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The Case Against Paul Kariya

[This article originally appeared in the Apr. 10 issue of St. Louis Game Time.]

By Chris Gift

I rooted for Detroit last night, and I still feel very, very impure for doing it. If damaging Nashville's hopes for the playoffs came down to rooting for Detroit or slow dancing with Rev. Larry Rice, I'd have headed over to 14th & Locust wearing the finest $5 suit I could find. 

While you attempt to purge that image from your head, I'm sure you remember the scene in Hoosiers when one of the players on Hickory fouls out. Instead of sending his only sub, Coach Norman Dale tells the referee "my team is on the court," and they play with four. That's my take about Paul Kariya's future with the Blues.

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You know what Coach Dale would do with the Kariya situation.

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Since Kariya's injury during the team's 11th game (the Blues were 5-6-0 with Kariya), the Blues have transformed their roster from a group of veterans with intermingled young players to a group of young players with contributions from veterans.

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Eleven games into this season the top line was Brad Boyes (now with Andy McDonald and David Backes on the top line), Keith Tkachuk (now a 4th liner with Brad Winchester and Dan Hinote) and Kariya. Manny Legace was a number-one goalie. Lee Stempniak and Alex Pietrangelo were here.  We had no idea what a "Cole-e-ack-o-vo" was, and we all could have sworn that Alex Steen was a Fruit Euro. BJ Crombeen was a Dallas Star.

Hell, it was so long ago that Tkachuk was tied for second in the league in goals, and Berglund had a total of three points.

David Backes hadn't learned to lick his elbow yet. TJ Oshie had launched neither a political career, nor Rick Nash.

Those 2008-2009 Blues were more a hybrid of what the '07-08 Blues were, and not quite yet what these current Blues would become. They use the expression in college sports that once you get past a certain point in a season that Freshmen aren't Freshmen anymore. The kids that Kariya played with aren't kids anymore. Mason isn't a backup goalie anymore. The defensive crew is better. Jay McClement's career year has come with Kariya on the shelf.

Kariya has served his purpose in St. Louis. He was brought in as a "name" to show to the casual Joe St. Louis Sportsfan, who had lost interest in what the Blues were doing, that the Checketts group was intent on building a winner, and that a name like Kariya would put asses in the seats; and to an extent, he did.

In the fall of 2007, the Blues marketed the Whatever it Takes propaganda with Doug Weight, Legace and Kariya. Those three did whatever it took and it wasn't enough. Neither Weight nor Manny exited on their own terms, and it looks like Kariya isn't going to either.

Kariya isn't needed on the '08-'09 Blues, and he isn't needed as a part of the Blues anymore, period. His $6 million salary for next year is awfully steep for a player that will turn 35 in October and because of injury and declining talent has played 93 games with only 18 goals and 80 points in the past two seasons.

The NHL's Collective Bargaining Agreement states that any player may be bought out of his contract and become a free agent if the player's team pays the player 2/3 of the remaining contract. The salary cap hit is spread over twice the amount of years remaining in the contract. Translation: the Blues can get out of the Kariya mess by paying him $4 million over the summer, and it will only hurt the books for two years at $2 million per season.

But back to the current Kariya situation...sticking Kariya in there for one game, Sunday in Colorado, or seeing him in the playoffs doesn't seem to accomplish much. Clinched playoff spot or not, Kariya will be rusty, the team will be pressing to help Kariya fit in, and somebody will have to sit. It isn't a good idea at first glance, and the more glances that are taken at it, it becomes worse and worse of an idea.

One more final point, and please don't imply any "I'm not here to talk about the past" notions here. I'm merely comparing what happened on the respective fields of play as each athlete approached the end of their career.

I'm not sure of the year, but one season when Mark McGwire was hurt (2000 or 2001 if I remember correctly), the Cardinals would have him lead off on the road and "play" second base so he could get an at-bat against live pitching, then Fernando Vina would pinch run if he reached base, and take his place in the field. It was bizarre.

I almost see a parallel here. Kariya isn't what he was, which, like McGwire was previously great. The team he was on was clearly looking to the future. The Tino Martinez debacle aside, Albert Pujols was clearly the first baseman in waiting, while Teej Oshie, Patrik Berglund, David Perron, Aaron Palushaj, Lars Eller and others are the future of this franchise.

Kariya won't help the Blues win a series in the '09 playoffs if he plays. If he doesn't play it may help the Blues win a playoff series in years to come.

I can't believe I'm saying it, but it looks like I'll be seeing you again in about ten days, after three road games.

 

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its a tough decision, whether to fiddle with a team’s chemistry at this point in the year.. especially on a team like the Blues where a good chunk of the roster is young guys and second-chance cast-offs/call-ups, and chemistry and mentality is key. This is the same reason Andy Murray hasn’t altered the lineup or the lines (for the most part) over the last couple months.

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by cold on Apr 11, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

We know it's gonna happen

It’s just a question of who he replaces….

by hisTALLness on Apr 11, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree that this team does not need Kariya now

but next year, who knows? Will Kariya be the same player he was 5 years ago? Probably not. Is Tkachuk the same player he was years ago? No. Is he an integral part of the team and a big reason for their current success? Yep.

So saying that Kariya couldn’t be a key part of next year’s team isn’t something I’m ready to do.

As for fiddling with lineups… I think that AM is smart enough to know that he’s got a good thing right now, and messing with it would be wrong. BUT… this is Kariya, a player who he has a special relationship with. So who knows.

(A healthy I’ve-got-something-to-prove Kariya as a replacement for an injured forward during the playoffs? Bring it on!!)

by Mr. Particle on Apr 11, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Kariya

I think we have an inteligent coaching staff. They can watch Karia at practice and see if he is too rusty. If he is dont play him. The man is a world class player and will be 35 next year. This is not ancient in the NHL today. As to if he plays next year or is traded depends what you can get for him and how good he is on his new hips. A talented veteran forward with the ability to score goals is badly needed on the present team (or any team). Not a good idea to write him off now. Hardhat. Blues W14 in Stanley playoffs.

by hoozis on Apr 11, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Will ya?

By the way Gallagher, if you are wrong about Kariya will you agree to go 10 rounds with his sister ?

by hoozis on Apr 12, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't write this article, I just posted it for you all.

Not my opinion.

Ten rounds against his sister? No way, no matter the bet. I have enough angry females in my life as it is.

by gallagher on Apr 12, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

You do know ??

She is more than an angry female. You do know that she is a pro boxer ?

by hoozis on Apr 12, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

hence the “10 rounds” mention? yes we know

"I'm sorry we hurt their feelings"
-Barret Jackman

by Dooks on Apr 13, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

PK puts the puck in the net,

if he is heathly and ready he will help this team immensely.

by notyoucoach on Apr 11, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

The question is if he is healthy...

…and I mean really healthy. A Kariya at 90% is not worth upsetting team chemistry.

But at 100%? Sheesh, he did have 15 points in 11 games.

Now, one could question if he could be at 100% considering how long he’s been out, but that is a another question. I’m putting a healthy Kariya in.

by Rich of GASL on Apr 11, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Dan Hinotes's take
“People will talk about, ‘Is he going to be ready? Is he going to be up to speed? Is he going to ruin the team chemistry?’” Blues forward Dan Hinote said. “I think that’s a joke. He’s a world-class player, a phenomenal teammate and he’s a big part of this team. Even when he’s hurt, he’s a big part of this team. It’s not like a guy like that is going to come in and all of the sudden things are going to fall apart.”

by Rich of GASL on Apr 11, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

but what does Dan say off the record? No one is going to dis a fellow teammate in the press.

by spectr17 on Apr 11, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now, one could question if he could be at 100% considering how long he’s been out, but that is a another question. I’m putting a healthy Kariya in.

That’s my fear — that they put him in because he’s Paul Kariya and he comes in rusty/out of sorts and botches things up. That’s a looong layoff from top-flight hockey. But I’ll trust their assessment. Gaborik came back from Vail hip surgery on fire, and Kariya is a workout fiend, apparently.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 11, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

PK is a gym rat.

We’re talking hips though too. Gaborik’s groin is about same for comeback? Rehab time? I’m out of my lane on medical shit.

by spectr17 on Apr 11, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gaborik had a hip surgery dealyhoo (that’s straight from my med textbook), fixing a supposedly congenital hip thing that will supposedly prevent his groin injuries from coming back.

Like Kariya, Gaborik was expected to miss the rest of this season after hip surgery but managed to come back sooner. Of course, three Islanders (Sillinger/DiPietro/Comrie) had hip surgeries (also in Vail) of varying degrees of severity, with varying results. DiPietro’s is a little misleading — his hip was fine, it’s his knee that submarined the season.

That’s the extent of my misinformation. I’d find a link but … yeah, lazy.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 13, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

a few practice sessions will tell if he fits in or not. if he gels with the current chemistry this is how I see the lines:

McDonald-Backes-Boyes
Kariya-Berglund-Perron
Oshie-McClement-Crombeen
Winchester-Tkachuk-Steen/Hinote

(Steen and Hinote being swapped out game-to-game at the Goblin’s will)

"I'm sorry we hurt their feelings"
-Barret Jackman

by Dooks on Apr 11, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

PK hasn't been right since he got KOed by Stevens

There was a time though that PK and Teemu had the magic, they were a joy to watch. One Ducks game I saw PK do something I’ve never seen another forward do to this day. PK was flying down LW and mid stride he tapped the puck on edge at the blue line and slapped a nasty knuckleball that dipped on the goalie and went in. Several us of tried to emulate that play and found it almost impossible just to keep the puck in the right position while tapping it, let alone getting off a slapper at full speed.

Now for the dings. PK gets knocked off the puck too easy now and he just doesn’t have that pizzaz he had with Teemu when he was with the Ducks. He’s a decent 2nd line player but not at the salary he is commanding these days.

Time to turn the page on PK and trade him. We should have traded him before he got hurt when we could have scored 2 up and comers that would have fit in his salary

As far as playing him in the playoffs, start him out in the 4rth line and see if he is ready to do battle. Let him earn the top spot back, the way it should be.

Ducks just tied PHX back up 4-4, early turd period.

by spectr17 on Apr 11, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

doing the scoreboard watchin in the “game that doesn’t matter” post

"I'm sorry we hurt their feelings"
-Barret Jackman

by Dooks on Apr 11, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

anyone else remember when chopper tried to come back in the playoffs after that eye injury that decomissioned him for most of the year? it wasnt pretty and he made a few really bad plays that, perhaps, had he been healthy he wouldnt have made.

as for who he’d replace, itd have to come down to winchester, crombeen or steen, theres downsides for each choice though. the mcclement, steen, crombeen line has been really good together for the past 2 months, but winchester has been a shark killer this year.

by bzgea2 on Apr 11, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

So, it could be Blues vs Canucks in round 1. Hmmm.

by Sean Zandberg on Apr 11, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Quality
David Backes hadn’t learned to lick his elbow yet. TJ Oshie had launched neither a political career, nor Rick Nash.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 11, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I felt the same way when I read that..

Whatever it takes?

by JoMilla on Apr 11, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me just say that...

Sixth is bettter than seventh is better than eighth…let’s finish as high as we can…everybody (including me) counted this team out around MLK day…let’s pound Colorado and go to Vancouver…sounds good to me!

by tbell61 on Apr 11, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Ever since we got Kariya everyone around me says how he was a waste of money and is pathetic. He might not have scored a lot of goals but he sure as hell was a great playmaker and he had a lot of assist. There still is the question whether or not if he’s 100% healthy but remember when Mcdonald came back from his injury? He was getting points almost everynight. I think having kariya in the line up in the playoffs will help the blues.

by KB042685 on Apr 12, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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