Tuesdays With Hildy: Building Blocks or Tinker Toys - Who Do You Value Most on a Team?
Sorry for the late post - I had a busy day today grossing out my psych classes with the "Life's Greatest Miracle" episode of Nova. Now I get to try to work on this post at the Thrashers game to the Quackers, who hopefully don't repeat whatever the heck happened here in StL Saturday night.
Anywho, got to thinking, after watching Cam romp and stomp his way through a few games - who are the players on the team that you value? Are they the power forward, high scorers like McDonald, Boyes, and (according to some nasty rumors I've heard) Kariya? Are they the d-men on the point - EJ? Cola? What about the grinders and energy players like Winny, BJ, and for sure Steener? Who brings value? How do you judge it - is it stats? Is it heart? Is it dedication? Do intangibles matter more to you than the point sheet? I apologize for the brevity of this week's post - I promise I'll do better next Tuesday. Swearsies.
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Cam's the man!
Cam and BJ…and Steen….
Where would the Blues be without CamTits?!
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Give me stats over intangibles
The problem is we have absolutely no idea how much intangibles help/hurt. We have absolutely no idea where the hell the blues would be without Mr. Tits. They could have a player who would have scored 5 more goals in Cam’s place and we’d be 4 points closer to a playoff spot. Or he could be a spark that the team needs and without him we’d be closer to the Oilers. Especially on this team, we need production, particularly in the form of more goals and less goals allowed, particularly in the third period. My honest opinion is that better players that score more goals and allow less goals are more valuable than players that have important intangibles and don’t score or prevent goals as often as those that apparently lack the intangibles. Obviously the best is the players who produce and have intangibles, a la Alex Steen, although I’d like to see that on a bigger scale.
Also, what qualifies you as a player who has intangibles? A player that doesn’t score very much? A fighter? A veteran? A player who’s played for the highest stakes? Someone who loosens up the locker room? I could potentially see a case for every Blue having intangibles, but what really counts?
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I personally think
That this team would be better with say Eller instead of any of our three “physical only” guys. Wouldn’t we rather have a 3rd line that is a positive offensive matchup vs the opposing 3rd line rather than one that breaks even at best on goals?
It may just be that I never played hockey past pee-wee, but I’ve never really understood the whole goon aspect in hockey. To me, it’s like putting a fullback as a QB whose only purpose is to get no-gains but run hard in the process or a basketball player whose sole purpose is to commit punishing fouls. Do you want to play against those guys physically? Not really, but I’d rather have the opposing team “enjoy” being down 1-0 than have them “fear” being on the ice in a 0-0 game.
As for Janssen and fighting: it energizes the other team too! I know there seem to be momentum shifting fights yes……but that also goes both ways!
All in all though, it certainly doesn’t seem like we are physically wearing down the other team throughout a game into the 3rd period…
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Intangibles.
I know a lot of you didn’t like Jammer when he was here, but he was my favorite Blue when he was here. So now you’re thinking . . . why is this fuckhead rooting for a guy who skates well but only in a straight line, can’t shoot the puck to save his own cock and has hands of stone that are used to pass the puck to people who don’t exist?
Mostly because he would do whatever the team asked him to do, and not say a Goddamn thing about it. He would do his job. And there is a lot to be said about doing your job. Other team’s goalie needs to be plastered into the webbing? There was Jammer. Some dickhead from the other team deserves to have his teeth knocked into the 22nd century? There was Jammer. Grinder? Yeah, Jammer would grind. Lane-filler on a power play? Well, when he stood still long enough, Jammer could do that too. (We’ll let the whole “tiger-striped eyebrows” thing from 2000 slide, because let’s face it . . . that was just fucked up.)
Look, I’m not going to say that intangibles alone will win you games. Collective team efforts and scoring goals wins games. But if you ask me who my favorite players on the team are . . . it’s the ones I can identify with. And those guys tend to have the intangibles. I could identify with Jammer because he didn’t have as much skill as the other players on the team and gave off a “Hey, I could probably do that!” type of vibe. And he didn’t mind doing the odd jobs on the team.
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You need guys who can score. You need d-men. You also need penalty killers and guys who do the little things. Jay wins faceoffs, plays smart, kill penalties, chips in some offense. He is the king of the little things. Teams that win don’t do it with guys like Silent Jay. To me, that’s the most valuable asset. That and goaltending. But I haven’t seen a good goalie in St. Louis since Grant Fuhr so …
a team with stats
but not intangibles makes it to the playoffs everyyear.
ya gots untangiblles without stats and you draft early and often
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by Childhood Trauma on Jan 26, 2010 8:35 PM CST reply actions
Think about what Oshie did last year
I’ll take the stats, obviously. Goals are goals and saves are saves. But that’s if you have the talent. What worked for the Blues last year was the big hits and the crazy non-stop energy. Janssen, Beej, etc. can be a bit of a liability from time to time, but when the supposed blue chip guys aren’t doing their job, I’d rather have a few extra grinders in the lineup.
The Blues have a lot of guys who are basically 2nd or 3rd line scorers being asked to be 1st line scorers; they need to rely on energy and grit until guys like Perron, Berglund, and Backes develop into true first liners.. if ever.
Also, I wouldn’t call Boyes, McDonald, and Kariya “power forwards”. Sort of a semantics thing, sorry, but I had to point that out. Power forwards would be guys like Walt, Backes, Winchester (sorta), and Berglund (also sorta).
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I appreciate them all.
In my opinion each player brings something different to the table. Teams are built upon skill, but skill without either heart, or personality typically leaves something to be desired. In the movie Miracle, Herb Brooks was quoted as saying “All-Star teams fail, because they rely solely on the talent of the individual. The Russians use that talent for the betterment of the team.” I believe this to be a poignant truth.
Look at some of the teams the Yankees have fielded in the last decade. These are star-studded teams, with unbelievable talent, costing many millions more than a lot of teams spend. Yes, the Yankees have won three world championships in the last decade, but a 30% success rate for what has been almost consistently the largest bankroll in the MLB still doesn’t spell surefire success.
In my opinion, the problem with a team that is built upon nothing but stats and skill, is that unless the coach of that team is more of a psychiatrist than a coach, the team will have immense trouble being a cohesive unit. No matter how hard you argue, if you look at history, ego has always been one of the most troublesome human traits to overcome. I believe this is where players with the “intangibles” do their part. The players who lack amazing skill, but have the intangibles, humbly go about their business and allow the skilled players who are more prone to having big ego’s go about their business putting points on the board.
To put an exclamation point on this, I’d like to look at yet another sport. The sport of basketball. The Chicago Bulls were undoubtedly led by the man, who in my opinion, is still the greatest basketball player to play the game. However, without the bit players, the guys who didn’t average 20pts per game, the Horace Grants, Bill Cartwrights, and John Paxson’s would they still have won as many championships? Horace Grant, and Bill Cartwright for sure, humbly went about their business without much press coverage at all, collecting the offensive and defensive rebounds, and making sure the outlet passes that helped Jordan and Pippen look like basketball superhero’s reached their hands.
Bottom line: I think winning teams need a little bit of both.
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