Blues Lose To Detroit: Those Aren't Empty Seats You're Seeing

by gallagher on Dec 15, 2010 9:20 PM CST

Some quick notes before I dive back into working on tomorrow's issue of the game day paper:

Bernie Federko and everyone else can say that the Blues worked hard and really deserved better and that's all fine and well. Take away those three post-ringers and stick them in the net and yes, we have a different result. You can also say that there was a lot of good hard work out there, especially considering how many of these guys in the Bluenote should be playing in Peoria and I will agree with you - hard work was clearly evident. The problem is that the remaining players who are expected to be leading the way, especially offensively, just aren't ringing the bell. At one point in the third I figured I must have missed the part where Brad Boyes got hurt too, because I hadn't seen him in hours. David Backes was far from invisible, but while the banging and crashing was nice, big man has to make more of his offensive chances: don't always think pass first and make the most of those shots you are getting. That chance on Jimmy Howard on the 2-on-1 was hardly a challenge.
Erik Johnson is hurt. Well, I guess we all should have seen that coming, right?
You just can't give the Red Wings that many chances on the power play, because they're going to pop in a couple, especially when you're playing down a defenseman.
Tomas Holmstrom should be ashamed of himself for that weak-shit dive. Your ribs hurt? No shit? Everyone's ribs hurt. The refs should be ashamed when they see that replay and see what they called.
You know Jaroslav Halak wants that first goal back.
Hope Carnie got to meet Ian Cole's family and Adam Cracknell's family, both of which were in the stands. I also hope she didn't go to jail for gouging some Wing fan's eyes out.
Also can't wait to hear the Wing fan justification for the empty seats everywhere tonight. That's 96% full, right? No seriously, lots of people get up for food and whatnot like all game long. Actually, that's a joke: I don't care to hear what you have to say about anything. Thanks though!

A chance to put this one behind us tomorrow against the Kings. Or, if you're a glass half-empty type, another chance for one of our few remaining skill players to get hurt.

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The Blues just don't draw as much as they used to in the 90s.

by Elfuego51 on Dec 15, 2010 9:29 PM CST reply actions

Yea....

The Blues poor road draw, is the reason the Wings have a mostly-empty lower-bowl for every home game. On that same note, the Pens road draw was the reason there were empty seats in Detroit during the 08-09 Stanley Cup Final right?

How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

by Dan. on Dec 15, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

I was just joking

We had our first big snow storm up here and the plows are being ridiculously stupid in the suburbs. All the schools in my hometown have been off all week.

by Elfuego51 on Dec 15, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions

"Hey man, I was just kidding."

Sorry, but that seems a little like this.

How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

by Dan. on Dec 15, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions

Holmstroms ribs are hurt?

Really, when the only thing that got hit was your arm? Dunno, maybe it was my terrible stream, but it really looked like the only part of Tomas (I dive like a bitch) Holmstrom’s anatomy that was affected was his arm. The funny thing was that as soon as I saw the hit the first thought I had was “He won’t miss a shift.”

I’ll be…he didn’t miss a single shift. Just one more reason why I despise the Red Wings. They’re talented, no doubt. But my lord do they play a diving, soft, euro, pos game.

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by Dan. on Dec 15, 2010 9:30 PM CST reply actions

granted it was a dive by a known puss

but Backes got baited again by horse teeth. He’s gotta learn to just smile and skate away in those situations. When he can do that he will truly be a “team” player.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Dec 15, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

I guess.

That still doesn’t take my ire. The Blues have roughly 9 NHL players on their roster, and Holmstrom takes a dive like that? I just have to ask, why didn’t we dress Janssen?

How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

by Dan. on Dec 15, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions

Dive or not

It was a pretty stupid move by Backes. In a 2-1 game, he’s got to keep his head about him and not cross-check a guy away from the play, no matter how much you all think he deserves it :)

The Blues were skating with the Wings through the first, but their lack of depth at the moment caught up with them in the second, especially once Johnson went down (any word on his injury?) By the third period, it was pretty clear the Blues were overmatched tonight.

Here’s hoping you get some of your guys back for the next meeting. When the Wings win big next time, we want to be able to say we beat the entire Blues team, not a third of their AHL roster ;)

by Amerinadian on Dec 15, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Even if you think it was a dive

Are you going to argue that McClement didn’t get away with a slash behind the play on Helm’s knee? If not, assuming Holmstrom embellished, its even.

The Wings and their soft, euro game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb_fmWpcbag

Spectr,

Maybe y’all get bonus audio/video on your feed, but what exactly did Holmstrom do to “bait” Backes? I mean, besides be a puss.

by André Boillot on Dec 15, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

hey, I told you guys to nail that doggie door shut

look at the shit that’s crawlin in hera now

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Dec 16, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions

Ad Hominem...

I would like to apologize for my stupid fucking friend for taking your drink and um… drinking it. (I felt really embarrassed and I kinda froze up after that).

But it was really nice to meet you though =)

And I went up to the boards and took pictures, I got a really good one of Boyes. I’ll post em sometime later.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 15, 2010 10:08 PM CST reply actions

I gotta ask

When EJ went down…did you have all sharp objects taken from you?

by I_AM_SPARTACUS on Dec 15, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions

ROFL

see aforementioned

by socalblues on Dec 16, 2010 2:59 AM CST up reply actions

shit’s funny. i LOLed.

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by ilikeboyes on Dec 15, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions

Haha no biggie

Its not a problem at all.

On a futher note my dialouge with a Red Wings fan after the game
RWF-BLUES SUCK!!
Me-No shit wish we could have played when half my team wasn’t hurt
RWF-Ha whatever come up with a better excuse. Your team is a bunch of pussies.
Me-Funny I heard that a lot last year
(crickets)
RWF-Halak SUCKS!! (when I already walked way by)

by Ad Hominem on Dec 15, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions

anytime you are called a "pussy"

reply with “I am what I eat”

best comeback ever.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 15, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions

And then ask, with straight face, "What does that make you?"

And try like hell not to laugh as the implication dawns on the face of your target…or better yet, doesn’t register at all.

I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.

by ahtrap on Dec 15, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions

Apparently incest isn't frowned on in Missouri like it is in the north...

…maybe you shouldn’t brag about it on the net.

by André Boillot on Dec 15, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions

incest? What are you smoking? Put it down and go get a dictionary.

He’s not from WiiM, so I can’t take responsibility…

I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.

by ahtrap on Dec 15, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions

how does eating pussy incest?

Sorry, I don’t understand your reply.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 15, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions

btw

I am from Michigan as well.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 15, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions

It was a nice catch-all

See first of all, “I am what I eat” is one of the lamest rejoinders I’ve heard since grammar school, leading me to believe you’re inbred.

Second of all, apparently lots of people call you a pussy, since you have found it necessary to have a set reply.

Third, if its in fact true that you do eat pussy, given the above, the odds are that its probably your mom’s, hence the incest.

Forgive me for not divining your origins correctly, although with you listing the Steelers and the Blues, Michigan was not an obvious choice. And no, I don’t care how you came to root for either.

by André Boillot on Dec 16, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions

listen, sir

first, if you dont have anything to add to the conversation please kindly find another website to visit.

second, if you’re just going to be a little twat and antagonize people because your hockey team won a game, i’ll ban your ass.

third, i love you mock her comeback as something from grammar school and then pull out a your mom joke. clever.

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by averagejoe on Dec 16, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions

wasn't it though?

funny, the message i got when signing up for this sight was all St. Louis bluster and tough talking. and now its, you better play nice or your banned. gosh, how will i fill my days?

the score had nothing to do with commenting, your homeboy gallagher’s wrap-up, along with Dan and spectr’s comments did.

here’s my addition to the conversation:

empty seats at the Joe? insert hilarious Detroit economy joke. but then look at the attendance figures. last year, 3rd in the league. this year, 6th (but hey, those Hawks fans haven’t figured out they’re not making the playoffs yet, give it time they’ll stop going to games again).

Holmstrom’s a pussy? show me another player who’s taken as much abuse and still makes a living in front of net. the Backes cross check (thanks for the fantasy PIM!), explain the provocation? if there was none, that Holmstrom embellished (in your eyes) is immaterial, that kind of shit shouldn’t be tolerated.

Carnie is a woman? that’s unfortunate, female Steelers fans tend to be quite ugly.

by André Boillot on Dec 16, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions

and you're banned

thanks for playing. i dont feel like dealing with douche bags tonight.

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by averagejoe on Dec 16, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions

Thank you.

For standing up for me. Those comments were very hurtful and it helped me a lot to see that someone stood up and cared.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 16, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions

no problem

you’re family, he’s not. don’t fuck with family.

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by averagejoe on Dec 16, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions

Good on ya, Joe...

Carnie, I’m really sorry you had to sit through that shit. I’m doubly sorry that I wasn’t here late last night to stick up for you, because you know I would have.

As Joe said, you’re family, and you don’t fuck with family. That, more than anytthing else, is what makes SLGT the place to be on the Intarwebz.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 16, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions

just for the record

IMHO, a player like horse teeth is a puss for cheap shooting and then refusing to drop em when called on it. When Mr Ed shows some spine they he won’t be a PUSSY.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Dec 16, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions

ok I was exaggerating a lot with "the best comeback"

But it’s not totally useless. I’ve seen it stop people in their tracks many a times.

And no one’s ever called me a pussy. I am a girl. (I guess that probably doesn’t make much of a difference).

And why do you have to be such a jerk to me? I have never said anything mean to you personally (That I can recall). Telling me that I am “inbred” is pretty much the same as calling me “retarded.” That was very harsh and unnecessary.

SBN nation is supposed to be for fun and some occasional friendly banter (Although I realize a lot of people don’t follow this). Your insults to me were very cruel. I am really sorry if whatever I said personally has offended you enough to cause you to write those words to me.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 16, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions

As a wings fan.

Let me say this guy is a fucking dick.

by Kjell on Dec 16, 2010 1:35 AM CST up reply actions

and he is what he eats!

ZING!

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 16, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions

Haha.

I stop by hear every once in a while and I saw these comments. He is a complete wast of sperm. I am sorry that someone who calls themselves a Wings fan said that to you. He was way off base and a total ass.

by Kjell on Dec 16, 2010 2:44 AM CST up reply actions

Goddamnit

We’re two players getting injured from being the 1970 Marshall football team

by wennington4 on Dec 16, 2010 12:53 AM CST reply actions

I got nothing on the lower bowl thing

Just not worth going down that road. Detroit’s attendance numbers are good. They should be better. Oh well, I don’t live in Michigan and I learned my lesson last time arguing with the lot of you about it.

I’m still not convinced that was an embellishment by Holmstrom. The cross-check caught him right above the pants and blow the chest protector. There’s some protection there, but Backes isn’t a pussy, he’s a big strong man with a big strong cross check that he used twice in that game. Either way, Homer did miss a shift. He wasn’t on the power play unit that scored 24 seconds into the penalty, despite that being his unit. Something like poetic justice that his replacement scored though. Not sure what he has to prove by fighting. No need to beat the other guy when he’s perfectly willing to beat himself. Just to be clear though: yes, Holmstrom dives and I hate that.

I sincerely hope that Johnson isn’t hurt too bad.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 1:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

Replay off Mr. Ed going down like he was pole axed

Let’s see, take Backes off for a PP in a tight game and miss one shift to cover the ruse. Win.

Did those ribs miraculously heal themselves by his next shift? Rolling around like he was gut shot made it appear he was badly hurt. Just a puss cryin wolf. Ya gotta admit it worked, he got a rise out of Backes, put him in the box and got a goal for his team. Puss euro phruit hockey at it’s best. If that’s the type of hockey you enjoy please excuse me while grab a trashcan.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Dec 16, 2010 3:16 AM CST up reply actions

Love that .gif

Love the extended version too.

Holmstrom takes more punishment than anybody who played for either team last night. He pisses off other teams and fans of other teams; we love him for it. You said yourself above, Backes needs to worry about what it’s going to take to make the Blues win, not on taking out his frustrations on the other team’s pest.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 8:28 AM CST up reply actions

JJ, I'll give you the fact that Homstrom takes a lot of punishment...

…but you can’t deny that he dives like a little girl whenever he knows he’s got the zebra’s attention Call it smart hockey, call it whatever you like… it’s not the kind of hockey that real Red Wings of the past used to play.

Ted Lindsay didn’t dive. Gordie Howe didn’t dive. Hell, even Dennis Polonich stood up and gave and took ass-kickings like a man.

Holmstrom won’t, and for that, he gets no respect around here, or I dare say, in 28 other NHL venues…

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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 16, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah, I know trying to defend Homer elsewhere is not exactly going to win hearts & minds

In fact, call it cognitive dissonance if you want to, but the only reason I accept Holmstrom as much as he embellishes is because watching the kind of crap that he takes night in and night out, it’s become pretty clear that with most of the refs around the league, he pretty much has to embellish everything just so they’ll call something. Still, I shake my head plenty when he pulls that shit and rail against him when he takes stupid penalties. The one thing I’m not going to get on him about is for not fighting though.

Yeah, guys like Lindsay and Howe would just as soon drop the gloves with a defender who took liberties with them in front of the net, but guys like Lindsay and Howe also had the skillset to buy them ice time later in the game after serving their five-minute penalties. If Holmstrom spent every shift defending his honor like that, Scotty Bowman would have driven him out of the NHL on rails back in ‘96. Holmstrom simply isn’t good enough at hockey to be worth anything spending a guaranteed five minutes in the box every night with each team’s enforcer, knowing full well that guys like Dan Cleary, Todd Bertuzzi, and Justin Abdelkader are nipping at his heels to be the ones playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg as the board-crashing net-front presence.

So, while you’re likely to be right 70% of the time that you call Holmstrom a diver for a play he just made, I think that cross-check to the ribs was one of the 30%

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions

Homer can't skate, maybe you're confusing that with diving

Also many times players commit penalties on him that are never called, so its all fair when he actually draws a penalty from the opposition.

by Da Soo on Dec 16, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions

Homer can’t skate,

On my NHL 2006 game, Holmstrom is a “circle” player, meaning he can’t do the spin around move.

First they thought I was ASD, and then ADHD, and after a few years of having MD, they told me that I am probably EI. But all I know for sure is that I have TS... Fuck it, just call me alphabet soup.

by Carnie on Dec 16, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions

I'm a huge Wings fan

and I love that everyone here hates on the Homer. He’ll have another cup ring for his thumb soon enough.

by Da Soo on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions

He's getting traded to Pittsburgh?

LA?

Vancouver?

San — no, never mind.

by BleedBlue42 on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions

Puh-leeze.

1) Detroit 5, Blues 2. A defenseman gets a hat trick…a defenseman.

2) Detroit, first in the Central; St. Lousy, last.

You guys cry so damn much, it’s a wonder the Mississippi ain’t overflowing the banks again.

by Shove It on Dec 16, 2010 9:37 AM CST reply actions

As a Red Wing 'fan' sahould know, Lidstrom ain't just any 'defenseman.'

And I heartily endorse you acting out your cleverly-chosen screen name.

Some people really need to find themselves a purpose in life.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 16, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

'should'... damned typos...

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 16, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

Addressing JLA attendence

Lots of companies buy tickets for Wings games and never use them; I know that my uncle gets free tickets all the time from his company and can’t always use them or find someone to use them. In addition, it is standard practice in the Joe that ushers keep patrons from returning to their seats during play as to not obstruct the view of other patrons that chose not to leave their seats. Not giving excuses, just reasons that sound like excuses!

by Da Soo on Dec 16, 2010 11:30 PM CST reply actions