Brad Boyes, Best Shootout Specialist In NHL?
As the Blues have continued to pile up the victories and defy preseason prognostication, they've been strong in the shootout, largely thanks to the incredible shooting of Brad Boyes. Head coach Davis Payne continues to slot Boyes as the crucial middle shooter and Boyes has responded with some of the best moves of the skills competition in the league this year. It's a good thing because it's frankly the only thing keeping his head above water on this team.
I give you Exhibit A of Boyes' skill in the shootout, his game winner at Boston Saturday night.
Let's talk the cold hard stats that says Brad Boyes is among the elite in the league in the shootout the last two seasons, Exhibit B.
So far this year, Boyes is three for three in the shootout, the most in the league. Only four other players have more than one shootout goal on the young season. Teammate T.J. Oshie is among the group. The others? Anze Kopitar, Jonathan Toews and Mike Ribeiro. But that's a small sample size. Let's include last year. In 2009-10, Boyes scored seven shootout goals, just one off the lead of eight goals held by four players: Sidney Crosby, Radim Vrbata, Kopitar and Toews. Let's put that in perspective.
So combining the shootout goals from this season and last, Boyes is tied with the captain of the defending Cup champions and the rising superstar leading the other team in the hottest team in the Western Conference argument. Remember, Boyes has but one goal on the season. He scored 14 last year. That means he has five more regular season goals than shootout goals in that time span. Kopitar has 38 regular season goals in that span, Toews has 30.
Somehow Boyes has morphed into possibly the best shootout specialist in the league, a player you tolerate on your roster knowing he's there for after overtime. Boyes has been a mess on the ice during regular play. He has two goals since the Blues last lost at home back on March 21. He is tentative, skittish with the puck. When he gets it, he holds it too long giving the defense time to adjust. When he puts weight behind his shot, he dents the glass. When he aims, the puck flutters in the breeze or hits the goaltender right in the crest on his jersey.
So while I've written about Boyes begrudgingly becoming my Least Favorite Player, his prowess in the shootout is almost enough to redeem his crappy play during regulation and overtime. Remember, he's making $4 million this year and next, basically to make one trip down the ice if the game isn't settled after 65 minutes. That's a lot of cheddar for a couple of penalty shots.
So fair commenters, what do you make of Boyes' skill in the shootout? Why can't he translate it to the regular part of the game? Please, give us your opinions down below. And remember to come back tonight for the patented, frolicking, boisterous, cussy St. Louis Game Time Game Day Thread. It's quite a scene man. Don't miss it.
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I don’t know, it all seems to be in his head — which of course makes it all so much more weird. Why the hell can’t he score during the regular time if it comes so easy for him on the penalty shot? Dude has issues.
I don’t know if I’d call him my least favorite (Winchester), but he’s up there. Oh, don’t even mention his patented up-and-over shot. Get the fucking puck on net, Boyes!
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by Marcus E Pettersson on Nov 10, 2010 8:19 AM CST reply actions
Performance issues?
Maybe he feels more pressure when in a game situation than when one-on-one. I still think that a sports shrink’d be helpful for the guy.
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No clue
that seems to be the common response.
I was slightly optimistic before the season after hearing a few interviews.
He changed his stick
He talked to a sports psychologist
He got married.
I still haven’t given up on him, maybe because no one is scoring much on this team.
But he may soon start getting the Brewer treatment if he doesn’t earn that 4mil
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
i don't think it was an interview that would cause that.....
most of it was around 9/11 and what was it like to be the president on that day and days following…..very interesting, really….regardless of where you stand politically.
Fair enough... your mention of waterboarding raised a red flag for me...
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
ah...it just came up in the interview, that's all....
when Brad said “waterboarding” the interview came to mind…since it just happened like two nights ago and all…
waterboarding my azz
hell the instructors drowned our azzes in military dive training many times. They called it seeing the Wizard of Wig. Them pansies cry about a wet towel over their face for a few minutes? Can I sue for the harm the instructors did to me? College hazing is harsher that what them pussies get at Gitmo.
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I'd like to see the shootout percentages for all time with active players.
I know Slava Kozlov used to lead the league in the SO because he was so cool and collected, and was like a freaking robot.
Of course, that explains Captain Serious and Marty Fieldman being up there so far this season in shootout goals. You want no emotion, well there you go.
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BTW, that list makes me miss Kozzie that much more.
Stupid ass John Anderson and the fact that he ran the team like Club Med.
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you do realize that guy wore the commie winged wheel for the majority of his career....
that would be like if Datsyuk came to the Blues….i’d be hard for me to like the guy..
I know...
but he was with ATL for eight years – probably one of the best players the Atlanta franchise’ll ever have. I just get pissed off with how he was benched and the way that he was treated last season. Anderson lost control of the asylum. And now Atlanta has a head coach who looks like he belongs in an asylum, so it evens out.
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Boyes is just a mess
His first full season here, he scored 43 goals, but only had 22 assists. He was sixth in goals, but 46th in total points.
So the next year, he tried to become more of a playmaker. His goal total dropped to 33 (not all that bad) and his assists jumped to 39 for 72 points (35th in the league). However, he was -20 and that’s when the wheels fell off.
The Blues hammered him for being a one-way player. Andy Murray called him out and said things like we all to be plus players. Boyes began to play defense last season and his points plummeted (14-28-42).
I guess the point is, Brad needs to stop playing D. Stop worry about the +/- and score some fucking goals. He need to do what he did in 2007-08. Don’t worry about assists, don’t worry about +/-, just fucking score.
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I completely agree...
I think Boyes has psychological issues from Murray. To be honest, it very well could have messed him up forever.
You see in the shootout, that the skill is obviously still there. But during regulation, he is like a squirrel crossing the road with traffic approaching…you know what I’m talking about. “Should I cross, shit, no, i’ll go back, shit, no, i’ll cross…” and you all know the end result. It’s like that with Boyes out there…“should i score goals, shit, no, i need to get back, shit, no i need to score…” and you all know the end result.
The Blues defense and goaltending are so much better today than they were two years ago….so stay in the zone and fucking score goals, Mr. Boyes. And forget about that Andy Murray…he was a douchebag.
He needs to chat up Berglund and Perron...
… figure out how they got rid of the Ghost of Andy Murray slipping them creepy notes at night.
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Boyes breaks outta the slump tonight
I’m calling it right here, 2 goals for the mentally crippled one who cannot seem to score.
And no, I did not slip and hit my head in the tub this morning.
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I love Boyes' ability to be nails in the shootout...
…but as Brad said, four million is a lot of cheese for a few penalty shot gimmick goals.
I tend to agree with Joe (which is unusual in itself) and #93; Andy Murray’s emphasis on the defensive side of the game, and his disparagement of Boyes for not being good at it, really seems to have gotten into Boyes’ head.
At this point, Hildy’s suggestion of a sports psychiatrist seems to be the best way to go… but the team needs to keep it completely on the QT, because if it doesn’t work out, they need to trade him while they can still get something for him, and no one’s going to give up more than a bag of pucks for a guy with the “headcase” label.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 10:01 AM CST reply actions
It worked for Erik Christensen...
… for like 10 minutes. Actually, though, EC has been playing well in NYC, so part of that again goes back to coach and system, I suppose.
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If he's really still thinking about Murray...
…then Payne and the rest of the coaching staff are the ones that are failing here.
by Mr. Particle on Nov 10, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
He's not necessarily thinking about Murray...
…but the way Murray treated him may have shot his confidence all to hell.
It’s a little harsh to blame the coaching staff for one player’s issues, dontchathink? Especially since no one else seems to be having similar issues?
Yeah, I know there are other guys not scoring… but none of them are making $4MM a year, and none of them have been 40-goal scorers in the NHL as recently as three years ago, either.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder how this would work...
Play Boyes on the point on the PK. Have him go for a breakaway any time we regain the puck. Justin Bourne wrote about how shorties are fairly easy to come by if you are aggressive enough. I think that having Boyes, a surefire breakaway scorer, on the point would increase our SH totals greatly while lowering our PK percentage very slightly. See Claude Giroux in Philly for how this could work.
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It's worth a shot, I guess...
…only problem with that is, the Blues are essentially killing penalties with three guys in that scenario. If Boyes is out cherry-picking on the PK — or even if he’s playing up high near the blueline all the time — that’s probably not giving the PK as a whole the greatest chance of being successful.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Cautionary Tale
While I tend to agree that a lot of Boyes’ problem is leftover from Andy Murray, think Ankiel for the cards, imo the system is causing him just as many problems as his head now. Boyes is similar to Kovalchuk (just bear with me). Kovalchuk scores goals and gets a big contract and goes to NJ and they tell him to play D and has struggled to adapt (8 pts compared to Boyes 5 but the pay disparity makes them about the same $/pt). Boyes has a breakout year and gets a big contract and then Murray jacks his head around about being more defensively-minded. Now enter Payne and his “high tempo everyone back in the zone system,” throw in the resident confidence issues and yeah Boyes is going to struggle here. Where the difference lies is the fact that Boyes, it seems to me at least, is generally a good guy and a hard worker. So, he is going to try to fit the system and not make waves even if it hurts his numbers.
I really do not think the Blues have any option but to keep him, because a $4m cap hit is a big chance for someone to take. I am ok with it though. I figure if by the end of the year he figures out how to be a 25 goal guy thats fine. The thing to keep in mind is IF Boyes were traded and went to the Capitols or a similar team and ends up with 40 goals he likely would not have done that here anyway. It’s rare for a player to overcome confidence issues especially while playing for the same team and in a system that doesn’t mesh all that well with his play style.
I call this a cautionary tale because I have seen posts and talked to friends about how we need a sniper or trade for player x. A lot of big time players are not going to mesh well here with the style of hockey the blues are playing. So the best thing for us all to do is be patient. Boyes is either gonna break his mental block and figure out how to work the system or he’s gonna get 15 and we will grumble. However with as many overtime games as we have had already and our overall anemic offense/powerplay having a great shootout specialist might be worth $4m.
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as of right now, “Boyesie” is the Frank Thomas of shootouts.
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i suggested a few days ago to joe
that boys should be told he’s not allowed to pass the puck when in past the blueline with it. GOTTA SHOOT, brad. no more playmaking.
you have a wicked, wicked snapshot. just use it, man. we dont CARE if you play defense. we NEVER cared if you played defense. get that goblin outta your head.
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This is probably a better solution to the problem than playing Boyes on the PK...
…as long as he gets the shot on net, anyway.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
watched him for a long time...
i live in erie, so i’ve been watching this guy play (erie otters) for a long time. he was always so smart with the puck, dangerous with it as well.
i was happy to see him get one in the opener, even if it went in off his a$$ or whatever, thought that would help his confidence. i don’t know what’s happened, but he does look soooo tentative, thinking way too much.
you may remember when he struggled in boston, it got to the point where he fought (lydman maybe?) just to help the team in some way.
i mean, at least he’s not some overpriced cancer in the locker room, however, he is an overpriced 14 goal scorer….don’t know what the deal is….
This should work

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by spectr17 on Nov 10, 2010 1:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Saint Dogbert!
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by Tomorrows Blues on Nov 10, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

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