The Hockey Prof Complains (Updated Twice)
Today I got pointed to this article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette written by a Bob Smizik: NHL doesn't belong in the Olympics
Card-carrying members of what one commenter the other day called ``the hockey Taliban,’’ made a brief appearance on this blog this week.
``Taliban’’ might seem a bit strong, but the reader described them this way:
``If you’re not completely committed to hockey, you’re the enemy.’’
I know the type. If you write something even mildly negative about hockey they come out of the woodwork to denounce you with this standard response:
``You don’t know anything about hockey.’’
In their minds:
* Fighting is good for the sport.
* The regular season is fraught with meaning.
* Shootouts are the perfect way to determine the winner of a game.
* Hockey is growing in popularity by leaps and bounds.
Yeah, yeah, yeah....we are uncouth sonsofbitches. We know already, so get on with your point.
Normally, I try not to get into an argument with these types. But they made one point on this site that I can’t let stand. It regards their stance on the NHL participation in the Winter Olympics.
One person wrote: ``The NHL players want to play for their country in the Olympics. They deserve credit for that, and the NHL deserves credit for giving them that chance and not making the individual pro teams suffer during that stretch.’’
Trust me on this: The NHL participates in the Olympics because it is desperate for attention. Patriotism has nothing to do with it.
It is, in fact, a real swipe at the league that it shuts down for the Olympics. In effect, it is saying the Olympics are more important than the NHL.
No other sport would do that. If basketball were moved to the Winter Olympics, the NBA would not participate. When baseball was part of the Summer Olympics, MLB did not participate. If Olympics tennis ever went up against one of the four major tournaments, none of the top players would participate.
I find this argument to be nonsense for a number of reason. Now, because I found it so unconvincing (and I'm trying everything possible to avoid doing real work), I took time to write a note to Mr. Smizik:
Mr. Smizik,
Sorry you have gotten an earful from hockey hotheads - we can be an intemperate bunch.
You wrote: "It is, in fact, a real swipe at the league that it shuts down for the Olympics. In effect, it is saying the Olympics are more important than the NHL.
"No other sport would do that."
Actually that is only correct if one take a parochial American view. Plenty of soccer leagues around the world do just that for the World Cup every four years. Some do it for regional championships as well. Additionally, the NHL isn't the only hockey league in the world going quiet for the Olympics. Generally, it is viewed as the equivalent of the World Cup for hockey. Now I know, in the narrow American point of view, that doesn't account for much, but the last time I checked most hockey players weren't American so they might not be burdened by the prejudices the average American carry around.
Indeed, the American mind set on sport is largely absent from the rest of the world, and just maybe that is not such a bad thing. Billion dollar soccer clubs routinely "release" their players so they can play for their home countries - and risk injuries doing so. Sure the clubs aren't always happy about it, but for other parts of the world there are some things more important than the almighty dollar.
That American sports are more about business than anything else is nothing to be proud of I'm afraid. If you really wanted to take a real courageous stand you might have cast a critical eye over an American sport's culture that encourages our children to forgo an education and abuse drugs in the name of fame and fortune. (Additionally, what kind of mind believes it's O.K. for a pitcher to blow out his arm in Spring Training because at least they were doing it from the Pirates or Mets, but blowing out their arm in a World Baseball Classic is an abomination? Do we as fans have the right to demand that if a player injures himself it should only be on our behest?)
Now, I certainly believe the Olympic hockey tournament should be switched to the Summer Games, but not because of the professional leagues' schedules. Giving teams the time to practice and play together for a while would lead to better play on the ice, and a more thrilling tournament. It is the Olympics that don't want to see that as hockey is such a marquee event for the Winter Games.
Good luck with the other hockey fans... and remember, don't put your fingers inside the cage.
Sincerely,
Rich Horton
Political Science professor and St. Louis Blues fan.
To be clear, I in no way think my beliefs would speak for all or even a majority of hockey fans. So, I'm throwing this out here. What do people think?
UPDATE:
I got a response.
From: Bob Smizik
Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: (Bob Smizik's Blog) : Olympics/HockeyThe World Cup is the greatest championship in soccer.
The Stanley Cup is the greatest championship in hockey.When soccer disrupts the World Cup for the Olympics, then you'll have a story. --- Bob Smizik
I wrote back (yep, still avoiding work):
Hi again,
Are you saying Team Canada or Team Russia wouldn't be able to defeat the Penguins 9 times out of 10?
If so, I'm pretty sure you are delusional.
To my mind, the "greatest championships" would involve the greatest teams, as defined by their play on the ice. I'm odd that way.
Thanks for the response.
Rich Horton
UPDATE: X2
I'll let Bob have the last word because that's just the way I roll:
I should have phrased that better.The Stanley Cup is the most cherished championship in hockey. The World Cup is the most cherished championship in soccer.When they shut down the World Cup for the Olympics, then you'll have a story. --- Bob Smizik
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Well done
I agree with your points completely and it’s good to see an articulate hockey fan tell that Smizik dildo what’s up.
Hopefully, he sees this and he has no sense of humor.
My mind
was absolutely blown reading that crap. What an absolute load of nonsense. Excellent, and mature response to a childish opinion.
Good read and good response
But if you’re looking to kill time at work, there’s an Erik Johnson, PI story that needs finishing.
No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.
by Poor College Student on Jan 21, 2010 5:11 PM CST reply actions
Careful...
He might send you a wordy e-mail from work that, in essence, says, “Screw you, pal”.
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jan 21, 2010 5:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hell, I wouldn’t blame him.
No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.
by Poor College Student on Jan 21, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
if you do a google search for hardest dick
You would…
No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.
by Poor College Student on Jan 21, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
In google image search, nonetheless…
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jan 21, 2010 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Please tell me that was done out of a morbid curiosity.
Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?
Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.
i didnt even search it
i was bored one day and was checking out the site meter stuff. i was curious to see how people got to the site. one of them was a google search for hardest dick. (or something like that). i thought it was hilarious.
I'm curious who the people who support those four points he mentioned are
Because I don’t think I’ve ever met someone who feels strongly about keeping fighting and ending games in a shootout.
Either way, good reply!
Chicagoan in the Lou.
Bingo
No fan I’ve ever met comes close to meeting those criteria.
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Not to mention
Suggesting there are fans who blindly support the NHL’s participation in the Olympics, but then would blindly support the NHL ending that participation.
Has this guy ever Googled “Gary Bettman?” Is he aware of what actual hockey fans think of the league’s direction, or is he just another general columnist who uses his infrequent obligations to discuss hockey or soccer as opportunities to slam them, then pisses and moans whenever he hears it from the Internet intelligencia (who, if I’m not mistaken, is not exactly a Mensa society for any sport)?
In other words: Game, set, match to the Prof.
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From now on
dude is known as “Bob Cheesedick”.
Let's go Blues!!!
by Milo. on Jan 21, 2010 5:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
first off
a) right or wrong, he phrased the question ass-backward. the title isn’t “the NHL doesn’t”,,, the question should eb should team usa and tem canada send its best team to the largest international competition in the world or not?
b) definately parocial view his response is inaccurate. the “problem” with euro players has always claimed to be that they DON’T value the cup and hence are not as driven toachieve it. how can the stanley cup be the greatest championship if the majority of professional hockey players could care less about it?
c) remember the offsides rule? the one without the delay and the automatic call and all the game stoppages? the NHL put that in the game to try and get its players more competent in the international game. look it up :) the rule has reverted adn this season we even get nhl ice instead of real ice, but really, if the nhl didnt belong how did its leadership get so involved in a hand ful of rule chnages to the NHL game to produce better olympians? how many rules have the olympians changed so their players make better nhler?
A strong anvil fears no hammer
by Childhood Trauma on Jan 21, 2010 5:48 PM CST reply actions
Dummy
The guy has no clue. Excellent rebuttal.
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Rich, you magnificent bastard you.
Could not agree more with you on this. Beautifully done.
Time to get to the GDT I’m already 2 periods late for. Just had to give you the proper acknowledgment first.
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Honestly....
….I’m a bit surprised people didn’t find more about my views to take issue with. I guess what it comes down to is your average hockey fan maybe a little more in tuned with the global nature of the game. Or maybe more than that, they actually view it as something really cool about the game.
I get the feeling Smizik rarely gets more “international” than watching a Samoan play linebacker.
It's not too surprising
I live in Pittsburgh, and there is a huge mentality here about Super Bowls and Stanley Cups. They have them and they are the best damn thing this city has ever achieved. At least 4 stores on my street alone carry “On ice or grass we’ll kick your ass – CITY OF CHAMPIONS” shirts with various info about the Cups and Bowls they’ve won. I don’t for a second mean to knock this mentality – the food here is terrible, I can’t blame them for finding comfort in this venue and hell, when the Blues win a Cup, it will be the best damned thing ever. But, from that perspective it’s not too surprising that he so adamantly defends the “Stanley Cup or bust” mentality. Pittsburgh can’t win the Olympics (although I’m sure if I go to any local bar I could get argued down by a half dozen yinzers about how the Penguins could, in fact, win the Olympics).
Smizik is also not their usual Pens beat reporter, if that adds anything to the equation. (He may have been at one point, I have no clue)
I wish you would have told him that when they shut down the World Cup for the Olympics, it’ll have to be using a number system that hasn’t been developed just yet.
The Summer Olympics are played in even numbered years that are divisible by four (…2008, 2012, 2016…).
The World Cup is played in even numbered years that aren’t divisible by four (…2006, 2010, 2014…)
He’s comparing two events that are each played once within a four year cycle that will never have a scheduling conflict..
It is the same as saying “When St. Patrick’s Day is shut down for Memorial Day,” it is something that won’t happen.
He made sense until then, then lost me.
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Well, he was having a hard time understanding hockey....
….so what chance was there that he was gonna understand international soccer? I figured by then it wasn’t worth it.
by Rich of GASL on Jan 22, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions

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