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First off, thanks to my bud Andrew over at the Thrashers message boards for this week's topic.  I bribed him with a link to his site, so please check out Thrashers Talk if you get a chance.  Yeah, I bribed someone.  I'm from Illinois.  This is how we roll, apparently - right, Blago?

 

Over the past season, there has been an ongoing debate over whether or not fighting is appropriate in hockey.  Purists wonder why this is even an issue.  People concerned about safety need to only point to Don Sanderson and his tragic death this past January in a fight-related accident.  Some people assume fighting is barbaric and is antiquated - left over from a bygone era when goons patrolled the ice - that it's not part of the new image of the league.  Others feel that it serves a purpose - it's an outlet, it's a problem solver, it's a game changer.

Star-divide

Fight!  Fight!  Fight!

No, I didn't pick this topic because of the statistical data that show women are bigger fans of fighting in hockey than men.  I just wanted to get that out there.

Anyway, fighting and rough play has been a part of hockey since the beginning.  When you put grown (or half grown) men together on ice, with sticks, and tell them to go out and hit each other as part of the game, you can't tell me that the urge to pound the guy dust who just crosschecked your buddy isn't a strong one.  We have all seen a game where a player tries to take advantage of another team's players, be it through their inexperience, their stature (how Marty St. Louis isn't dead is beyond me), or just flat-out meanness.  We've all seen teams start fights to try to drive a point home about their superiority.  It's also extremely thrilling to see those same guys get their asses kicked.  It's a game changer.  Look at "The Shush" from Max Talbot.  Down 3-0 in game 6 to the Flyers, Daniel Carcillo decides to show how superior the Flyers are, in Philly.  Talbot beats the hell out of him, and skating off the ice gives the Philly crowd what amounts to the finger.  Pittsburgh promptly scores five goals, and knock the Flyers off at home.  Yes, that was probably mostly karma.  But you can't tell me that what Talbot did changed that whole game, and gave the Penguins purpose.

Also, if you want to know more about fighting in hockey, pick up a copy of The Code.  It's not all about hurting people willy nilly.  It's policing.  If someone were to pop Bouchard one, who goes out?  Boogaard.  Simple as that - problem solved.  Someone hurts your teammate, it's perfectly ok to go after him.  Superstars after superstars, checkers after checkers.  No one hits your star player, no one hits your young rookie kid.

 

Why Can't We All Just Get Along?

There has always been concern about the repercussions of violence in hockey.  Even as far back as Eddie Shore's career ending hit on Ace Bailey, there were concerns that it was getting out of hand.  Of course, back then the two gentlemen shook hands and moved on, amazingly enough.  Proponents of removing fighting from hockey would respond that at least Bailey was alive, because there are some people who aren't afterwards.

After the death of Sanderson last January, the league seriously considered removing fighting from hockey.  It even reached the ranks of the NHLPA, who, in the interest of protecting the players, said that at the very least limits need to be placed.  Canadians, often known as the bastion of hockey purists, called for a banThe GMs at their meeting?  No more fighting right off of a face off, which pretty much means no more "You wanna go?" "Sure" moments... moments that the players themselves set up in accordance with the fighting code.  There is a serious concern of potential injury or death resulting from a player hitting his head on the ice.  But apparently there is a disconnect between the GMs and players themselves as to what a solution will be.  There is a lot of concern about people not getting real discipline for their actions, and based on Colin Campbell's inconsistency, it's obviously a real concern.

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Should fighting be allowed in hockey?
Yes - it's an integral part of the game, serves purpose, and is probably unavoidable.
189 votes
No - people have gotten seriously injured doing it, and little kids watch the sport. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
7 votes

196 votes | Poll has closed

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I did a speech on this topic last semester in my public speaking class. I got a D because I “didn’t relate the topic to the audience.” Bitch.

by J-Mill on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Um, did she expect a demonstration?

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Aug 11, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

If anyone

votes “no”, they must be banned from this website.

http://www.stlouisgametime.com/

by cold on Aug 11, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

That makes 4

so far 4 no votes. Banning, tar and feathering, ridiculing….it’s just not enough

by MMouse on Aug 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably just...

… some whiny Flying Tire fans, afraid that their Precious Nicknamed Euros might break a nail or cry if things get rough on the ice.

by BleedBlue42 on Aug 11, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think she wanted one BS sentence describing why the the class should care. Although I felt like a demo after I got my grade.

by J-Mill on Aug 11, 2009 10:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I am a proponent of fighting

1. Hockey is the only sport played in an enclosed area where they hand the participants a weapon before entering the arena. Fighting is the least violent part of that scenario.

2. When there’s a fight, do people sit down and stop cheering? I don’t think so.

3. One way to win a game is for one team to assert its will over the other. Fighting is a genuine tactic in that strategy.

4. Hockey has always been a violent sport mixed with grace and speed and incredible skill. Fighting is an extension of that.

Are some fights stupid and not necessary? Yes. Does that mean we should get rid of all fighting? Hell no. And yes, when an NHL player dies after hitting his head on the ice, the league will be poised to overreact.

www.stlouisgametime.com

by Brad Lee on Aug 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Fighting.

If there were no crackdown on fighting in the early part of this decade, there’s a good chance the Todd Bertuzzi incident happens.

If there were no idiots trying to “fix” the problem, the likes of Ryan Hollweg would be dead by now, or at the very least completely out of hockey like he should be for being a moron.

Whenever the NHL decides fighting to not be an option any more, I’ll likely never watch another NHL game in person and try like hell to avoid watching it on TV (unless the Blues are on . . . MAYBE). It’ll be over. Kaput. Fuck it.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Aug 11, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Uhhhhh . . .
. . . there’s a good chance the Todd Bertuzzi incident NEVER happens.

Whoops.

One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.

by Donut King on Aug 11, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

It should become a right of passage for young Blues

to fight patrick kane every time he hits the ice

"I quit because I didn't feel like the Detroit Lions had a chance to win. It just killed my enjoyment of the game."
-Barry Sanders
(Soon to be the Detroit RedWings - Henrik Zetterberg '11)

by DasBlues74 on Aug 11, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Motion is seconded.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Aug 11, 2009 10:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

A day without a hockey fight...

is like a day without sunshine.

Taint seen anybody really messed up from dropping the gloves. A few chicklets on the ice and some eyes beat shut maybe. On the other hand I’ve seen some woodchoppin that made me ill. Hockey is a game of intimidation, physically and mentally. Eventually someone is going to retaliate. I’d rather they do it with their knuckles and we enjoy the show then watch them split someone’s gourd open like a melon with a two hander.

Just say no to this shit, the dad not the fight.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Aug 11, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Which one...

… the dweeb giving the thumbs up or the dorkus trying to cover his son’s eyes like he was watching a sex scene?

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Aug 11, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he's telling his son...

….“when you got ’em in close, use your thumb to gouge out his eyes.”

by Rich of GASL on Aug 11, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

the dad covering juniors eyes

can’t slip nuttin by you sharp eyed teachers

That dad reminds me of a family carload in front of me several years ago in Big Bear CA. Two vagabond mules left over from the mining days there started fornicating in the road and stopped traffic. I watched in amusement as mom and dad tried to shield lil Biff and Buffy from the assault with the fire hose. They blocked out the visual but the audio was also quite entertaining. Aint heard that much grunting since the sweet old widow Miss.Pingleton dropped her hearing aid under the church podium.

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Aug 12, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I better be sharp eyed...

I’ve broken up more drug deals than a Compton cop… at least I did at my last job. Now I just have to worry about kids checking the time on their cell phones. Oh well.

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Aug 12, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who here has...

…actually been in a fight? Not just a hockey fight but a straight up street fight? Raise your hand.

Now, with that being asked, was it exciting as shit? Hell yeah it was. Were you scared? Maybe. Would you do it again? God damn right. Our society loves violence and loves watching people/things suffer and get hurt. Fighting stays. No doubt.

When you are playing hockey and you know that there is someone who will beat the shit out of you if you cross a line, trust me, you watch what you are doing. I fucking love being that person who is going to fight you if you fuck up. I love being watched. I love being the guy they warn the new guys about. Not just in the showers after the game either.

Don’t fuck with fighting.

North Co! North Co! North Co!

by Answer Man on Aug 11, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

*raises hand

and it’s especially awesome when you’ve got extreme adrenaline strength.

Never forget Philo T. Farnsworth

"I want to fucking break it. I want to crush you from the inside."~ Static X
"Turned into a monster I'm a motherfucker!!!" ~ Static X
"Stay away from me because I'm dancing to quit a different drum beat," - Eminem

by Carnie on Aug 11, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

fighting

On a serious note, it appears that visors will become mandatory in the next few years. BYe Bye fighting or the willing fighters will have to remove their helmets as part of a prefight ritual.

by hoozis on Aug 11, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I envison a day the bird cages will be mandatory like in college

Once you can’t tell who a player is I’m done. Shit woman’s softball infield players are wearing birdcages now .WTF is that?

Dum spiramus tuebimur

by spectr17 on Aug 12, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

How the hell can they see the ball? Ugh – I’d freaking quit if I were them… stop pansifying every damned sport!

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Aug 12, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

If no one fought

how would we know who swings the biggest dick
and how would anyone protect europuss on their unrespective teams

I will go Jeff, Steve, and Jack all over everyones ass if fighting is ever illegal
that means hanson brothers, and i dont mean the dickless incestial teenieboppers who sing mmbop

"I quit because I didn't feel like the Detroit Lions had a chance to win. It just killed my enjoyment of the game."
-Barry Sanders
(Soon to be the Detroit RedWings - Henrik Zetterberg '11)

by DasBlues74 on Aug 12, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

doooo wop do do do dooooo wop

Never forget Philo T. Farnsworth

"I want to fucking break it. I want to crush you from the inside."~ Static X
"Turned into a monster I'm a motherfucker!!!" ~ Static X
"Stay away from me because I'm dancing to quit a different drum beat," - Eminem

by Carnie on Aug 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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