Blues and the Officials 2010
In my mind, I'm the kind of guy who doesn't believe that officials determine the outcome of hockey games. I'm the guy who believes that bad calls go both ways and that the refs are just human beings who are doing the best they can and who will sometimes make mistakes simply because they didn't see something due to the speed of the game or the angle on the play or because they actually saw the play better than those of us in the 300 level did.
But that's just in my mind.
In reality, I see conspiracies everywhere I look and the rink is no exception. I see officials who blow calls because they are inept or because they have a problem with a specific player or a specific team or because they are making up a call from their last game for against one of the two teams playing that night.
So, for our game day paper (which, if you haven't seen it, is glorious: Game Time - Caps 12.1.10) we have been tracking the calls for and against the Blues in every one of their games. I had thought (hoped) that most would play out at about 50/50 on calls for and against the Note. I'd also hoped that the Blues record in those games would play out to be equal across the years, no matter who was officiating the games.
In some cases, the referees are just that: totally equal, totally non-descript across the season and across their careers. Unfortunately, that's not the case for everyone. There are definitely some seemingly pro-Blues and anti-Blues referees. The chart below shows the stats we have been keeping since 2007-08. The only factor this does not account for is that the NHL does not keep (or at least, does not publish) penalty calls by referee - they are kept only by ref team. Therefore, every penalty called during Blues games has been attributed to both referees calling the game that night. The problem is that if one guy calls five penalties against the Blues and the other guy calls none, both get credited for all five. Hopefully this is evened out because there are no set "teams" of referees in the NHLOA, most refs call games with a different guy every game. (There are some exceptions, including the Blues games this weekend games in Canada which were both officiated by Marc Joannette and Chris Lee).
| No. | Official | Born | 1st Game | 2010-2011 | Since 2007 | |||||||||||
| Blues Games | Blues PP | Blues PK | W | L | OTL | Blues Games | Blues PP | Blues PK | W | L | OTL | |||||
| 3 | Leggo, Mike | North Bay, ON | 1997 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 21 | 84 | 79 | 11 | 7 | 3 | |
| 4 | McCauley, Wes | Georgetown, ON | 2003 | 8 | 23 | 29 | 4 | 3 | 1 | |||||||
| 5 | Rooney, Chris | Boston, MA | 2000 | 19 | 79 | 87 | 6 | 8 | 5 | |||||||
| 7 | McCreary, Bill | Guelph, ON | 1984 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 15 | 67 | 67 | 6 | 8 | 1 | |
| 8 | Jackson, Dave | Montreal, PQ | 1990 | 2 | 12 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 14 | 59 | 60 | 8 | 6 | 0 | |
| 9 | O'Rourke, Dan | Calgary, AB | 1999 | 1 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 55 | 42 | 4 | 4 | 3 | |
| 10 | Devorski, Paul | Guelph, ON | 1989 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 12 | 54 | 54 | 4 | 6 | 2 | |
| 11 | Sutherland, Kelly | Richmond, BC | 2000 | 3 | 9 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 14 | 46 | 50 | 4 | 9 | 1 | |
| 12 | St. Pierre, Justin | Dolbeau, PQ | 2003 | 1 | 7 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 54 | 51 | 9 | 1 | 2 | |
| 13 | O'Halloran, Dan | Essex, ON | 1995 | 2 | 11 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 18 | 87 | 98 | 9 | 7 | 2 | |
| 14 | LaRue, Dennis | Savannah, GA | 1991 | 3 | 14 | 12 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 17 | 68 | 66 | 7 | 6 | 4 | |
| 15 | Auger, Stephane | Montreal, PQ | 2000 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 18 | 86 | 100 | 9 | 8 | 1 | |
| 16 | Pochmara, Brian | Detroit, MI | 2006 | 3 | 20 | 13 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 19 | 82 | 93 | 10 | 5 | 4 | |
| 17 | L'Ecuyer, Frederick | Tois Riveres, PQ | 2007 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 16 | 16 | 1 | 4 | 0 | |
| 18 | Kimmerly, Greg | Toronto, ON | 1996 | 2 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 21 | 73 | 86 | 8 | 9 | 4 | |
| 19 | Dwyer, Gord | Halifax, NS | 2003 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 19 | 77 | 70 | 9 | 9 | 1 | |
| 20 | Peel, Tim | Toronto, ON | 1999 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 21 | 77 | 81 | 9 | 9 | 3 | |
| 21 | VanMassenhoven, Don | Parkhill, ON | 1993 | 15 | 66 | 79 | 10 | 3 | 2 | |||||||
| 23 | Watson, Brad | Regina, Sas | 1996 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 17 | 72 | 85 | 6 | 8 | 3 | |
| 24 | Walkom, Stephen | North Bay, ON | 1990 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 18 | 17 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |
| 25 | Joannette, Marc | Verdun, PQ | 1999 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 14 | 55 | 60 | 5 | 6 | 3 | |
| 26 | Martell, Rob | Winnipeg, MB | 1996 | 17 | 73 | 83 | 11 | 5 | 1 | |||||||
| 27 | Furlatt, Eric | Trois-Rivieres, PQ | 2001 | 4 | 14 | 12 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 18 | 70 | 78 | 8 | 8 | 2 | |
| 28 | Lee, Chris | St John, NB | 2001 | 3 | 16 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 21 | 97 | 97 | 7 | 11 | 3 | |
| 29 | Walsh, Ian | Philadelphia, PA | 2000 | 2 | 7 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 15 | 56 | 67 | 7 | 8 | 0 | |
| 30 | Hasenfratz, Mike | Regina, SK | 2000 | 6 | 19 | 20 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |||||||
| 32 | Kowal, Tom | Vernon, BC | 2000 | 2 | 9 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 16 | 63 | 68 | 6 | 7 | 3 | |
| 33 | Pollock, Kevin | Kincardine, ON | 2000 | 1 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 17 | 64 | 70 | 8 | 7 | 2 | |
| 34 | Meier, Brad | Dayton, OH | 1999 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 18 | 73 | 67 | 8 | 7 | 3 | |
| 36 | Morton, Dean | Peterborough, ON | 2000 | 12 | 51 | 55 | 7 | 4 | 1 | |||||||
| 37 | Rehman, Kyle | Stettler, AB | 2008 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 19 | 18 | 3 | 0 | 2 | |
| 38 | St Laurent, Francois | Greenfield Park, PQ | 2006 | 2 | 13 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 48 | 43 | 5 | 3 | 2 | |
| 40 | Kozari, Steve | Penticton, BC | 2006 | 2 | 6 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 18 | 81 | 80 | 12 | 6 | 0 | |
| 41 | Ciamaga, Chris | Buffalo, NY | 2008 | 2 | 8 | 10 | 1 | 1 | 0 | |||||||
| 43 | Jean Hebert | Bouctouche, NB | 2010 | |||||||||||||
| 44 | Banfield, Steve | Halifax, NS | 2008 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 20 | 16 | 3 | 1 | 0 | |
| 45 | Marcus Vinnerborg | Ljungby, SWE | 2010 | |||||||||||||
| 46 | Charron, Francis | Gatineau, PQ | 2010 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||||
| 49 | Hebert, Ghislain | Dieppe, NB | 2009 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 8 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 0 | |
| TOTALS | 26 | 105 | 98 | 13 | 9 | 4 | 1027 | 1080 | 117 | 99 | 33 | |||||
You serious statheads (that reads STATheads, smartass) can probably break this down better than I can, but a few points jump out at me that I've listed after the jump.
- These guys seem like they're pro-Blues this year:
- Chris Lee (2-0-1 record, 16 PP vs 11 PK)
- Eric Furlatt (record is 3-1 in his games)
- Francois St. Laurent (2-0, 13 PP to 6 PK)
- Steve Kozari (2-0, though the Blues have had fewer PP (6) to PK (10) in his games)
- Dan O'Rourke (only one game, but 7-3 PP to PK ratio)
- Brian Pochmara (2-1 record, but nearly 2 more PP than PK per game at 20 PP vs 13 PK)
- These guys seem like they're anti-Blues this year:
- Stephane Auger (0-1 record, 2 PP vs 6 PK) and his game partner that night...
- Brad Meier (0-1 record, 2 PP vs 6 PK)
- Greg Kimmerly (0-1-1 record, 4 PP and 8 PK)
- Frederick L'Ecuyer (0-2 record).
- Historically (well, since 2007) the Blues have had a winning record at 117-99-33. The Blues have a losing record during that time when these guys officiate their games. File these guys under Do Not Want:
- Frederick L'Ecuyer (1-4)
- Chris Lee (7-14 - wait, what? Maybe he just went pro-Blues this season....)
- Chris Rooney (6-13)
- Greg Kimmerly (8-13)
- Brad Watson (6-11)
- Marc Joannette (5-9)
- Another group of historical stay-aways are these guys, not because of the Blues record in their games, but because of how many penalties they call against the good guys in the Bluenote:
- Stephane Auger (86 PP, 100 PK)
- Don VanMassenhoven (66 PP, 79 PK in 15 games)
- Brad Watson (72 PP, 85 PK)
- The historical good guys? These fine gentlemen clearly know a good, hard-playing group of hockey players who may dance the line but always do the right thing:
- Justin St. Pierre (9-1-2 record)
- Dean Morton (7-4-1)
- Steve Kozari (12-6-0)
- New guy Steve Banfield (3-1-0 and 20 PP vs 16 PK).
There are plenty of reasons to chant "Ref You Suck" during games and sometimes they are justified and sometimes they are justified. But most of the time the zebras are doing their best. If you analyze most of the guys in the chart above they fall into the neutral category in terms of penalties called for and against the Blues. Most of them are pretty close to neutral on record when they officiate.
But there are some guys, you know? Some guys we just shouldn't trust and some guys we should buy a beer after the game, just to, you know, keep them liking their time in St. Louis.
My personal list looks like this:
Refs I Don't Want:
- Brad Watson
- Fredrick L'Ecuyer
- Chris Rooney
Refs I Want To See Every Night:
- Steve Kozari
- Justin St. Pierre
As for the much-maligned Tim Peel? Well, as his stas show, he's pretty neutral in Blues games, having a 9-9-3 record since 2007 (1-1-0 this year) and only a slight number against the Blues in calls (77-81 since 2007, 5-7 this year). The problem is that Peel tends to make the calls that make him stand out. How many referees do you know their jersey number? Tim Peel's is No. 20. With guys like Peel and (name your most hated here) it's the controversial calls that make them stand out, not the quantity of calls for or against.
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We call it 2 minutes for living in Brentwood
Borderline elbow call? Blow the whistle.
Borderline boarding? Blow the whistle.
Kind of roughing but not really? Blow the whistle.
There isn’t a lot of gray area when Peel is calling a game. He goes out of his way to make sure he calls it close with the Blues. And I would wager cash money he knows the number of calls he’s made for and against the Blues.
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I still maintain that he makes at least one completely head-scratching call against the Blues every game, just to prove that he isn’t a homer.
by The Goalie Guy on Dec 8, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
How is he a homer???
It has his hometown listed as Toronto
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This is great info, but at what point are we going to stop making excuses for our team. Bottom line is every team get the bad calls and every team gets hit with injuries. It is what it is…what matters the most is finding ways to get 2 points a game and as of late we they are not doing it.
I don't know that it's an excuse, but it's a reason.
They won the worst-refereed game in recent memory that I’ve ever seen. (Thrashers) They always get the short end of the refereeing stick like everybody else against the Penguins and Detroit…. it is what it is. While every team gets hit with injuries, I can’t remember a team losing its three best forwards and its best defensive defenseman simultaneously for ten weeks during the season.
Even if you argue that the guys we have are second-liners at best, that’s an entire second-line and I don’t think any team has the depth to do much more than fill in the third line; there’s going to be a noticeable hole somewhere, and few teams actually have the defensive depth to fill a second-pairing (let alone a first) pairing hole.
by The Goalie Guy on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if theres any correlation to the numbers here
but its interesting nonetheless and fun to examine
No one here is trying to make excuses for the Blues, since they’ve lost four key players now and everyone probably knew that the Blues weren’t good with forward depth. Injuries happen and everyone knows that. You deal with them as they happen. Again, we don’t have any excuses for the way we’ve played, but its tough when you lose all the players we have
Hail to the Blues
Yes every team has injuries...
but not all at the SAME time. That’s the difference. This isn’t like we lost Oshie for 10 games, Happy Meal for 10 games and Frenchy for 10 games but they are spread out. It’s all happened in one snowball of hell. If you can’t pick up on this small difference….man I don’t know what you should do with yourself
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Awesome read
I’ve never really focused on the refs before. I am like any fan of any team, I think all refs are out to screw my team. I’ll have to save this and check it out before all Blues games to see how we might fair.
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figures dont lie
but liars figure. nothing like a mound of stats to shift though to make peoples day :)
weird things: vanmassenhoven has us an extra penatly a game almost, yet we are 10-3. maybe he feels shame and calls off an opponet goal or two for kicking motions and the like? i’d rather the extra 1.45 in the box and the win than a powerplay and a loss :)
i suspect ref stats are like the plus minus, invaluable but incomplete on their own. the thing i would caution about THESE ref stats is when the blues sucked (and for a lot of this they did) and they played another sucky team ( about 41 games a year for a few years ) we got the worse damn refs available. ON PURPOSE. this will slant things bad. good refs we should have losing records on because they only reffed us when we played on national tv vs the wings and the penguins and the capitals….
if i got to see something added to this conversation this is it:
find some fan-based ref rating system or do a quality of teams on the bums :)
and yea i’m kinda serious. the nhl pees itself when people try to rank refs. searching the net for ref ranking is hard and usually disappointing, but if we can figure out a ref ranking (and a generic ref ranking not a blues specific love/hate) or we can run a program figuring out what the average record is of the teams they ref when they ref em, i would find that very useful. who refs the best teams most often? who sucks so bad the nhf sends them to the islander/oiler tilts?!?
we’ve seen furlatt 4 times already. pretty much twice as often as anyone else, 4 times as often as most of them! does he suck? did the nhl think we would miss the playoffs and send him to us OR since we ROCKED out of the gate does he kick all butts and that is why we got him 4 times. or does he get sleepy at 9pm so wont do west coast teams? I WANNA KNOWS!!!!
the last time i even tried to do somethign like that i found out the refs union has no sched of their guys so unless you start going gamelog by gamelog you don’t get no satisfaction!
open door ref policy. not just a good idea. it should be the law. of the jungle.
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by Childhood Trauma on Dec 8, 2010 6:13 PM CST reply actions
Odd that Pochmara's traditionally in the bag for us...
… considering he’s from Detroit. VanMassenhoven’s awful regardless of where he’s calling stuff – whenever he comes down here to ATL the Thrashers get screwed. I just think he delights in pissing of home fans.
Great stuff as usual… I wish that the league’d release penalties called by team, but I can certainly see why they’d not really want to.
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Wasn't there a controversy with Stephane Auger and some player who said that Auger hated him?
And that Auger allegedly threatened to the player that he would call penalties on him or look away if someone was going to hurt him or something like that?
kinda
Auger has twice been caught up in on-ice controversy. In an NHL game on December 13, 2005, in Montreal, he assessed Phoenix Coyotes captain Shane Doan a misconduct penalty after concluding he verbally abused an official and made culturally insensitive comments against the referees, who were French-Canadian. The NHL reviewed the allegations against Doan and concluded that they were baseless.3 After a game on January 11, 2010, Vancouver Canucks forward Alexandre Burrows accused Auger of having a personal vendetta resulting from an incident in a previous game. Burrows stated that Auger told him before the game that he was going to “get him back” for making the official look bad previously.4 Burrows received four penalties in the third period of the game, a Vancouver loss against the Nashville Predators.5 The league investigated Burrows’ claims and concluded that they could not be substantiated, while stating that “Referee Auger’s intentions were beyond reproach.”6
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by Childhood Trauma on Dec 8, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Pochmara
stood out as good for us. Pts in 14 out of 19 games.
Great stats considering the NHL refs keep stats locked up and guarded like Fort Knox
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