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Cam Janssen Goes Sleeveless

In the completely awesome 4-2 win over the Blackhawks last night, winger Cam Janssen got into a pair of fights, the second one earning him a game misconduct and his 20th penalty minute of the game. Nice effort, sir.

In the comments of the game wrap, super commenter Spectr17 mentioned that Janssen got his arm out of his sleeve to give him an advantage in the fight. Here's the bout:


As you can see, about half way through the scrap, Janssen uses his right hand to hold his sleeve to pull his left arm out of the sleeve. And then Janssen starts swing. HUGE. In fact his punches are so big and out of control, he loses his balance and pulls both of them down to the ice. Even though he didn't capitalize on it, pulling his arm out definitely gave Janssen the advantage.

As Spectr17 mentioned, it's a move kind of reminiscent of Rob Ray, one of the biggest punchers in the league in the last 30 years. Ray had a reputation for not using the fighting strap in the back of his jersey. The end result would be the opponent pulling on the jersey trying to slow Ray's manic punches. And as the guy pulled, Ray's arm was still free to wail away. He also had a reputation of totally losing his shirt, fighting bareback. Watch this highlight reel. There's at least two or three fights where he did the arm slip:


That guy was a fucking maniac. And he did every thing he could, in the rules and against them, to get an advantage in a fight. He's like the godfather of the shirtless fighter. There is no "Show us your tits, Cam!" without Rob Ray. And we also wouldn't have the "Rob Ray Rule" in the NHL, the requirement for players to tie down the back of their jerseys. Under rule 56 in the NHL rule book:

A player who deliberately removes his sweater prior to participating in an altercation or who is clearly wearing a sweater that has been modified and does not conform to Rule 24A - Players' Jerseys shall be assessed a minor penalty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct and a game misconduct. This is in addition to other penalties to be assessed to the participants of an altercation.

A player who engages in fisticuffs and whose sweater is removed (completely off his torso), other than through the actions of his opponent in the altercation or through the actions of the Linesman, shall be assessed a game misconduct penalty.

A player who engages in fisticuffs and whose sweater is not properly "tied-down" (sweater properly fastened to pants), and who loses his sweater (completely off his torso) in that altercation, shall receive a game misconduct.

Let's talk about the bold text for a moment. Slipping the arm is not a violation of the letter of the law, the completely off his torso phrase, but it is a deliberate action that doesn't happen as a part of the opponent's actions, the spirit of the law. Interesting to see if this catches on if the rule is eventually changed to intentionally removing any part of the jersey.

So it's interesting to see other fighters pulling the arm slip. With the advance of the jab punch using the hand grabbing the jersey collar (I hate that move by the way, seems like a cowardly punch), the arm slip is the perfect counter. Here's a perfect example. A guy named Zenon Konopka (sounds like a robot from the Terminator series) does the arm slip on Michael Blunden. And Konopka uses the technique to dominate the fight and end it early. Here, watch:


With the advent of online fight videos like the ones posted by our friends at Fried Chicken's Hockey Fight Site, fighters can watch and study their opponents. They see what other guys are doing and what's working. They know what guys are likely to do and what their strengths and weaknesses are. It's like studying a goaltender in shootouts or hitters watching a pitcher's delivery in baseball. Except we're talking about trying to find a way to hurt another player, or keep from getting hurt. And it also leads to copycats.

Obviously the tie-down rule with the backs of jerseys is there for a reason. And slipping the arm is for now a legal way to circumvent that rule. I'm not sure how a guy defends against the technique, but it will be itnerestin got see how many other players adopt the slip and what fighters come up with to combat it.

So commenters, what do you think of the arm slip? Legal? Cool new way to see big punches? Underhanded? Let us know down below.

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The ROB RAY RULE

“The league was horrified at the sight of a half-naked men flailing away at an opponent with roundhouse rights and straight-ahead lefts while crowds roared in delight.”

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Mar 31, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

legal? who knows?

but if i remember correctly, Twister didn’t EVER tie down his jersey. i remember seeing him get in plenty of fights and then immediately bounced afterward.

Paul Kariya's hips don't lie and he's starting to feel it's right.

by NateTheGreat. on Mar 31, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

anything to see the big ones thrown.

I’m so sick of the whole jab thing. It’s bush league, plain and simple.
Between the overly-strict interpretation of the Rob Ray (which, honestly, is a better option than no Rob Ray Rule) and the instigator, how are these guys supposed to have good, clean scraps?

"Get out there on the ice and let 'em know you're there. Get that fuckin' stick in their side. Let 'em know you're there! Get that lumber in his teeth. Let 'em know you're there!"
" Bleed all over 'em. Let 'em know you're there."

by Crapchesterian on Mar 31, 2010 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

soooo...

nhl ok with a quarter-nude man flailing away to the delight of a cheering crowd?

i bet they drop a fine in for doing it just so they can pretned they care about the sanctity of the game to those pundints who fearing the fighting in the NHL is bad. or maybe the mitten rule, where the gloves are attacked to the uni via mitten clamps making it difficult to remove your gloves AND a sleeve at the same time.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Mar 31, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything to get rid of the jersey jab rule, which I think is what Crapchesterian is trying to get at there.

I fucking hate that thing. It just looks like they’re shaking fists and putting ’em up on a hook. It makes ’em look like douchebags.

Anything to get rid of this would be helpful. So let ‘em throw some roundhouses. If the opponent gets hurt . . . well, then he shouldn’t have gotten into it in the first fucking place.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.

by Donut King on Mar 31, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I detest the jersey jab also

I really don’t know how these guy can even chuck punches with all the heavy upper body pads, plus a tie down strap to boot. In the olden daze we just had thin cotton shoulder pads and tiny this elbow pads, you hardly felt any restraint in a fight. No wonder the first thing you see many fighters do today is shuck them fuckin jumbo sized elbow pads. Watching fighters today try and get untangled from their uniforms reminds me of watching crazy Uncle Larry try and swing with his straight jacket on at Bellfontaine when his jello was late.

The instigator along with the Razor rule suck and should be removed. Speaking of Razor, nice video. What a fucking buzzsaw that dude was.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Mar 31, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Why CAM got a gamer
47.2 Aggressor: The aggressor in an altercation shall be the player (or goalkeeper) who continues to throw punches in an attempt to inflict punishment on his opponent who is in a defenseless position or who is an unwilling combatant.

A player (or goalkeeper) must be deemed the aggressor when he has clearly won the fight but he continues throwing and landing punches in a further attempt to inflict punishment and/or injury on his opponent who is no longer in a position to defend himself.

A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.

A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation will have this recorded as an aggressor of an altercation for statistical and suspension purposes.

A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be both the instigator and aggressor of an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, a ten-minute misconduct (instigator) and a game misconduct penalty (aggressor).

I seem to recall a sub paragraph to rule 47.2 (47.2a) that states:

If aggressor is wailing upon a Chicago Blackhawk player this rule is null and void.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Mar 31, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

It's a never called rule

but I guess they’re trying to call it tight now.
On KMOX tonight Davis said Cam threw one punch to many.
Watching the fight I’d say that was true but how many times have we heard this used.
Never that I can remember.

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by luvhockey on Mar 31, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't remember a time when they invoked this rule either

I’ve seen several punches this year alone where the other guy was tied up or down on the ice and no gamer was called.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Apr 1, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

does anyone remember

a shift of two before this, as Cam was trying to get off of the ice some guy (probably Eager) grabbed him pulled him back on and tried to go at it. Cam stood there looking at the refs wondering where the call was as he got a couple of fists coming at his head. . . where was this rule 47.2 then . . . he clearly wasn’t a “willing combatant” seeing as he had his gloves on and was in the middle of a line change. . .

I think Cam was right in his comments claiming this was an easy way for the refs to get him off the ice. . . it needs to be called both ways or not at all.

by breibird on Apr 1, 2010 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting article

I remember reading somewhere that shortly after the Rob Ray Rule was instated and fight straps were mandatory, Tie Domi began trying to pull the front of opposing fighters’ jerseys over their heads (since the backs were now tied down). As a result some enforcers started tying down the fronts of their jerseys for games against the Leafs.

"You suck, but at least you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull

by hullnoates on Apr 1, 2010 12:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Tony Twist

used to cut the front of the neck of his jersey to make the hole bigger. That sounded dirty.

Anyway, it pulled differently for the opponent. Not sure totally what the point was.

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by Brad Lee on Apr 1, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

that is

the imfamous 24a “a sweater that has been modified and does not conform to Rule 24A” bit although 24 a doesnt exist anymnre (its be moved to the front) but yea cut away jerzsieds, bigger neck hole, shorter sleeves, etc etc etc are pretty much enumerated in that section so anything a fighter can come up with as an advantage will be illegal per the rob ray “24a” combo.

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 1, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

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