounders I think should clearly be used on whoever the team fainds to be the best player on the board, Canadian, American, Russian, Finish, Sweedish, or f’n Brazilian, I don’t really care. If there’s a prospect you think is going to be a 1st liner when you don’t think any others available will, TAKE EM!

But, as far as the later rounds… I also don’t think our little rule should apply to defensemen, because we’ve gotten solid values in the later rounds overseas. Polak round 6 in 04, Junland round 3 in 06, and Krisfoffer Berglund looks like a solid prospect from the 5th round of 08. Just throwing that out htere.

On the forward front though, the track record is there to say “yeah, lets not take them at this point” Players from North America not only basically all dream of NHL dreams, but their easier to keep a tab on.

Breaking News: I'm currently in the process of writing "I will not say and/or type "that word" 1,000 times.

by Novacain on Dec 19, 2009 2:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're right about Euro defensemen...

…as I pointed out in the original Fanpost.

I’ll make that point again in the follow-up to this post.

Would you consider recommending this Fanpost so it stays up with the other one? THanks.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 19, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gah, dammit.

I read that too, and somehow blanked on that paragraph, but your right. Spot on.

And rec’d for you.

Breaking News: I'm currently in the process of writing "I will not say and/or type "that word" 1,000 times.

by Novacain on Dec 19, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nhl is anti euro

the russian situation is dicey at best and even the euro situation isnt as much as keeping tabs on but convincing (assumping this is what you want) eurp players to play minor leagues over here. the money and control is pretty much designed to put america first. \

however 10 years from now if you look at all the draft steals they will be dispproportionally euro. euros (ESPECIALLY RUSSIANS) fall in the draft to start, find one or two with nhl drive and you will get a steal almost every time now.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Dec 19, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do not draft N.A. exclusively.

Go where the skills to play in the NHL are. That would be both here and abroad. All the coaching in the world could get you a ham sandwich at a deli, but talent always wins you the 6-foot party sub.

Besides, if we draft exclusively N.A. . . . wouldn’t Jarmo have to get shit-canned? We don’t want that, do we?

Great stuff as always, B.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Dec 19, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why am I hungry all of a sudden?

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Dec 19, 2009 11:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take the blame.

Just doing my job again.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Dec 20, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The mulitcolored fishwrap had an article this week

on Ivan hockey players. They claimed it was a big risk also to sign them but some sources in the article claimed the Russians bailing was cyclical and they would come back to the NHL.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/2009-12-16-russian-players_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Outstanding work TB, your like my porn guide I keep handy by the bed, only this one’s for my beloved Blues.

Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints

by spectr17 on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ha, well, i will say that i prefaced that statement with something to the extent of “I know this is going to be terribly unpopular” but ill stand by what i said.

Couldnt agree more on euro players coming over to play in major juniors in their draft year, I think that should be integral in selecting a player. really, in essence, im just tired of the blues picking players that have never played in a north american league. and for the record I did make the comment with full knowledge of the blues american selections (which I think are great by the way, im a huge USA hockey fan), but I would really just like one draft that was just flat out canadian focused .

I read once that Bryan Murray, the real architect of Anaheims Cup team in 07 drafted on three principles: draft big, draft strong, draft canadian. I really think that team aligns itself well with the pieces the blues have now and in the system, as in if we’re going to win thats how its going to happen, so i was really taking that into consideration when typing that. Also, beer and frustration were involved. Glad my pretty much insignificant post lead to some pretty in-depth stuff, Ive said it before and I’ll say it again, Tommorow’s Blues is a goddamn gem in the hockey blogging world.

by bzgea2 on Dec 20, 2009 2:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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