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The Pronger Question

Win a few games, get a couple points out of the playoffs, mix in some rumors about reacquiring one of the franchise's most well known players in the league and all of the sudden the Blues are a story again. And a positive one at that. Go figure.

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My elbows are always ready to crack your skull.

Here's what Greg Wyshynski (known as Puck Daddy over at Yahoo! Sports) said about the Blues right now:

First, a word about the Blues: bizonkers. The franchise is playing one of the most important home games in years tonight against the Detroit Red Wings, in what could be the first playoff atmosphere in St. Louis since ... well, since Pronger was on the team. They're a great story, and like some other Western Conference underdogs, you can't help but hope they earn a postseason berth. Plus, it's nice to see Chris Mason steal someone else's job again after getting his stolen in Nashville.

Yeah, floored me too. Wysh also weighed in on the Possible return of Pronger saying the Blues' former captain makes sense on the ice, but not when $20 million of the team's salary next season would be committed to defense. He closed by saying if a deal doesn't happen by Wednesday afternoon, maybe it goes down over the summer.

We've kind of stayed away from the Pronger scuttlebut around here because blabbering on about trade rumors can get really, really tedious. But as we're now less than 30 hours to the trade deadline, it's kind of the big gap-toothed elephant in the room.

Part of me says make the deal. He's the missing link in the transition game and would make an already potent power play deadly. He's won a Cup and been to another Final. He brings an attitude to the ice that is a perfect match for this physical team that wins by imposing its will on the opponent.

Then the other part of me says the big fella has a history of making bad decisions on the ice when it comes to physical play. And he's part of the past when this team has been pointed at the future since he left four seasons ago. And the money committed to defense next season is daunting. Damn you Jay McKee and your apparently untradeable contract!

Fans would love it, especially the people around the area who are only casual Blues fans at best. They all know Pronger. They'd probably wonder when the team is trading for Al MacInnis too.

Would Pronger make the Blues better? Yes. Is this the right move for this franchise at this time? I have no fucking idea.

How about you? Answer the poll. Discuss it down in the comments. And remember to come back for the Detroit love fest later.

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Should the Blues trade for Chris Pronger?
Yes, do it.
54 votes
No, please don't.
120 votes

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per ottawa sun:

The Blues are interested in Anaheim defenceman Chris Pronger, but not at any cost. Sources say the Ducks are demanding LW David Perron, a prospect, a first-round pick and a conditional pick. The Blues would like to bring Pronger back for a second stint, but they won’t pay that price. The Devils, Bruins, Caps and Flyers have shown interest.

by oic on Mar 3, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If the Blues trade Perron, a prospect, and a 1st rounder for Pronger, my head will asplode. There is no guarantee he will lead them anywhere in the playoffs (assuming they can win some tough games over the next two weeks and keep winning after that), and thats a hefty amount of future talent to pawn off. Scary thing is, I feel like Andy Murray has a low opinion about Perron and probably wouldn’t be too sad to ship him out.

I never liked Pronger. He has always been a cheap shot artist, and he is not nearly as effective in today’s NHL as a result.

by cold on Mar 3, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He has always been a cheap shot artist, and he is not nearly as effective in today’s NHL as a result.

Funny. I can’t think of one player who had a better 2006 postseason or a 2007 postseason than Chris Pronger, but feel free to name anybody you think of.

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by Earl Sleek on Mar 3, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll grant he did a good job for the Oilers, but he’s also proven to be incredibly talented at racking up playoff suspensions for cheap shot hits. And skate stomping guys lying on the ice. What a champion of men.

by cold on Mar 3, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, if that’s got to be your focus, then sure, Pronger’s not your guy. He still was a monster for Anaheim, though. I’ll just quote from something I wrote for another blog’s Pronger v Niedermayer debate

Sure, Niedermayer scored some big goals, but in the 2007 postseason, in all situations, Scotty was on the ice for 24 GF and 26 GA. Pronger, in all situations, was on the ice for 32 GF and 15 GA. In the Ducks’ toughest playoff series, the Red Wings didn’t score an even-strength or a power-play goal when Pronger was on the ice.

You can focus on the elbows, if you want. I still like the wins.

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by Earl Sleek on Mar 3, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you really blame him?

Can you seriously say that you wouldn’t be pissed off if some asshat that fell down, tried to do a leg-lock on you and wouldn’t let you move? I’d have probably dropped down to my knees and beat his skull in with my fists.

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by Dan. on Mar 3, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but as I wrote above, he has a history of questionable decision making and is a repeat offender with the league. The next transgresssion, he’s looking at a suspension of five to 10 games.

I think the negatvity you see to the big boy is more about Blues fans moving on than anything. And maybe being a little jealous that he was the latest star player to leave the team and win a Cup somewhere else. Thank God he didn’t do it in Detroit.

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by Brad Lee on Mar 3, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

If he’d done it in Detroit, St. Louisans would have burned their fucking city down.

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by Dan. on Mar 3, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Blues problem right now is offense, not defense. Don’t we have Erik Johnson coming back next year to help QB the powerplay? Pietrangelo also likely? Ian Cole, Jonas Junland down the road? So really, there’s a chance that Pronger might be useful for 20 games this season, and then a massive waste of cash the year after.

by cold on Mar 3, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My vote is no

When he was wearing the Blue Note, I enjoyed watching Chris Pronger play. That being said, I don’t want him back.

The Blues are fighting for a playoff spot, not a Stanley Cup. Right now the team is in 12th place in the West. They have a variety of problems — problems which won’t be solved by the addition of a large D-man.

Pronger was once a great defenseman. He could do it all and was a joy to watch. Now? He’s on the wrong side of 30 (He’s 34) and makes a ton of money in the salary cap era. He would make the defense better, sure, but at what cost?

Right now the Blues score just 2.71 goals a game, 19th in the NHL. They allow 2.84 goals a game,15th in the league. Obviously keeping the puck out of the net is something that the Blues need to work on. However, you can’t just ignore the offense.
Rumors (and they are just rumors) say that the Ducks want a player on the Blues roster. The name often mentioned is David Perron. Perron — love him or hate him — the dude is tied for second on the team in points. Who would replace his production? Pronger would help drop the goals allowed number, but would he dramatically help the goals per game number? If Pronger leaves, you know he would be replaced on the active roster by a guy like Cam Paddock.

Pronger would be a great addition to a team looking to bolster its backline for a Cup run. The Blues aren’t that team. I’m dying to get back to the playoffs, but I also remember year after year of getting bounced. I want a Cup. John Davidson and Co. came up with a plan to build around youth and cheaper players to position themselves for a legit Cup run. If the Blues were the second seed in the West, bring on Pronger. As the 12th seed, no. In a few years I hope the Blues do a move like this to put him over the top. As for now, stay the course.

by averagejoe on Mar 3, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No to Pronger for Perron

It just doesn’t make any sense…averagejoe said it all, I think…we have no business trading any offensive prospect for an over 30 defenseman, especially with all the defensemen we have…I might even think about it if we had an elite goalie, but since I don’t think that person is in the organization, at least right now, I can’t do it.

by tbell61 on Mar 3, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My question here is...

Why would the Ducks trade Pronger to any Western Conference team? Why improve the opposition? Us getting him improves us more than the Ducks getting Perron and a few picks.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. --Homer Simpson

by hildymac on Mar 3, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Alright! *and that's an angry, George Castanza 'alright,' not a hip-hip-hooray 'alright.'

Enough is e-freaking-nough. I forgot how frustrating it is in trade week when the team could be in buyer-mode. At least when the Blues were obvious sellers, we knew who’d be going and didn’t have to worry about the immediate implications.

Maybe I just can’t back talent or a winner (couldn’t stand Big Mac during the Record Run; liked Proehl more than Bruce/Holt), but in all honesty – I was never a big Pronger fan and was fine with him leaving – never could understand all the you-lost-us-Pronger vitriol toward Cpt. Roboto either. Yes, the dude can play, yes he’s gone to a couple of finals (remind me again – how much did he play in his last one after his suspensions?).

But right now, this team doesn’t need him. They’ll hit the post season on their own or they won’t. And that’s fine. Right now, the Blues are playing a very basic and effective style of defense to allow teams into the zone, keep them on the outside, sightlines free for Mason, sticks in the passing lanes and bodies in front of pucks. A stand-up defensemen can play that game (especially a tall bastard like Pronger) but can’t necessarily vastly improve that type of game. And the Blues can’t adapt this late in the season to a Pronger-focused stand-’em-up-and-break-out defense.

The Blues are in the tenerable position of not needing to do something at the deadline to appease the fans. They’ve been forthright with the fans, keeping them abreast of the re-building process and exhibiting wonderful judgment and better results. There will be no accusations from Blues fans (as there are from Cards fans) that trade inactivity is the owners being cheap and trying to line their wallets. We Blues fans – a loyal bunch – are happy to ride this season out with the players we have, because they are OUR players now – every one of them (even Crombeen, Steen, and Colaiacovo) and not just a money-name end-of-season add-on.

Pronger would provide some power, yes. And he can provide some offense. But he also gives the team a $6.25 million salary to deal with next year (and guess what…no way he re-signs nor could the Blues consider re-signing him). Furthermore, this is a young team with grit coming out of their skates and pride coming out of the noses. Pronged may be tenacious, but he’s not gritty. And say all you want about his time here in St. Louis – I admit he was pretty phenomenal – but those years then don’t automatically give him pride in the Note now and the players currently on the team who have will be able to tell that Pronger doesn’t.

Phew! In other news, I may not be on the thread tonight as there may be plans to watch the game at a bar in E-ville and do trivia and eat cheap tacos. Go Blues! Fuck Detroit! Say ‘No!’ to Pronger.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Mar 3, 2009 11:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't have said it better myself, Duke...

You have completely expressed my feelings re: a potential Pronger re-acquisition.

“You’re the Duke… you’re A-number-one…”

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Mar 3, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

S. Plissken says:

Nice quote, Mr. President.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Mar 3, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I surprisingly voted yes

I’d trade perron. You will have to constantly babysit him.

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by Answer Man on Mar 3, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Needless to say...

…I think you’re dead wrong, AM, but kudos to you for having the cojones to stand up and take what’s obviously not a popular position. I wouldn’t have expected anything less…

As either Patrick Henry or Voltaire (the quote’s been credited to both) once said, “I don’t agree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Mar 3, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on when Voltaire said it.

He was born 42 years earlier than Henry, so it’s more probable that Voltaire said it first. :)

by stlfan on Mar 3, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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Just more proof that our commenters are smarter than us.

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by Brad Lee on Mar 3, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, we are.

Can someone give me a “zing!”?

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Mar 3, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ZING!

Oh wait… fuck.

SWYD

by gallagher on Mar 3, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks B

I was never a real fan of his. I do like his style of play but Brad nailed it (that isn’t what she said) about his decision making. Also, as Captain he didn’t seem to wear the STL/Blues Banner and gush about things. Similar knock on Brewer right now (besides the bad back).

WERD To the 3rd.

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by Answer Man on Mar 3, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say, yes, but not at any price...

I’d say a pick and a legit prospect (say Cole, but not Petro). Now, I’m sure Anaheim would want someone who could play right away, but we don’t have that kind of depth on the NHL roster. Perron’s upside is way too high to be packaged with a pick and a prospect.

I just dont think we have the ability to do this.

by Rich of GASL on Mar 3, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

How abouts we trade...

Brewer for Pronger? I’m all for it. Hell, I’ll throw in Tkachuk.

by stlfan on Mar 3, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Done

and done.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Mar 3, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonton fans think that would be hilarious

by Dooks on Mar 4, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said no to the question at hand.

As much as I liked the Tall Gap-Toothed Wonder when he was with us, we do not need him now. Especially if the price is going to be THAT ridiculous. Grab a flyer, crumple it and throw it in the garbage. Those days are over.

And I regret to inform y’all that I won’t be in tonight. It’s two-fold: 1) I’ve seen the Note play Detroit three times this season, and they lost all three times. And 2) I’m going to a high school basketball game in the Former State Capital of Illinois instead (AMERICA’S ORIGINAL MARCH MADNESS FTW!). Y’all party hard without me, but leave the futon alone – it’s important.

FUCK DETROIT!

"The world is getting to be such a dangerous place, a man is lucky to get out of it alive." -- W.C. Fields

by Donut King on Mar 3, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kaskaski?

Is there even a gymnasium there? Let alone a high school?

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by TheDuke32 on Mar 3, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*Kaskaskia

The ORIGINAL original state Capitol. And possibly funnest name to say ever. Kaskaskia….Kaskaskia…Kaskaskia…

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by TheDuke32 on Mar 3, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if there's even a school in that town.

No, I’ll be going to the other Former Illinois State Capital. Vandalia was capital from about 1820 to about 1840 or so.

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by Donut King on Mar 3, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A quick wikipedia check shows the population of Kaskaskia proper a nine…that’s right…single-digits. So no, no school. Its history is interesting though, especially the way the Mississippi gradually turned it into a west-bank town while still technically being part of Illinois. Missouri stole our Capitol!

As a Southern Illinoisan and a Randolph County-an for most of my life (Prairie du Rocher -represent!), I love all those historical quirks. Incidentally, read the Prairie du Rocher cwikipedia page and the New York Times story linked at the bottom. It fills me with so much pride to read about my town’s actions and subterfuge to save itself during 1993.

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by TheDuke32 on Mar 3, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Former State Capital of Illinois

Too bad Blago’s cuts won’t let you visit the Vandalia Capital, DK.

PS – We’re all fartin’ on the futon

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Mar 3, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Blago's cuts closed down Fort des Chartres, too...

…but you can still get into the fort and walk around and check it out; it’s pretty nifty, and you don’t have guides telling you “don’t climb on that” or “don’t climb down in that hole.”

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Mar 3, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't remind me.

That place was amazing when I was a kid (and still is, for that matter) to have all that history right there to essentially use as my playground. My first solo bike ride (at 7, if you can believe a kid could have that much freedom) was up to the Fort, down the levees to the Modoc Ferry and back to town on Bluff Road. I learned to drive early in the parking lot at the Fort. Hell, my first “date” was – you guessed it – Haunted Fort at Fort de Chartres. Oddly enough, despite living in Prairie du Rocher for 18 years, I’ve only been to the Rendezvous 4 or 5 times.

Maybe Governor 2 will re-appropriate funds. My aunt is on the Preservation Committee and PdR Chamber of Commerce and is calling/sending letters twice a week…just like Andy Dufreyne.

Oh. I forgot. Hockey blog. My bad.

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by TheDuke32 on Mar 3, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Won't be around tonight

Got me some upper bowl tickets tonight. I intend to leave my voice there.

Fuck Detroit

by Poor College Student on Mar 3, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Me too, PCS.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Mar 3, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I admit I liked when Pronger was here, but this team I like better. This talk of trading Perron and a first round and a conditional?! Not with this team, On the news last night they had a bit with Murry talking about the upcoming TD and he says he likes this team we have now, so while he may be harsh on the boy I dont think he wants to change anything with what we’ve got now. Now my dad has said if this team makes it to the playoffs Murry should get coach of the year. I agree, what this team has done this year given all the injuries we’ve suffered through has created a team that really knows how to work with each other given how young the team is I think adding another old fart like pronger is gonna screw with that chemistry. I also would like to Walt to stay here, Fragile Jay can head off though. As for your guy’s favorite scapegoat Brewer, I’d like to see him after he gets back from the injury, who knows how long he was playing hurt.

by TLMotorsport on Mar 3, 2009 3:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

if this team makes it to the playoffs Murry should get coach of the year

it’d be deserved, but Boston’s Claude Julien has it locked. last year he took a 14th place team to 8th and the playoffs, though barely, and this year that 8th place team is 1st. the voting especially favors him if the Bruins have a long run in the playoffs

by Dooks on Mar 4, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes (yes yes)

i say if the blues are looking to make the playoffs THIS SEASON then they need to make a move like this. scouts said when erik johnson was drafted that he had the potential to be like the “next chris pronger”… who better to guide the “next chris pronger’s” nhl career than chris pronger himself.

by nadroj92 on Mar 3, 2009 5:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not via trade

Wait a year and see what the price is or better still, wait until the end of 09-10 when he’s a UFA.

by briandunne on Mar 3, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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