Tuesdays With Hildy: Gooooalie, Goooooalie, Gooooooalie... You Suck?
I'm pretty sure that I covered the good offense/good defense line of hockey strategy in a previous column. One of the options in the poll was if the goalie was responsible for the outcome of the game totally by himself. A good many of you voted "no way," and I agree in principle. But... how many of you have been to a game where the offense was pretty good, the defense kept the SOG down... but your team still lost 5-2 or some such score like that because your goalie was having an off day, or just basically sucks * cough Toivonen cough*. The question posed this week is... do you hold the goaltenders ultimately responsible for the outcome of the game?
Naaaah, it's the team's fault.
We're all guilty of it. Watching a game, either at home or on TV, and in goes a soft goal. The mid-ice shot on Toskala last season is probably the biggest example that I can think of with this. An entire arena just stopped, and probably yelled at the same time "How'd he miss that? Good lord, he should have had that one," or something to that effect. We've all seen a wonky shot bounce in, and in our inner armchair goalie rips into the guy. But, well... if your team allows a disproportionately high number of shots, like Toronto, Florida, or Atlanta last season, there is a higher possibility that a flukey weird one will trickle past. It's the law of averages. Yes, they should stop it. but the defense needs to figure out a way to keep those shots from happening.
A lot of times the average SOG allowed stat is thrown out there to justify a goaltender's high GAA: "Well, with 50 SOG a game, duh he's going to let in about three or so every time, maybe more. 3.18 isn't bad at all!" People focus on the save percentage - if you're facing 50 SOG a night, and your save percentage is above .900, that's pretty damn well not bad. Kari Lehtonen is a pretty good example of this. Last season the Thrashers allowed an absurd amount of SOG per game. His GAA was 3.06. Not very stellar for a starter. His save percentage, though, was a .911. When you consider the fact that he was getting peppered with 32 shots a game on average, some nights as many as 50, that's not too shabby. Don't allow so many SOG, and your goalies' stats aren't unpleasant.
No, Really... YOU SUCK.
Going back to Lehtonen for a sec (because you all know how much I love him /sarc), there are a few factors that matter as much as the SOG, and can almost render that stat irrelevant: off ice conditioning. Goaltenders do have to condition differently than other players, and focus on other areas of their body and game - instead of speed, they look for flexibility, for example. What if said goalie isn't fully conditioned? He can't move quickly enough to block shots, and if he's a butterfly style goalie (Kari's a hybrid, really) he can't drop to that position - a position that notoriously screws up your hip joints and wears away the bone anyway. That puts the team at a disadvantage. It doesn't matter how many SOG they take, if they know you can't drop to close the five-hole quickly, well gee. Where do their shots go? Or, if they know you're not fast enough glove side, boom. That's where they hit you. Not to mention lack of conditioning starts a cycle of re-occurring injuries that take the goalie out of the mix entirely and really could hurt the team.
There's another kind of conditioning that's important. Mental conditioning. Being able to have confidence is helpful. If you believe that you can't do something, you can't. Legace last season is a shining example of this. Year before last, he was an All-Star. He has a Stanley Cup ring on his finger (though since it's w/Detroit I like to pretend it doesn't exist). Last year, the Blues decide to bring in a backup that used to be a starter, and they paid him close to what Manny was making, without offering Legace a contract renewal with a raise. Did this"spur competition" and make Manny play better? No. It led to a crushing blow on his self confidence that just killed his season dead. His .885 SV% and 3.18 GAA were not only a career aberration, they coiuldn't even be defended by the "the Blues allow too many shots on goal" defense, since we were about average for the league. Heck, in his shortened season, he only faced 669 counted shots, and blocked just 592 of them.
He started off on the wrong foot, and by the end of his time with the Blues was a shell of his former self, both on and off the ice. Emo Manny was born, and the Blues didn't really break free of that cloud until Mason solidly had control of the number one slot.
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In extreme circumstances I guess a game could be the goalies fault. But it’s usually do to the idiotic forwards who can’t posses the ball/puck long enough to give the defense a rest.
So to me, as a retired defender/goalie, all lost games are the forwards fault.
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Absolute worst play by a goalie I have seen in a while...
The dark year of the Blues…the year after the lockout….Patrick Latrine in goal during a student night either vs Nashville or Calgary (they let us sit 7 rows off the glass for the student price)…shot comes in HE WATCHES THE PUCK GOING BY turning his head looking at it go by, then sticks out his glove after the puck goes in the net. Oops here see…I tried to make a glove save now that its in the net. Another goal I believe was flipped up onto his back from behind the goal, goes into the net. Blues lose 5-1 or something.
Yeah the entire team was bad, but that still pisses me off.
I remember watching the puck-off-the-back game on TV.
I think they cut him, like, two hours later. Like, fucking LITERALLY.
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I voted No.
But only because I like the word “nebulous”.
Also, I like shiny things.
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I voted 'yes,' but...
there are a lot of other factors. However, a goalie in hockey is probably the second most important position in all of sports behind a quarterback. Everyone else in front of him can play great, but ultimately, it’s up to which goalie gets beat less. Yes a great team can succed with Chris Osgood a less than stellar goaltender, but it’s not nearly as common as a great goaltender leading a less than stellar team much farther than they would have gone (ie, JS Gigure, Cam Ward, Hasek, etc.).
Somewhat off-topic: The "You suck!" thing
Regarding the headline, how do people feel about the “You Suck!” added to the end of the traditional chant of the goalie’s name? And when did it start? (I blame Nashville.)
For me, I find it redundant and overkill. “You suck” or “We hate you” or “Offer us a billion dollars” is implied in the very act of chanting his name — you really don’t need to add more, just for the hell of it. Put it this way: “Beeeel-fooooour” had a wonderful ring to it and never needed any coda. His very name implied suckitude. (Whoops, he’s a Blue now, right? Weird.)
Reminds me of the redundant singalongs at Rams games to the Gary Glitter song (“…beat the hell out of you. You. You-you-you…”), but now I’m really getting out of my element and into behavior some fans hold dear.
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Hate codas. All of 'em.
“You Suck!” sucks. When the horn-blowing guys slow the cadence on the last “Let’s Go Blues!”… that sucks too. If it’s worth repeating three times, it’s worth repeating four times. We don’t need a special ending.
My first experience with the Gary Glitter response was at Arrowhead Stadium, back when the Rams were still in LA. Not sure if the Melonheads were doing it in SoCal, but I’ve always attributed this one to Chiefs fans. (And, let’s be honest, Chefs fans need something; their football team hasn’t won a Super Bowl since before the AFL-NFL merger, and when football season ends, all they have to look forward to is another season of Zack Greinke And 24 Semi-Animated Corpses.)
I'm not a huge fan of the "You SUCK."
Either Nashville started it, or Atlanta did, because we always do it down here, and I never join in. Really, I find it stupid to yell it at someone who makes a few million bucks a night and who is shutting us out 6-0. But that’s just me. It’s also a little disrespectful.
I really hated it when they were heckling the goalies during the ASG down here. You could hear it clear as a bell on TV, and I really had a holy fit. We had such a nice ASG here, and then that happened.
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Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
I voted 'no,' but...
Granted, the game swings on goaltending. But as long as there is competent goaltending, I blame the team for the loss. A goalie is expected to steal games, but not every game. When he’s steady and the team fails, it’s on them.
Only when he allows back-breaking or awful goals, which shake the confidence and will of the team in front of him, do I start blaming him for the whole squad’s failings.
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look at back-up minder’s stats.half of them are better than the teams starter!! why? back-ups suck, the team knows it and plays a “our goalie sucks” game where you dress 5 defensive d-men, and turn half your forwards into midfielders who are not allowed to touch the other teams net. then you dress an extra goon, and throw in the designated press box guy and play a 2-1 game. Hoo- rah!!
if you win “net-out” in the NHL these days (and who knows if you still do) you will lose the same way.
no one watching the blues first half of last season can come to any conclusion other than the entire team plays different and suffers more when the goalie has no game.
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by Childhood Trauma on Sep 15, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions
Some teams do play better for one goalie than the other.
To re-use (again – sorry) the example of the Thrashers, when Kari was in goal last season, there were games where it looked like they were slacking on purpose. I don’t know if that’s because they think he can handle it or they’re so annoyed with his attitude towards preparedness that they just don’t care if he does well.
It does say a lot when you have Kovalchuk come out and say that they “always seem to play harder for Hedberg,” who has probably the best work ethic in the NHL today. They play harder for Moose because he always gives a rip, and half the time Lehtonen looks like he’s phoning it in.
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Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
My vote: No*.
More than any other sport, hockey is a team game. The team with the most cohesion on the ice will defeat the team with the most talent, more often than not. In that light, you can’t put all the responsibility on the goalie; he can’t win faceoffs, he can’t get into passing lanes, he can’t forecheck, he can’t clear the puck on the PK.
On the other hand, he’s the last and best option for keeping the puck out of the net. His job is to cover up the mistakes of his teammates. If the goalie is in a slump, it demoralizes the rest of the team.
So I think the real answer is “it depends”. If the rest of the team is clearing the crease, clogging the lanes, and forcing the other team to shoot from the half-boards and above the circles, then there’s no excuse for the goalie to not perform well. But if, for example, there’s a scrum in the left faceoff circle, and your team captain skates away from the pile, into the crease, and ends up standing between the goalie and the net when the Oilers score… well, you can’t blame the goalie for that.

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