Tuesdays With Hildy: Where's the Beef?
Rivalry makes sports fun. You can have a rivalry that ends in people beating other people because of their license plate like the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees, or you can have a polite rivalry like the Cubs and the Cardinals, who admittedly hate each other but who still manage to be fairly cordial about it.
The NHL has not been around as long as most major league baseball teams, but there has still been ample time to build up some rivalries - Boston/Montreal comes to mind. A good many of these are cross-state or cross-region things like the Rangers and Devils (do the Isles have a rival anymore?) or the Ducks and the Kings. Rivalries were easier to generate in days when there were fewer teams - the Blackhawks and the Red Wings are pretty much a lock in the rivalry department. Expansion brought the Flyers/Penguins cross-Pennsylvania battle.
The conference and divisional re-alignments of 1981 brought the Blues from the Smythe Division to the Norris Division. They brought baggage.
Nothing Good's Come from Chicago But a Musical.
Oddly enough, the Blackhawks are the reason we're the St. Louis Blues and not the Baltimore whatchamacallzits. During the 1967 expansion, the Wirtz family lobbied the NHL to give a franchise to us because of the regional component... and because they owned the Arena and needed someone to play there. Like most dysfunctional family relationships, it stands to reason that we grew to despise those who were most responsible for our creation.
From 1974 to the end of the 1980-1981 season, the Blues and the Blackhawks were divisional rivals in the Smythe Division along with the Scouts, North Stars, Canucks, and with the moving of the Scouts, the Colorado Rockies. Geographically speaking, which two teams are the closest to each other? Yep. St. Louis and Chicago. There was already the underlying Cardinals/Cubs rivalry, so this was a natural fit for Blues fans to dislike the 'Hawks. How do you get riled up about someone a few time zones away, like Vancouver? No one cares about hockey in Kansas City, despite what Charles Wang wants you to believe. The North Stars? Really? How do you hate someone from Minnesota?
On top of the regional issue, you have the playoff series record and divisional championship record. Between the Smythe and Norris divisions, the Blackhawks have 4 division championships in the Smythe to our one during the regular season, and in the Norris they have 6 playoff divisional championships to our one. It's rough. Records and divisions both taken into account, we have lots of reasons to dislike the Blackhawks. They have been a pain in our ass for longer than the Wings, and have been a stumbling block to our playoff success more often as well.
Their fans are also quite irritating. The old-school Hawks fans could be seen falling from the railings of the Arena. The new school Hawks fans are bandwagon fans who hopped off the White Sox wagon when they realized that they weren't going to win another Series any time soon, and the Bulls were in a long-term dry spell... and the Cubs aren't even worth it. One winning season and now the Hawks are the next great hockey dynasty. Let's see if that's still true a few years into Hossa's deal. Some Hawks fans are actually tolerable and know what they're talking about, which makes the rivalry a good one... and a sense of humor and a game day newspaper helps too.
Everything Else in Detroit's Falling Apart... Why Can't They?
As much as I hate to just despise the Wings because they're good, I admit that plays into it a lot. No one likes a team that seems to win every freaking year - no one really likes the Yankees, do they? There's a sense of jealousy there to be sure, but also a sense of irritation. What gives this team the right to lord their new "Hockeytown" nickname over the rest of the league, when no one would show up during the '80s drought known as the "Dead Things" era. As is often the case with teams going through a dry spell (and it was true with the Blues as well), a strong new ownership group turns stuff around, hires people who know what the hell's going on, and start making a commitment to winning. The Wings have a strong farm system, and despite the apparent mass exodus from Detroit this year (and not by just the players - *nudge nudge*) they didn't lose anyone that's going to hurt the team. It's just so frustrating that the salary cap era doesn't seem to really bother them. They were excellent without Hossa, and their inability to re-sign him probably didn't hurt them one bit.
The Blues have had less issues with the Wings than the 'Hawks divisionally speaking. Really, it just stands to reason then that our issue with the Wings stems not from just their general ability to manage to win every year. It stems from something we deal with one-on-one. It stems from something that we're over-exposed to.
I am not one to rag on a team's fans. I've been "the other guy" at the arena, and I've always been heckled - but maintained my dignity and been polite. I've never overstepped my bounds and ragged on the other team, and I hate it when I see away fans heckled for supporting *their* hometown squad. But when the away fans go out of their way to be obnoxious without provocation (Buffalo Sabres fans who I have seen picking on little 8 year old kids, I'm looking at YOU), then I have an issue. Those fans make me dislike the team. I have no reason to hate the Sabres, but I dread the two times a year I'm exposed to Buffalo fans who overrun the arena down here. Leafs fans overrun Philips too, but I don't hate them. I don't hate their team - they've always been more than nice, polite, and knowledgeable.
I can't say the same thing about a lot of Red Wings fans. They have no sense of humor, and they have worse PMS attacks than the girls in my college sorority. They say that they just "expect the best." Year in, year out, they're used to it. But that doesn't give them the right to cry constantly about little things. That doesn't explain the complete and total lack of humor they have. But hey, maybe actually having to work and experience highs and lows with a team give you an ability to laugh at yourself. Some people get spoiled by success, and admit it - it can make them pretty insufferable sometimes.
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St. Louis and Baltimore and Expansion
While I would absolutely have LOVED to have the Baltimore Clippers as an NHL team (hey having the Blues is a nice 2nd place award), another part of the reason that Baltimore did not get an NHL team was OUR arena. Quite simple, it’s a piece of shit. When the NHL Board of Governors came to Baltimore, they were turned off by the arena, and inadvertently had the team go to St. Louis.
Baltimore Blast - 6-time MISL/NISL Champions
Let's go Blues!
Wow . . .
I was having the same discussion with a new employee here, who happens to originally hail from Michigan.
The reasons why I can stand him being a Red Wings fan? 1) Well, he’s from there, and he had the common sense to get the fuck out, obviously . . . 2) He actually rooted for them back in the day, too (and therefore is aware of who Gordie Howe and Steve Yzerman are), and 3) One of his first days at work, he wore a Detroit Lions shirt, which after the season THEY had last year takes more dedication and balls (and possibly a bit of craziness) than I could ever fathom gathering up.
Plus, we both don’t like the Blackhawks, and I’ve always despised Chicago more than Detroit anyway.
"The world is getting to be such a dangerous place, a man is lucky to get out of it alive." -- W.C. Fields
I really screwed the pooch on this one.
No clue why the poll and the photo didn’t post with the article… weird.
Anyway, that’s why I can tolerate some Wings fans too… and some Hawks fans. Really, for me, what kills it is the bandwagon people. If you’re from the city, fine – and if you’re from the city and actually cheered for that team when they sucked, even better. But don’t hop on a team’s bandwagon because they win a Cup/World Series/Super Bowl/Whatever.
Sox fans? I’m looking at YOU.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
Blackhawks Eat Dick
’Nuff said.
It has been said before but one of my rec league teams is considering new jerseys. If we go “blackhawks” I’ll quit on the spot.
North Co! North Co! North Co!
by Answer Man on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Can't hit a "rec" on mobile ...
But I will do so next time I’m on non-phone.
Hawks ARE a bunch of cock munchers.
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We all agree and hate Detroit
I picked Chicago, however. Yeah, we hate Detroit, rag on Detroit, piss on Detroit, my quote used to be ’Fuck Detroit"
but. . . .
Chicago plays a physical game, like the Blues, and thats A. More exciting and B. Makes for a much more heated rivalry game.
If you went to the games you know, the atmosphere is different when the Indian Faces come to town. You know there will be fight, furious hitting, and an extremely up-tempo game.
Although seeing Hossa swan dive in the corner last year was great, the STL v. DET games don’t hold a thread to the Blues-Hawks
If Detroit wasn’t such a pussy-riddled roster than I could vote for them, but I gotta go with Chicago.
You love/hate playing the wings with the score in mind. You love/hate playing the Hawks for reasons more aligned with old time hockey. The fisticuffs.
Great post hildy
"I quit because I didn't feel like the Detroit Lions had a chance to win. It just killed my enjoyment of the game."
-Barry Sanders
(Soon to be the Detroit RedWings - Henrik Zetterberg '11)
oops
I meant to mention my decision coming from team v team and not in a league sense.
I believe a rivalry to go well beyond the Standings, and of course high scoring games are exciting, i incinuated the Hawks-Blues games were better because they fight and don’t score. I need to take a page out of Answer Mans book and keep it short and sweet, as he said it as perfectly as possible.
"I quit because I didn't feel like the Detroit Lions had a chance to win. It just killed my enjoyment of the game."
-Barry Sanders
(Soon to be the Detroit RedWings - Henrik Zetterberg '11)
Danke.
And I totally agree… I always have more fun watching the Blues/Hawks games… but part of that is, I’m sure, the fact that we pwned the Hawks last season and kinda didn’t do so hot against Detroit. But Chicago has a team that’s a lot more enjoyable to watch in general. Like you said, they’re physical, but they’re also fast with some snipers.
Detroit has Holmstrom’s ass to play goal.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
I don't know who to mock more..
Hildy – for calling them the “Fliers” or Philly fans for being so illiterate that they’d never notice.
Actually, I’m just a little disappointed the Hawks only have 16% of the vote thus far and decided to stir it up a little.
Second City Hockey - Blackhawks, Beers, Beards & Blasphemy
This is what happens when you type at weird times on little sleep.
Thanks for catching the typo… I’m fairly OCD about stuff like that b/c it makes me look illiterate and stupid…
Like a Flyers fan. :D
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
Hockey-influenced illiteracy
I had a recent post where I sincerely meant to use the word “flier” but spelled it “flyer” and honestly couldn’t figure out why spellcheck didn’t like it. No sleep, too much hockey-phonics.
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It's ok.
I flip flop offense and offence and defense and defence now. Stupid reading too much TSN.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
So ... Hockey-Phonics ....
If you get hooked on those phonics, you go on the power play??
.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com
by CrossCheckRaise on Jul 30, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I dont know whats going on exactly
I despise the Hawks and you got my vote.
I hope you can find some comfort in that
"I quit because I didn't feel like the Detroit Lions had a chance to win. It just killed my enjoyment of the game."
-Barry Sanders
(Soon to be the Detroit RedWings - Henrik Zetterberg '11)
Blackhawks Eat Dick. So it is written, So it shall be done
Hands down the Blackhawks are the hated ones, the Snidely Whiplash for San Louie Blue fan.

Dum spiramus tuebimur
by spectr17 on Jul 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I am torn, torn like an old sweater.
Back in the early 90s, I would have said the Hawks every time. Belfour, Roenick. Chelios. Larmer. Goulet. Grimson. All fuckers. Every one. The St. Patrick’s Day Massacre the only season Scott Stevens was here pretty much cemented my hate for the Hawks.
And then they became a friggin’ joke. It’s been hard to stoke the fire with the feelings I have for Detroit.
It’s irrational. It’s nonsensical. It’s misguided. But I’m obsessed with the Blues beating the Wings. Under the current playoff system, it doesn’t make sense. Yet I get stoked more for a Wings game than Hawks game every time. Every time. I’ve only almost been in a fight after a game once. It was a Wings game. My wife got us uninvited from a luxury box for yelling at a Wings game. It doesn’t make sense.
www.stlouisgametime.com
Belfour … dead.
Roenick … dead.
Chelios … dead.
Larmer … dead.
Goulet … dead.
Grimson … dead.
/Bluto is right!
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing Good’s Come from Chicago But a Musical.

.... formerly "Tim" of StLouisGameTime.com
by CrossCheckRaise on Jul 28, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks for the new CPU wallpaper of Big Ed’s future bitch.
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey. I like Blago
He’s about the only mealy mouthed politician telling the truth these days. Even if he’s trying to sell his soul.
Dum spiramus tuebimur
So it's gonna be Big Ed . . .
and not “Tiny”?
"The world is getting to be such a dangerous place, a man is lucky to get out of it alive." -- W.C. Fields
New Italian place here in Redlands is Romano's
The food is awesome, the only drawback is the owner is a big Cubs homer. He has old timey pics all over the walls of Chicago this, Chicago that. I’m taking my crayons with me next trip. We’ll fix that shit, put a black eye on Sandberg and Santo for starters.
Dum spiramus tuebimur
I will admit
I’m a youngin’, though my first Blues game was a Blues-Blackhawks playoff game (the clincher the last time, as a matter of fact!). However, ever since the mid-90’s with the exception of the Presidents Trophy year, no matter how good the Blues have been the Wings have been better. It was almost a yearly ritual to pencil us into the 4th seed with Detroit winning the division. And don’t get me started on Game 7 in ‘96 – my childhood never recovered! At the risk of being booted of the boards, I’ll admit to loving the Cardinals a BIT more than the Blues (though I love hockey as a sport MUCH more), but there’s no team in sports I hate more than the Detroit Redwings! (Then again, I can’t vote in polls from my phone – anyone else have that problem?)
by J-Mill on Jul 28, 2009 11:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I admit...
… I hate the Cubs more than the Blackhawks or the Wings, but it’s a different kind of hate, laced with amusement and pity.
Come to think of it, that’s how I felt about Belfour regardless of what team he was on, so… yeah. Honestly, I was still taking out my hatred of the Hawks on him years later when he was on Toronto and came to Philips, and we kicked his ass. He was just as much of a bitchy little prick then in his elderly years as he was on the Blackhawks.
Maybe I just really hate Eddie Belfour.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
I’ll raise a burning torch for Belfour, too. Let’s round up the rest of the angry mob and go get him.
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jul 29, 2009 5:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mark my words
We get into a finals, or any playoff series with Chicago and it will be on like Donkey Kong. You’ll see ole timers coming out of the wordwork to curse them sunzabitches. Like waving a red flag in front of a bull, I just hope STL PD has adequate jail space.
Dum spiramus tuebimur
What did they used to do with the brawlers at the Arena?
They at least need a drunk tank somewhere in Scottrade for it. God, I would kill for that match-up. There is nothing more fun than a Blues/Blackhawks playoff series, and I think that last year we would have had a better chance beating them than we did the Nucks,
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
Nazis>Blackhawks
I vote for Chicago. I’m sick to death of the Wings and their slum-dwelling fans, but there is only one team in the NHL that I can honestly say I HATE, and that is the ’Hawks. I may be younger than a lot of guys on here, but I am old enough to remember when Detroit was at the bottom of the Norris division, and one of my first great hockey memories is of the Blues sweeping the Hawks in ’93, and the madness that ensued with Eddie the Eagle taking his anger out on the crossbar. Good times.
"You suck but you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull
I adore that series.
I’m sure you remember the front page of the Post Dispatch afterwards. :D
Greatest Belfour meltdown of all time.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
“Bllleeaaaaarrgggghhh, I gotta billion dollars that says I was interfered with by Brett Hull.”
That moment, sweeping the Hawks in such a massive upset (given their regular season records), at home was like an early item checked off my bucket list. The taste is just as sweet to this day.
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It really is.
Is it sad that I could die happy for something that happened when I was 11?
Methinks it’s a sign that I either need to a) not live vicariously through the Blues and Cardinals or b) need to just generally live more.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
(b) never hurts, but (a) does not necessarily exclude (b), me thinks.
It was so considerate of Belfour to put a symbolic, pictorial coda on the series. That moment was like: Wow, the Blues not only just sweep the Hawks, but also Beeeeelll-fooooouuur just threw a Class A conniption fit in accordance with his general character. Sweet.
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*whew*
I honestly don’t remember seeing him play where he didn’t act like an infant when he lost.
Great goalie, but that’s what separates him from guys like Roy. Roy just went ballistic in the coach’s office. And at his wife.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
by hildymac on Jul 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poll
“Towel Boy” not an option.
Discuss.
by Poor College Student on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
We're too busy telling him to jump off a fucking cliff.
Therefore, no Towel Boy.
"The world is getting to be such a dangerous place, a man is lucky to get out of it alive." -- W.C. Fields
I know im the oddball around here
But growing up in Iowa I had a tough time picking teams as a child. So I went with the Blues (Hull), Cubs (Sandberg), and Lions (Sanders). So I follow teams from all three cities and the 3 professional teams with extremely long title droughts. Awesome job by me.
But I easily hate Detroit the most because of Steve Yzerman’s goal in 96’. I have also seen the Blues vs. Wings five or six times while I have never witnessed a Blues vs. Blackhawks game.
I still despise the Blackhawks but not nearly as much as the Wings. And in all fairness I dislike the Cards, Rams, and Bears as well.
Its a funny story actually.
KC
has plenty of a market for Hockey, just gotta sift through all the rednecks, i live here in KC now which is quite lame because of no hockey grew up in st louis, but the adult leagues are fairly packed
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
Ahh, but would they have a market...
… for a (sorry, Dom, and I don’t think the Isles’d move) 2ndhand team?
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
I know, I’d love for them to try a team in K.C. Just not the Isles :)
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