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Too Much Luongo

It's a shame that these two teams are first round opponents, because (while clearly biased) I think these have been some of the most contentious games of the playoffs. Tonight was no different as the teams banged the living hell out of each other up and down the ice.

In the end, as we all know, one really terrible poke-in goal, one Mattias Ohlind shot that just beat the pads of Chris Mason and one well-played bank shot put the Canucks too far ahead of the Blues.

Some random thoughts from the game:

  • Just me, or did Andy McDonald look pretty relieved to finally avoid hitting a post when he scored?
  • Someone asked me why TJ Oshie has been quiet this series. My theory: Oshie plays every game up-tempo and every shift hell-bent for election. In the playoffs, everyone plays that way, making him look like everyone else. The big question: does he have another gear he can go to? If not, this playoff experience will be invaluable to teaching him how he has to change his game come April.
  • Another random comment from a sectionmate tonight: Do you think the Canucks are just a better team? Personally, I think the teams are pretty evenly matched. I predicted the games (minus empty-netters) would be one-goal games in almost every match. Two out of three so far.
  • Related to that question, I think the difference in the series so far is Luongo, no question. The Canucks are gettinmg gritty playoff hockey out of every man, to be sure, but Luongo has made a handful of saves that virtually no other goalie makes in the same position.
  • Game four is Tuesday. Say what you will, but I'll be there and I plan on having a great time with my rink family, no matter the outcome of the game.

Let's go Blues.

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GREAT last bullet

They lose, eh. What’s new. Only one team finishes the postseason with a win.

Part of me says this season has wore me out. Part of me says I want to use more playoff tickets we bought.

I’ll be there Tuesday.

www.stlouisgametime.com

by Brad Lee on Apr 19, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey guys, Canucks fan here saying tough loss for you guys

But since I read the terms of service my first comment is:

I cannot stand the Detroit Red Wings in any way, shape, or form!

Seattle: Where the sun coming out or snow falling takes up 20 minutes of a 1 hour local news broadcast.

by SSreporters on Apr 19, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice game, Blues came out flying and got the early goal. I was very very worried at the Canucks chances shorthanded with Mitchell in the box, and Ohlund looking up at the jumbotron because he couldn’t figure out what he did to get sent off.

But yeah, lots of hits, best games yet in the playoffs.

The second goal was nice to see.. good to see McDonald take the extra two feet he needed to get the puck over Luongo’s leg. Mason just looked weak on the five-hole.

by Shazbot on Apr 19, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Luongo was the difference in game two...

But tonight the difference was really special teams. In terms of shot difficulty, I’d say Luongo had it tougher in game two. But St. Louis went 0 for 6, and Vancouver got three powerplay goals.

As they say, your goalie is your best penalty killer, but I thought the Canucks’ penalty killers were outstanding, and were ultimately responsible for the win.

by dbarefoot on Apr 19, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. Tonight wasn’t on Luongo so much as the suddenly poor special teams. The goals against were some misfortune, not a bad PK. But the PP, egads. So. Damn. Tentative. Maybe some of that hesitation is due to wanting the perfect chance on Luongo, but regardless they did not run it wisely like the unit we watched all season.

But they’ve given us more than we could hope for this season, given the circumstances, including three well-fought playoff games so far. I suspect they have more in them yet.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 19, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man that hurt, royal nut stompin

B+ for Blues effort, we need the A team though. Nucks are so close to blowing each game, they won’t make it far IF they do manage to get past us.

For the love of god, where is the PP? If our PP would just fire on 6 cylinders we’d be talking a sweep of these cheap shots.

Slumpbuster or human sacrifice, take your pick. Whatever it takes.

Bobby Sue? He’s good at best, the god hype is just that, all Kool-Aid coming out of Nuckland. Watch him squirm when we get the puck near the goal line. We still haven’t exploited that weakness. Hello MUR, set up the umbrella and pump em like aunt Ethyl used to get it every Christmas

This ain’t over yet. The Blues wanna play with their backs to the wall, well, they can’t paint themselves into the corner any better than now.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Good at best?

News of Luongo’s greatest just coming out of the Canucks camp, eh?

“We don’t have somebody taking his eyes away,” Backes said. “He’s one of the best, if not the best in the world but we need to take his vision away. He can’t stop what he can’t see.” (http://bit.ly/gJiVx)

by dbarefoot on Apr 19, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

God like goalies don't give up goals in the playoffs

while their team scrambles in the last minutes to hold on for dear life..

Your time contending for the cup will be short lived.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Luongo is among the best in the world...

Luongo is, by consensus, among the top three goalies in the world. Sports writers, coaches, players and pundits say this all the time—Backes is just one of many examples. If you need proof of this, try searching for, say, “nhl rankings goalies” and seeing how frequenting Luongo appears at the top of the list. He’ll certainly be one of Canada’s goalies at the Olympics next year.

If you want to disparage Luongo, feel free, but you’re tilting at windmills. I’m not claiming that he is, as you put it, a ‘god’. He’s just a very good goalie.

by dbarefoot on Apr 20, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think the Canucks are just a better team?

Yes I do.

That being said, I was crapping my pants when the Blues won that last game against the Avs. The closeness of each game justifies my fear.
I do not credit Luongo with stealing any of the games. He has not had to be brilliant. If the Blues are 3 for 20 on the PP, instead of 1/20 (or whatever), this series is probably 2-1 Blues.

by Temujin on Apr 19, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Better on paper maybe

But we’re stride for stride with your supposed “Better” team.

Make sure and pay the ref on the way out.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d say Luongo’s performance had a good deal to do with holding off the Blues PP earlier in the series; not so much tonight. Even if he didn’t make a boatload of crazy saves, he stole a few certain goals (damn toe!) in each game.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 19, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yes

That toe save was very good, indeed.

I do not think Mason has “shit the bed” though. Perhaps the five-hole goal tonight from Ohlund could have been stopped? That save on Kesler’s breakaway late tonight was excellent positioning and anticipation.

by Temujin on Apr 19, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no, no shitting the bed in this series*. It’s been inches. That Ohlund goal, I think Mason was stunned it went by (as was I) because it looked like the top of his bad was all the way down to the ice, and it looked like the puck hit the top of his pad, yet found a singularity and proceeded on through to the net.

*Well, I suppose primates Bieksa and Mitchell shit where they sleep, but that’s a different issue entirely.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 19, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Powerplay = the difference

http://www.stlouisgametime.com/

by cold on Apr 20, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oshie

That’s an interesting point on Oshie. Something worth watching. Every kid has to make some adjustment like that.

On that note, Perron has really impressed me. The spin and pass tonight was sheer brilliance and took the Canucks D off guard. He has fought through checks all series. And he’s put up with typical playoff taunts and crap from guys like Johnson (previously our erstwhile colostomy bag, now a filthy ’Nuck colostomy bag) without batting an eye.

If any kid was going to do a little youthful wilting in the playoffs, I’d have thought it would be Perron. But he’s shown he doesn’t have Playoff Perimeter Pavol in him.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 19, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

PerOWNED stepped up 2nite

The Wheel N Deal was a sign of the magic to come from his hands.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Magic to come” yes yes. His cross-ice pass on the powerplay tonight, too (I forgot who one-timed it to hit either the post or Luongo’s toe or both). Nobody else had the guts to make that pass through the seam tonight, and that was the closest they came to a PP goal, if I recall.

Lighthouse Hockey: Side effects may include Weight gain and frequent game loss.

by Dominik on Apr 19, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

DP makes that "Oh shit" pass that goalies and D men hate

We need more of them from behind that net like like that.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm proud we made it this far.

And there’s no question they’re competing.

But Vancouver is playing physical, aggressive, disciplined hockey, and it helps to know who you have in net.

I’d love to win Tuesday, but I’m not counting on it.

Let’s learn from this and build on it going into next year.

by BoylenOver on Apr 19, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Even if they get the blues on a 4-and-out, Vancouver’s going to remember St. Louis for a long time.

If you want the rainbow then you've got to put up with the rain. Do you know which "philosopher" said that? Dolly Parton. And people say that she's just a big pair of tits.

by TheFantasyFiles on Apr 19, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me...

…or is Vancouver really that much faster than the Blues? They are absolutely everywhere on the ice, and the only ones who have either managed to keep up with them (McDonald) or match their physical game (Backes) are the same ones keeping the offensive threat afloat.

Both Perron and Oshie have had strong a strong week, but I think that you nailed the observation (at least on Oshie’s end) that this is just what they do when they clock in for work.

If nothing else, the Blues are getting 4 games worth of hard experience for a list of guys who are the cornerstone of the rebuilding. Erik Johnson is the only one missing out on the party, but I don’t think he’ll have the same growing pains that the bottom half of the Blueliners are having now.

If you want the rainbow then you've got to put up with the rain. Do you know which "philosopher" said that? Dolly Parton. And people say that she's just a big pair of tits.

by TheFantasyFiles on Apr 19, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

NO SPACE for the Blues

They don’t have any time or room anywhere on the ice. That’s the difference to me.

www.stlouisgametime.com

by Brad Lee on Apr 19, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile

The Canucks are able to walk and pass where they want on their PP. We’re constantly having to throw it around the boards and then win a loose puck.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Apr 20, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on the lack of ice time for Berglund?

I know he hasn’t been very impressive during this series and seems a bit lost out there, but he’s not getting much playoff experience sitting on that bench. He needs to be on the PP with that rocket.

by oic on Apr 19, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Bergs looked strong I thought and then he disappeared?

Did his ice time go down in late 2nd and turd period?

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only played 11 minutes. Only guys with less ice time were Crombeen & Janssen.

by oic on Apr 19, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

about the kids...

this is just my observation, but I’m thinking that the kids do have another “playoff level” but it may take many years before they can tap into it. The reason I say this is because players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg who are now considered forces by scoring goals and doing all that shit they are supposed to in the playoffs also committed the same “disappearing act” in the playoffs a few years ago when they were still kids.

Sure this doesn’t help us out now, but don’t freak out because there is still the future.

FUCK DETROIT IN EYEBALLS

"I want to fucking break it. I want to crush you from the inside."~ Static X
"Turned into a monster I'm a motherfucker!!!" ~ Static X

by Carnie on Apr 19, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Osh

Good theory on Oshie. i said the exact same thing to averagejoe on the way home from the game tonight. maybe osh is going normal osh speed, and now everyone else is just going osh speed, too.

Next book in the children's series: "Nate the Great figures out how the fuck to score on Greasy Bob Luongo."

by NateTheGreat. on Apr 19, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions  

while I'm not holding my breath...

but if any team can overcome a 3-0 deficet, its the same one that went from 15th to sixth like the blues did.

Long Live The King!

by nks on Apr 19, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions  

We came back from 3 down in 72 against them cocksuckers from MN

It wouldn’t be the first miracle the Blues’ have had.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine our PP clicking.

Now imagine Canuck fan in the corner sucking their thumbs and flicking the light switch on and off

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 19, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

CRAP!

While the drive down wasn’t so bad…living an hour and a half north of StL sucks to drive home after that loss. At least we didn’t sit next to any Canuck fans…or maybe that’s a bad thing since my husband was out for blood.
Even with six seconds remaining…I didn’t lose faith and I still have it for Game 4. Let’s Go Blues

by Bluesfan7 on Apr 19, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Wish I could say the same...

I blew a tire on the interstate about 25 miles outside of St. Louis. Cost me $100 and we missed about 15 minutes of the first.

Not a good first playoff game for me.

I am The One Who Shall Remain Avatar-less.

by Classic17 on Apr 20, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey all.
Canucks fans have been used to seeing Luongo let in goals throught the 5 hole this season, but tonight Mason let in 2 that were unacceptable. Between that and the Blues’ failure with the PP, that’s the end of it.
It’s crazy though. I thought the Blues had this one earlier on.

by Sean Zandberg on Apr 20, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Weak 5 hole

Definitely agree on the Sedin goal. Although it took the whole defense to not clear that puck in addition to Mason’s weak play. Took the whole team to let in that one.

On the first VAN (down by the river) goal, it looked like Mason’s legs were shut, but that it still managed to have enough on it to squirt through his left pad. I’ve never played hockey so I wouldn’t know enough about leg pad stiffness and “heavy shots” so if anyone knows or has an opinion, answer me this:

Should Mason have been “more” closed in his butterfly stance or was that just a “puck with eyes”?

by Poor College Student on Apr 20, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sean, saw you mentioned Luongo as ‘Dodongo’ in the game thread the other day. If that were true, at least then they’d know how to beat him (bombs to the mouth).

The power play is bad right now. The dump-in to gain possession does not work. The 3-2 umbrella is the opposition’s best PK-er, as the Blues waste more time working the puck around the top than putting shots on goal. My suggestion in the second period was to – gasp! – work it down low, draw the crease defenders, make a quick back-of-net pass to Boyes and either: (a) let him walk out for a snap shot, or (b) have him make a one-time pass into the lane for a cutting center (because Luongo has proven he’s susceptible to this). Problem solved! Pay me my money, Checketts.

Other than that, I think Perron needs more ice time. He’s proven so far that he’s not in awe or in effective because of the playoff atmosphere. Let the guy open up his trick bag because god knows he wants to.

Oh and Blues? You’re not a solid enough team to sit and protect your early leads. All your success this season has come from tenacious offensive tunnel-vision. All of your blown leads have come from protect-mode.

Ever Faithful…Blues in 7.
Other than that

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Apr 20, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Blues in 7

Nuck fan can kiss my rosy STL arse

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 20, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better get to sleep kid, its a school day tomorrow and you don’t wanna screw up grade 6…

by Nuckels on Apr 20, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pucker up buttercup

Let er rip tater chip

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Apr 20, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sean who? I never called Luongo that. I will say that the Blues lack a bonafide sniper from the point. Sure, they try working it down low but that has failed all series long.
When Luongo plays like this the only way to beat him is quickly top shelf like the Blues did on their goals tonight or by screening him with a point shot. I’m just not seeing the Blues get enough adequate point shots through on their powerplays. If Brewer and Johnson were playing I’d probably be saying otherwise.

by Sean Zandberg on Apr 20, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

We get Erik Johnson back next year . . .

that is, unless he decides to go golfing between now and then.

"The world is getting to be such a dangerous place, a man is lucky to get out of it alive." -- W.C. Fields

by Donut King on Apr 20, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing that I have seen is Van’s D-men ability to make that first outlet pass to get out of the zone, and the Blues inability to get a hard puck pursuit because of it.

by Blue-in-LA on Apr 20, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Even if the Blues don't win this series,

don’t you all think it’s a good thing we made the playoffs? Valuable experience for the young guys, plus it’ll only be better next year with EJ, Brewer, and Kariya back.

by WebUKid on Apr 20, 2009 1:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I Thought the Blues Played a good Game,I realy Never Expected the Canucks To Win after that first period…

by Canuckfan101 on Apr 20, 2009 3:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Power Play thoughts

So, I was pondering what the Blues should do on the power play. I wish we still had MacInnis…a real threat from the point that could also keep the puck in the zone and play defense with the best of them. What I would like to do is sit two men in front of the goal for traffic, making the Canucks buckle down in front; place one man in each slot (outside of the faceoff circles) and one man at the point. I think that the physicality of having two men in front might draw even more 5 on 3s (since we’ve had 3 in two games) and it would lead to more soft goals or tip-ins. I just don’t know that we have a point man capable of doing what I’d like here. Oshie and/or Colaiacovo would be the closest to it, but neither is there quite yet. Erik Johnson next year, anyone?

by stlfan on Apr 20, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

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