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I've neen wanting to write this post for a while but never got around too it.  There have been ideas and theories rolling around in my head I think make absolute sense but never get a chance to discuss them so here I am not doing my homework at 11, gotta wake up in 7 hours writing this fanpost, here it is.

 

The 2010/2011 St. Louis Blues.

 

Forwards

Contract Expires.

Kariya-Gone

Tkachuk -Gone

Steen- Keep

Perron-Keep

Winchester-UGH-Ideally we minor league him for a year but hes a UFA and I think management is crazy enough to keep him, wish we could free his spot up but im not sure.

Janssen - Keep

King - See winchester.  Hoping hes gone but I don't know.

 

Line LW-C-RW

1 Perron - AndyMac - Boyes

2 Oshie - Iceburg - Backes (was Backes left or right?)

3 Steen - Jay- Cromb

4 ? - Stasney- Killa Cam

Ideally we would grab a guy worth 5-6 mil off UFA to fill in our top line but there ain't anything available this offseason.  There might be a few teams who can't afford their RFA and we trade for their rights but I'm not sure who they would be.  If we are going to get any help this year offensively it will be from within or trade.  The kid line will step it up offensively over what we were this year most likely.  The whole team was just flukishly bad and hopefully the kids will mature enough to provide competent offense.  I'm not sure who to call up for the last 3 forward spots.  I think Stas gets one.  People will say Eller but it's not entirely about skill, the kids gotta get physically and mentally ready for playing in the NHL, having him chill in "The Peoria" for a while is going to help his development.  I think we sign an Armstrong/Hinote type on the fourth line and possibly drazenovich.  If we want to be a playoff team next year the players we currently have sitting on this roster need to play better.

 

My first line is pretty small but I think the entire top six is really interchangable.  If Boyes doesn't play like hes top line material we might be sunk, he doesn't get the attention of the kids but hes a 40 goal scorer and has to get his shot back if we want to win.  Either Boyes starts producing or we overpay for a goal scorer, our options are limited there unless Perron develops faster than hes currently showing.  Iceburg is turning it around and I think he has a breakout year next year.  Oshie can be a playmaker, he doesn't have the scoring touch the other guys do but hes got a ton of skill and energy.  He can dig the puck out from the corners and he makes good passes so I don't think he will hurt the team being on a scoring line.  I'm not entirely sold on Backes being an offensive threat.  I think realistically hes a 25 goal scorer from here on out who brings a ton more to his line than just points.  AndyMac is who he is, not very big but he can make points happen.

 

Our third line is money in the bank and I wouldn't change them.  If we could get stempniak back for 2.5 mil I would do that move in a heartbeat, hes a extremely good 2 way player up in Toronto who was getting a lot of points on a crappy line.  Having Stemp/Jay/Steen/Cromb rotating the third line being both an offensive and defensive threat is just a fantastic asset.  Our fourth line is what it is, they will bring energy/hits/spare parts for the other 3 lines and thats really all you can ask.

 

Defense

Johnson -Resign

Cola- Resign

Sydor-Gone

Weaver-Resign?

 

Polak/Jackman

Brewer/Johnson

Cola/Weav/Pie

 

Theres really not a lot to say here.  We could use a first line D-Man for about 2-3 years while pie develops.  Unfortunately I don't see one coming up for sale in our price range for the years we need.  If we do manage to get one in the offseason we drop weaver and roll Jack/newguy/Polak on the first time and have that shift everyone else down accordingly.  If we drop weaver anyway I think we will probably call up Strachan or Junland and make them our 7th man.  Most likely Strach since junland needs the playing time in the AHL.  The only real changeup that would happen here is if we don't resign Cola, in which case we need an offensive D-Man from somewhere.  Pie in, sydor out, end of story.

 

Goaltending.

Mason-UFA-Dunno.

I really don't know about Mason.  If we resign him for 2 years at 4 mil it won't break my heart but at the same time if we wan't to go the distance we need better.  Mason will let in 1 weaksauce goal a night and give you some solid tending the rest of the way.  I don't think hes a great goaltender but hes still a good one and I'm just not entirely sure what to do with him.  I think this decision is made for the blues already though because there are never any goaltenders on the market.  If halak comes on the market we make a run at him, Slide tackling atlanta goalie, one of nashvilles goalies, who else is out there for us to pick up?  I'd be happy to see if we can turn a young backup who show's potential into the starter but that's what weve done with Mason and really he is performing well for us.  If there's a reasonably priced upgrade over Mason out there we take it, if not we resign Mason for 4 mil and go from there.

 

Money.

As we sit right now were 6 mil under the cap.  Losing Kariya/Walt/Winny/Sydor/King gives us about 11mil in cap money to work with.

Offensive

Steen -Half a mil(2.5)

Perron - 2.5 mil(3-3.5)

Janssen-Stay same.

The 3 replacements for the 4th line will cost about .5-1mil.

 

Defense

Johnson-Makes 1mil but has a 3.7cap hit because of bonuses for being first overall.  He actually hasn't done anything for the blues aside from show potential.  If we bump him up to 4mil I think he takes it.

Cola-Hes a UFA and can ask anywhere from 2mil-3.5mil, us signing him really depends on what hes asking for.  If its just 2.5 mil we make that deal.

Weaver Stays the same.

We add Pies cap hit to the roster for 3 mil.

 

Mason maybe gets a mil raise, I don't know.

Payroll Cuts=11ish

Payroll addition=9ish.

Leaves us about 7mil to add a big player if the opportunity is there.  To me this is ideally what we pick up somehow, most likely through trades.

1st line forward for 4-6mil for 3-5 years.

1st line Defense for 3-5 mil for 2 years.

Elite goaltender for 6 mil-3 years.

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i agree

with a few but stastny wont be back, other then staying in peoria, and yes a few free agents need to be signed but overall i think next year they need to let some of the prospects up and see where they stand in the rebuilding project and possible look to trade and upgrade while their values are high

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by DESTROYER on Feb 8, 2010 8:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well

Strickland has just tweeted that the Blues have made other GM’s aware that Colaiacovo is available.

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by drfrankentweed on Feb 8, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think

it would better to sell high on a player that is a UFA and from a position we have depth

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by DESTROYER on Feb 9, 2010 7:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My first big post. Be gentle.

A lot of money and a lot of speculation, so what I’ve got isn’t probably going to be accurate or even make much sense in the long-run. I guess this is just Internet Be A GM 2010.

The Blues need some identity here (among some other things for that damn puzzle). Now, I know we can’t be some All-Star Eastern Conference team like the Caps or Penguins, and I know St. Louis can’t be as flashy (read: bandwagon-accessible) as Chicago.. but what I do know is that St. Louis fans still remember and enjoy old-school hockey. As much as I hate to say it, I think the Flyers play a pretty entertaining game.

What the Blues need is a solid mix between play-making goal-scorers and Ozark-dentists, and this lineup is close to getting that:

Forwards
1. Berglund-Backes-Oshie
2. Perron-Andy-Boyes
3. Steen-Jay-BJ
4. Winchester-Tkachuk-Janssen
Defense
1. Brewer-Johnson
2. Jackman-Polak
3. Weaver-Pie
Goalies
1. NotABackup?
2. Conklin/Mason

Yeah, that’s right: I didn’t change anything. What’re you gonna do about it?

This isn’t a roster revelation because I’m far too unimaginative for that line of work. The idea here is a template lineup: poster-boy Backes centering the kids on the Top Line starts off a physical game with scoring wingers and a heavy-hitting offensive (look out, Nash), clearing the path for the Speed Line to play their brand of skill-game. The Defensive Line that we all know and love covers the panic-moments, and the Physical Line comes out to shake things up while keeping a scoring threat (it’s hard to get goals when your hands are filled with teeth). The Defense is a Top-Line that needs to meet expectations, dependabilibuddies throwing checks and “You’re an Idiot” looks left-and-right, and a reliable defensive-d who can cover for the newbie’s mistakes while killing Blackhawks. In net, we have an emotional decision: Mason’s contract is over, Conklin’s isn’t. Have to go for one of the two, and start searching for a franchise player (probably sooner than later).

So all in all?
On the offensive, we have strong physical play, batshit-insane scoring, reliable forwards to keep us anchored and a line that keeps the teeth-business booming. On the defensive, we have enough “you’re an idiot” looks and dangerous monkey-boys flying around to keep the net safe. In net.. well let’s hope we find someone to plug that gap.

Why would anyone want this?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I don’t care if we ever get a Stanley Cup as long as we’ve got a team more exciting than a three-ring circus and an NHL that has a healthy fear of the rumble in the river city. Bettman may have forgotten about the West, but I still have a signed Kelly Chase/Tony Twist mousepad on my desk that demands blood.

by russkidan on Feb 8, 2010 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you're far off

This team has still-developing super talent and little change will be good I think. Big Walt has proven he has plenty of game left to go on better than a fourth line though, look at how many teams are starved for lefties. Speaking of the tough guys— Basil McRae’s kid did well for US in world Jr’s!

by jdonk17 on Feb 8, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha, Phil isn’t going to be a Basil like player, but he’s still one of hte better youngsters we’ve got. Outside of the bunch currently in the NHL/Eller, naturally.

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by Novacain on Feb 8, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Tkachuk thing is the real wild card there.

I almost think he’s going to retire this year. After taking that puck to the face I just don’t know he’ll be back again.

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by BluesTiger on Feb 8, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

I imagine that if Walt goes, the Blues will probably try to fill his role with someone like Derek Armstrong; strong locker-room leadership and reliable centering.

by russkidan on Feb 8, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just win, baby
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I don’t care if we ever get a Stanley Cup as long as we’ve got a team more exciting than a three-ring circus and an NHL that has a healthy fear of the rumble in the river city

I respectfully disagree. I’ve been a Blues fan since 1970 and I don’t care if we’re the softest team in the conference league as long as we hoist The Cup. Just once before I die hockey gods. Please?

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by baroose on Feb 9, 2010 8:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I’ll give my thoughts as well. I think the best way to go about this is look at what we have right now, and were they would fit going forward.

Forwards Signed Through Next Season on NHL roster.
Andy McDonald, Brad Boyes, David Backes, Jay McClement, TJ Oshie, Patrick Berglund, BJ Crombeen

Defensemen signed through Next Season on NHL roster.
Eric Brewer, Barrett Jackman, Roman Polak

Goaltender signed through Next Season on NHL Roster
Ty Conklin

That leaves us with this depth chart
McDonald/Backes/Boyes
?/Berglund/Oshie
?/?/?
???/McClement/Crombeen

Defensemen
Jackman/Polak
Brewer/?
?/???

Goalies
???
Conklin

Now, I’m not nearly as good as reading cap info as I used to be, but we’re looking at a good deal of cap space. Lets assume that we re-sign each of our “big 3” RFA’s, and either Cam or King, and update our depth chart.

McDonald/Backes/Boyes
Perron/Berglund/Oshie
Steen/?/?
???/McClement/Crombeen
Healthy Scratch: Jannsen

Defensemen
Jackman/Polak
Brewer/Johnson
?/?

Goalies
???
Conklin

Course, Jannsen could fit more into the “healthy scratch” role, and McClement and Crombeen, in a perfect world, are still more along the lines of PK duty type of players (Or McClement grows past it, which he’s close too. He still screams “really good 4th line C” to me.

Now, lets look at the prospects that you have to think are gonna be given a real shot at making the NHL roster. This year, there are 2 obvious canidates. Lars Eller is leading Peoria in points, is a former 1st round draft pick that’s been getting accustomed to the North American style of play. I’m not sure if you wanna call him a “lock” to make the NHL next year, but I’d say the odds are really good, and that it won’t be in a 4th line role.

Then there is Alex Pietrangelo. The development of Alex has been slower then I think we’d like, but the talent is there, and we put ourselves in a difficult position when we signed Sydor with him. I’d say there actually is a chance he goes to Peoria to play last year, but for sake of the argument, I’m going to assume he makes the NHL roster.

That leaves us with…

McDonald/Backes/Boyes
Perron/Berglund/Oshie
Steen/?/Eller
?/McClement/Crombeen
Healthy Scratch: Jannsen

Defensemen
Jackman/Polak
Brewer/Johnson
Pietrangelo/???

Goalies
???
Conklin

Now things are starting to come together! From here is when I stop being useful. If Tkachuk returns, he could fit into the 3rd line C role, if he retires, we could sign a C or RW since Eller is well versed at either. We can pick up a 4th line defensive minded player without much problem. Weaver could be a good 6th D-Man option, and Carlo could come back as well. There is also the possibility that we buy out the last year of Brewers contract.

The Goaltending front,, honestly, I have no clue what to say about the best options around.

Honestly, our free agent spending will probably be cheap players unless we get ballsy and make a run at Kovalchuk.

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by Novacain on Feb 8, 2010 8:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Offseason Moves

I still think we have to let the kids mature another year before we can get a more accurate read on what their ceiling is. As far as goal tending is concerned we talked about making a run at RFA Josh Harding last year and I would love to see that again. Or do what we have the last 3 years with a career backup being the starter (Conklin) and have him split time with Big Ben. Stempniak became a favorite of mine when the blues were complete shit so I am all for him returning. I know the blues have been painful to watch but I think trading away a Berglund/Perron/Petro and they become the players the blues thought they were going to be when we drafted them would be way more painful. Sign Stempniak cheap try to make a run at Kovy or offer some RFA contracts i.e Ryan, Backstrom, Wheeler

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by BluesFan#2 on Feb 9, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

my lines

for next year

perron/macdonald/backes
kariya/oshie/berglund
steen/jay mc/ crombeen
winchester/thackuk/eller

johnson/brewer
jackman/ pietranglo
polak/cola

by stlballa on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i feel

we should trade mcClement and jackman to the caps for neurwith and a young forward prospect. bring neurwith to camp and watch him win the starting job.

by stlballa on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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by Icion on Feb 10, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks more like a jump-off point.

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by Donut King on Feb 11, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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