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Tuesdays With Hildy: History Lesson - Which Blues Team Was The Best?

After games like last night, it helps to fixate on the good stuff. Like alcohol, and fried foods. And the fact that the Blues have a storied history with all sorts of teams that were Cup-worthy.

Ok, that last part might not help, since the fickle finger of fate decreed over and over again that regardless of how good a squad the Blues put together, they'd not win. Weird stuff happened every year, decade in and decade out, to keep the Blues away from the Stanley cup. You know, weird things like Wayne Gretzky being incapable of maintaining puck possession.

Anywho, in this week's Tuesdays With Hildy, I'm going to look at the "best" Blues teams iced, one a decade (ok, 2 for the 90s), and then let you guys duke it out as to what year's was the finest. There's nothing more fun than looking at the past and what the possibilities were, then remembering what the outcome was, is there?

No? Then let's get wallowing in the past! I'm a history teacher, after all. This is my bag.

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1968-1969 St. Louis Blues - 37-25-14, 88 points; 224 Goals For, 157 Goals Against, 838 PIM

Coached by Scotty Bowman, this was the second Blues team in as many years to make it to the Stanley Cup finals. Unfortunately, this was also the team that was swept in four games by the Montreal Canadiens for the second year in a row. The fact that an upstart expansion team duked it out with Original Six teams for three straight years for the Stanley Cup gave fans hope for the new young team; no franchise has gotten off to a more successful start in league history - making the fact that the Blues have never won the Cup that much more frustrating.  Highlights of this season include Red Berenson's 35 goals and 82 points, including scoring six goals in one game against Philadelphia on November 11th. It also includes the shared Vezina Trophy for the goaltending tandem of Jacques Plante and Glen Hall (with Hall being named a first team All-Star for the Campbell Conference that season). Also, veteran defenseman Doug Harvey retired after this season.

1974-1975 St. Louis Blues - 35-31-14, 84 points; 269 Goals For, 267 Goals Against, 1275 PIM  

The Blues finished second in the Smythe Division behind the Vancouver Canucks this year, coached by both Lou Angotti and Gary Young, who replaced Angotti after a 2-5-2-1 start. This season's team saw the return of Red Berenson from the Detroit Red Wings and John Davidson in goal with a not so wonderful 3.66 GAA - even for the small-pad era. This team was the best of the 1970s record wise, but spend most of the season below .500 before making it into the playoffs to lose in round one to the Pittsburgh Penguins.

1980-1981 St. Louis Blues - 45-18-17, 107 points; 352 Goals For, 281 Goals Against, 1657 PIM

The first team of the 1980s was coached by fan favorite and resident legend Red Berenson, who was rewarded with the Jack Adams Trophy for coach of the year. The team dominated during the regular season, led by Lester B. Pearson winner Mike Luit, who won 33 games that season. Hall of famer Bernie Federko racked up 104 points, and the leading goal scorer, Wayne Babych, scored 54 goals in 78 games - along with 93 PIM. Speaking of penalty minutes, it was a hallmark of this team to rough up opponents - Brian Sutter wound up with 232 PIM, Perry Turnbull got called for 209, and Bryan Maxwell heard the whistle for 137 PIM.

1990-1991 St. Louis Blues - 47-22-11, 105 points; 310 Goals For, 250 Goals Against, 1987 PIM

Three hundred and ten goals - gee.  Wonder who was responsible for a good chunk of those? Can we say Hull and Oates? The last season the dynamic duo was together saw Hull score a record 86 goals and 131 points, and Oates net 90 assists and 115 points. Former Blue turned coach Brian Sutter was rewarded with the Jack Adams, and Hull was rewarded with the Hart and Lester B. Pearson trophies. The team, though, was rewarded for an excellent season with a second round playoff loss to the Minnesota North Stars in six games. Also, Scott Stevens managed to get 150 PIM and 49 points, while Dave Lowery gained 168 PIM and 40 points. All in all, eight members of the team compiled more than 100 PIM that year.

1997-1998 St. Louis Blues - 45-29-8, 98 points; 256 Goals For, 204 Goals Against, 1414 PIM

One of the last years the Blues' benefited from Brett Hull's scoring touch, he let himself be outscored by four goals by Geoff Courtnall. His focus shifted from goal scoring to assists, getting credit for 45 helpers, good for the team lead in points yet again at 72. Coach Q got the Blues to the second round of the playoffs, losing in seven painful games to the eventual Cup champion Detroit Red Wings. Sadly, the next season saw the end of Grant Fuhr's tenure with the Blues, but in 1997-1998, Fuhr won 29 games, putting a 2.53GAA and .0898 SV% in the books.

2000-2001 St. Louis Blues - 43-22-12-5, 103 points; 249 Goals For, 195 Goals Against, 1139 PIM

I didn't include the 1999-2000 Blues in here, because while they won the President's Trophy, they also managed to lose in the first round to the 8th seeded San Jose Sharks. This year's line up came up just short in the Prez race, but Coach Q managed to get the Blues to the Western Conference finals. Yes, the Blues lost to the eventual Cup champion Avalanche in five games, making it to the Conference finals for the first time since 1986. This accomplishment was completed by the surprisingly successful goaltending duo of Roman Turek and Brent Johnson, who had a 2.28 and 2.17 GAA, respectively.

 

*resources for this article include The Hockey DB and Wikipedia - totally legit to use for research, BTW. Swear.

Poll
Which Blues team was the greatest?
1968-1969
25 votes
1974-1975
3 votes
1980-1981
13 votes
1990-1991
111 votes
1997-1998
38 votes
2000-2001
130 votes

320 votes | Poll has closed

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Unequivocal

This decision is unequivocal: the best team is the one which made it the furthest, which is the 68-69 Blues. Since then no team has made it further, and therefore aren’t as good as the other teams. No brainer.

by intangible on Oct 19, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

That statement was stupid

for so many reasons…i dont feel like pointing them out right now…so you get this
shut up and go back to you bridge in chicago or detroit u fucking idiot

Straight from the crazy unfiltered mind of a fifteen year-old Blues fan.

by BulldogOshie on Oct 19, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dumb logic.

For someone who thinks he’s so reasonable and logical. The 68 team made it the farthest, but they also played in a playoff devision that was ALL expansion teams. The first non-expansion team they played was in the Finals.

But I’m sure that your logic says that quality of competition doesn’t matter, right?

by gallagher on Oct 19, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, let's see.. the 1967-68 and the 1969-70 teams ALSO made it to the Cup Final...

…and were also swept by an Original Six club.

Why would the 1968-69 team be “better” than either of those teams?

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because, umm... they're the only one of those three in the poll?

You could make the argument that the 68-69 squad was the best of the three because they won both of their expansion-bracket series in sweeps. The other two years, all of the series went 6 or 7 games.

(By the way… it says here that the 85-86 team, they of the Monday Night Miracle, deserved special mention in the poll. The playoffs had expanded to 16 teams by that point, so that team actually won more playoff games than any other team in Blues’ history. The post-expansion teams all won 8 playoff games; the 2000-01 team won 9; the 85-86 team won 11.)

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 20, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going with the 2000-2001 Team

I have great memories of them, and if I’m not mistaken, that year MacInnis won the Norris. Say what you want, but I can remember the fear on the faces of other teams with him and Pronger on the point.

Barret Jackman is my hero.

Fueled. These new shores burn. Shadow, my sweet shadow, to you I look no more.

by BluesTiger on Oct 19, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Chopper won for the 98-99 season......

the Pronger won the Norris and Hart for the 99-00 campaign…….

I remember they won in back to back years but Chopper won his first

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Oct 19, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

1985-86?

Could make a case for the 1985-86 team that advanced to Game 7 of the conference finals before losing by a goal. Remember the Monday Night Miracle?

by HallPlante on Oct 19, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I had to go with 1980-81.

I’m a Mike Liut fanboy. Yes, it’s sad, but I’ve always had a reverence/ potentially creepy mancrush on goalies. Even Rick Heinz. I always wanted a sweater of either of them when I was a kid, but the folks looked at the prices and said no. I’m one of those people who’s always holding out hope that CCM, Reebok or some other company will get to make retro sweaters for the late 70s -early 80s teams. There’s got to be a sizable market for the people who always wanted their favorite players’ sweaters when they were kids, but couldn’t afford them.

by Paperwork Ninja on Oct 19, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

As one of only a handful of people here who have living memory of all of the above teams...

…I’m torn between the 1980-81 squad and the 1990-91 squad.

I still think of Liut as the best goalie the Blues ever drafted and who had his best years as a Blue. Hall and Plante were legends, but they made their bones long before they joined the Blues.

Joseph, who was the man on the 90-91 team (along with Vincent Riendeau, whom I have always considered under-rated as far as Blues’ goalies go) is a close second to Liut on that score.

Federko, Babych, Sutter, Turnbull on one squad… Hull, Oates, Stevens, Lowry on the other… tough to choose between the two.

The 2000-01 squad had some quality players on it as well… Turgeon, Macinnis, Courtnall, Scott Young. They have to figure in the decision, too.

Take heart, however, from noticing that the season at the beginning of each of the last three decades has produced a first-rate team that was a legitimate contender. Will history repeat itself?

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Oct 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

*cues the backwards footage and piano music*

There’s Gretzky taking his name off the contract, freeing up the cash and the roster slot for the Blues… there he is taking his high-five back from Satan… hey, this is kinda fun! Yes, I know I’m being too harsh on Gretzky, but I always thought his signing with the Blues was a desperation move for both sides. That was really the first roster move I saw that made me think “Why are they spending the money on a guy who went from phenomenon in Edmonton to ‘meh’ in Los Angeles?” I was stuck in New Mexico at the time of the signing, so there wasn’t a lot of hockey news that filtered past the high school football news.

by Paperwork Ninja on Oct 19, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to find out what happened...

… in the 1990-91 parallel universe where the trade didn’t happen.

Maybe the Blues still couldn’t get past Jon Casey in the second round. Hell, maybe they couldn’t get past the Wings in the first. But maybe they got through the North Stars, and past a fading Edmonton team, and went up against Mario’s Penguins in the Finals.

by BleedBlue42 on Oct 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember them all

I had to pick 90-91. It was in the middle of the 12yrs I had season tickets. It was a great season to watch as a fan.
Hull, Oates, Sutter, Stevens, Lowry Bassen and Ronning some of my favorite players.
We had the star combo with lots of great blue collar skaters.

The only thing that would’ve made this team the best in my eyes is if Al Mac was here then.
I was drooling over him in Calgary for many years before this.

Speaking of Ronning, maybe Boyes needs to visit his custom stick business to get a stick made for just him

Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.

It is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. Laura Ingalls Wilder

by luvhockey on Oct 19, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew you were one of us, m'dear...

Me, you, spec, billy pilgrim… I don’t think that’s all, but those are the only ones that come immediately to mind.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Oct 19, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya

been a fan since the 69-70 season (I was 10) and been going to games since about ’75

I picked 90-91 also. That team had all the pieces to the puzzle. Until….

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon

by baroose on Oct 19, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

How old am I?

My favorite player growing up was the Blues #16. That’s right, Pierre Plante

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon

by baroose on Oct 19, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome aboard, Gramps...

I was always a Barclay Plager man, and then a Bob Gassoff fan since his rookie pro season (’73-74) with the Denver Spurs. I was 13. 301 PIM in 45 games, and a cup of coffee with the Blues that year besides.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Oct 19, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I became a fan in 1986

when a fraternity buddy at SIUE took me to my first Blues game.

Been hooked ever since.

I may skank around and visit my other favorite teams' SBNation blogs, but I always come home to St Louis Gametime and my beloved St Louis Blues.

Also...St. Louis Cardinals. Denver Broncos. Univ of Denver Hockey and Lacrosse. Colorado Mammoth and Colorado Outlaws Lacrosse.

by HockeyHippie on Oct 21, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

2000-2001

Its the only year I remember, mostly because I started following the team right after that year.

Here’s to hoping.

by Both Hawks Suck! on Oct 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

If 1985-86 were listed, I'd go with it.

With that not being an option, I had to go with the season during which I was born (1980-81) and The Hull & Motherfucking Oates Madhouse (1990-91). Hull & Oates it is.

Brett Hull had a lot of natural talent on his own, as we all know, but one of the key reasons #16 was worn all around St. Louis at the time was #12. I just looked on Hockey Reference . . . does anyone realize he scored those 115 points IN 61 GAMES?! That is fucking insane.

Also of note . . . ‘90-’91 represents the last time the Blues have beaten the Red Wings in a playoff series. Not only that, they had to come back from a 3-1 deficit to do it. Damn right I’m picking this team.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.

by Donut King on Oct 19, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

68-69

Just imagine turning on your TV or feed and our St. Louis Blues are in the fucking Stanley Cup FINALS!!!!!! That’s what it was like, we were at the big dance and had a chance to squeeze some azz.

That and nothins finer than a 69er.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Oct 19, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Could have sworn the Red Wings beat the Blues in 6 in 1998?

I’m pretty sure the only 7 game series during a year the Red Wings won it all was the 2002 WCF. Sure you’re not mixing the 7 gamer from 1996 up with the 1998 series?

I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.

by ahtrap on Oct 19, 2010 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

When you lose only 18 games

you are a great hockey team. Gotta be 1980-1981.

by 1sport on Oct 19, 2010 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

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