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Chris Mason Wants To Stay In St. Louis. Not So Fast, Weird Beard.

The Blues have employed Chris Mason as their starting goaltender for the last two seasons. In that time he has had his ups and his downs. He has been shut-down studly and he has been soft goal prone. He is now a man on the verge of unrestricted free agency. Come July 1, Chris Mason is free to sign with any NHL team that wants him as much as he wants to join them. But despite that freedom, he says he wants to stay in St. Louis and come back as the starting netminder.

I say, "No thank you, sir."

In an article published under the headline "Mason hopes to return, cites consistency" in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch Monday, Mason said what the headline mentions, plus a few other interesting tidbits. First off, my kudos to the headline writer; when I read that consistency part I nearly shnarfled my orange juice and realized I had no choice but to read the rest of the article. Besides his consistently allowing soft goals I could not imagine what Mason could be alluding to in his citing.

The first paragraph is a beautifully crafted Jeremy Rutherford dance on the line, as he allows Mason to make his case quickly without agreeing with the bearded one and without alluding to the obvious flawed logic being used. Rutherford is a true journalist and his walking of the tightrope here is a great example of objective reporting. It's also a perfect example of why I'd be a truly horrible journalist.

Other than a "tough month of December," Blues goaltender Chris Mason believes that he turned in a steady season in 2009-10 and that combining his two-year totals with the team, he is a No. 1 netminder in the NHL.

Uh, great point Mason. Your two-year totals would be excellent for a No. 1 netminder in the NHL. In two years you posted 57 wins, which would be an NHL record... for one season. However, your 30 wins last year qualify you for the 237th best total in the history of the NHL. I think maybe I don't need to mention where this year's 27 wins put you.

As for the 'tough December', thanks for taking a smidgeon of blame for a Decemeber where the Blues went 7-7-1. What about the tough October (the Blues went 5-6-1), tough November (5-4-4), tough January (7-5-3) and tough February (4-3-0)? Were any of those months less than tough? In fact, through that tough February, the Blues were 19-16-8 when Mason started, which translates to 19 wins and 24 games lost when our man who believes he is a No. 1 started the game. Forty-six points out of a possible 86 points in his starts?

Does anyone believe that's what a No. 1 goaltender looks like?

Star-divide

Mason went on to state that,

"Statistically, I'm almost exactly the same as I was last year," Mason said. "I think the fact that last year was my biggest workload, and I exceeded that this year, that proved that I can definitely do it more than just one year, which is what (the Blues) wanted to see."

Is that what the Blues want to see? That a guy can play in 61 games in a season after playing in 57 the year before? Because if that's truly what management cares about, I want a do-over on the season-ticket holder town hall meeting I skipped this year, because I now have a question. In what league has games played ever translated into successful goaltending? Sure the Blues over-used Grant Fuhr in net and the Devils have seemingly never even needed a backup goalie since Martin Brodeur came to town, but for the most part, starting netminders always start between 50 and 60 games a season.

You have the logic wrong here, Mason. You're not an NHL starter because you can start 61 games, it's that NHL teams expect starters to play in that many games. Your ability to stop the puck and win games are what would qualify you as an NHL starter and that, hopefully, is what the Blues wanted to see.

Rutherford then breaks out Mason's St. Louis resume, stating,

In 118 games with the Blues over those two seasons, Mason is a combined 57-43-15 with a 2.47 GAA and a .915 save percentage. His back-to-back seasons of at least 27 wins are the first for the organization since Grant Fuhr won 33 and 29 games in 1996-97 and 1997-98, respectively.

As mentioned, those 57 wins aren't exactly an earth-shattering total when looked at by season and if the NHL's gimmick point were actually counted as the loss that it is, Mason's two-year record is 57-58.

As for the assertion that those goal totals are the first time since Fuhr, well it's not that hard to do when we look at the list of men who have started in net for the Blues since Fuhr's 1998 season:

1999 Starter: Roman Turek (42 wins)

2000 Starter: Roman Turek (24 wins)

2001 Starter: Brent Johnson (34 wins)

2002 Starter: Brent Johnson (16 wins)

2003 Starter: Chris Osgood (31 wins)

2005 Starter: Curtis Sanford (13 wins) / Patrick Lalime (4 wins)

2006 Starter: Manny Legace (23 wins)

2007 Starter: Manny Legace (27 wins)

Aside from the obvious conclusion that the Blues' goaltending has been a sad-sack group over the last decade, Turek actually won more games over two years than Mason. Additionally, both Johnson and Legace neared Mason's win total with 50 wins each in fewer games played than Mason's 118 with 111 for Legace and 96 for Johnson in the two seasons each would be considered the starter for the majority of the season.

Rutherford then lets us in on a little back room information with,

The two sides had preliminary talks on a contract extension earlier this season, including one offer that wasn't given much consideration by Mason's camp, but then the Blues decided to wait until after the season before meeting again.

This may give Mason pause, but it gives me confidence. Clearly I'm not the only person sitting in the building who sees that Mason is good for at least one back-breaking soft goal per game. Sure he has made some unbelievable saves, that I'm happy to admit. He has stopped shots that he had no business stopping. He's gloved shots that he must have grabbed just by feel, because there's no way he saw them. And I have jumped up and cheered for him, just like everyone else.

But it's the soft goals that hurt. The overtime game-winner/series-winner last April against the Canucks that sent us all home. The weird ones that go five hole or dribble past him or hit him and still roll in. If this was baseball, I guarantee there would be an obscure stat somewhere tracking soft goals and I'd bet that Mason would be near the top of the list for "starting" netminders.

We've all asked all season long why the Blues try to sit on third period goals. Why they start dumping the puck out and clogging the defensive blueline and collapsing down low too often, making the other team look like they're on a power play.

Wanna hear my theory? It's the soft goals. The team can tell the media all they want about how great Mason was when they win, but I guarantee it's in their heads that he is prone to the soft goals every game.

Blues interim coach Davis Payne, whose future is on the table as well, seems supportive of Mason's return. He said Mason's production under a heavy workload was reflective of a starting netminder. But in Payne's mind, that might not be the No. 1 reason to bring Mason back.

Perhaps recalling Mason's critical assessment of the Blues' 3-2 loss to Nashville on April 1, when he questioned the poor performance of some teammates, Payne said: "Everybody wants guys who are committed to doing the right things and pushing themselves and their teammates every single day."

Well, while I hope that Payne is brought back next year as the head coach, I can't say that I agree with him on Mason. As for the coach's assessment of Mason's ability in goal, I find it strange that there is no mention of his skills as a goaltender. Instead, the coach says his workload is "reflective of a starting netminder" that he approves of Mason calling out his teammates' effort after a loss.

On the first point, well, yeah, Coach. But a starting netminder is... supposed to... start... a lot... of games. That's why he's called the starting netminder. As for the second point, I like a stand-up guy in the locker room too. The problem is that you cannot stake a spot for a goalie because he's willing to call out his teammates. You can stake out a position for a leadership guy on one of the forward positions. If his skills aren't as good as his motivational speeches and his 'hold everyone accountable' attitude, you can play him on the fourth line and limit your vulnerability.

Goalies are there for one purpose only: stop the puck. If he happens to be a leader too, that's a bonus. But in my mind being able to play a lot of games and being unafraid of bitching about his teammates to the media do not mean a guy should be your starting goalie.

As for management, team president John Davidson was quoted as saying,

"We know him," Davidson said. "We know how hard he works in practice. We know how much he appreciates the opportunity to play. We'll let the dust settle and then get down to business and see what we want to do."

Again, Davidson makes no mention of Mason's goaltending abilities, falling back on his hard work and his desire to be the starting goaltender. I find this reassuring. Clearly the president's decision to let dust settle before they decide what to do means that management will likely weigh their options and the likelihood of being able to land a true No. 1 goaltender via trade with another team.

Chris Mason was signed to be a backup netminder and push Manny Legace. He did both, eventually cracking Legace's glasslike confidence and pushing himself into the starting position. He has had great games and great stretches here in St. Louis. He's made great saves and has made us all consider growing weird beards. But the fact of the matter is that Mason is just another in a long line of solid backup netminders who have been pressed into service in St. Louis as starters.

Mason talks about his consistency, but I think that's actually his biggest downfall. He doesn't consistently make the easy saves and then make the unexpected incredible saves. Instead he makes the unexpected incredible saves and then allows the all too predictable soft goal on what should be an easy save. That's like the definition of a backup goaltender: a man who can play well most of the time, pull off the odd incredible save and yet is prone to giving up goals on routine shots. Your backup should win games he is supposed to win and shouldn't be expected to steal many games for you. That is Chris Mason.

I appreciate his desire to stay in St. Louis. I appreciate his work ethic. I appreciate his drive to win that causes him to call out teammates in the media. I appreciate his dedication to the Blues.

I just don't think he's the right answer to be the starter here anymore. He doesn't have the game-stealing skills to win games the team shouldn't win and his propensity for soft goals shakes the team's confidence. If Ty Conklin weren't under contract and Mason were willing to accept the pay and responsibility of a backup again, I'd be looking for the team to go after a legitimate, younger goalie and to re-sign Mason to be the foundation behind him.

As it stands, Mason will want too much money and too much responsibility to come back here. And I just want too much more real consistency and much fewer soft goals to want him back.

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I'll agree with a lot of what you said there

… but the question is, if not Mason, then who?

There are zero free-agent goalies I think would be a better value than Mason (Nabokov, I think, is the only DECENT one who comes to mind, and he’s going to want MUCH more money in exchange for B/B+ goaltending vs. Mason’s B-/B goaltending.)

So do you trade the farm for a Corey Schneider? And block the way for Jake Allen?
Do you trade for Josh Harding, who is a) hurt (albeit minor) and b) the next Roman Turek?

The only viable option I see here is throwing peanuts (and maybe a decent middle-of-the-road prospect — a defenseman, god willing) at Montreal and taking Carey Price. He’s young and if he turns out to be awesome, that’s great. We can think of what to do with Allen later. If he’s just mediocre, then he holds it down decently until Allen gets here and we didn’t give up that much to get him.

I’m just not that into spending a bunch of bucks and handicapping our ability to get a scorer by spending on a goalie who’s not that much better than Mase, and I’m also not into selling the farm for a guy like Schneider and trusting the Canucks to say, “No, we swear, he’s good.”

Paul Kariya's hips don't lie and he's starting to feel it's right.

by NateTheGreat. on Apr 13, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

The only viable option I see here is throwing peanuts (and maybe a decent middle-of-the-road prospect — a defenseman, god willing) at Montreal and taking Carey Price.

See: Aaron Palushaj

I’m still with the idea that we traded Palushaj as dibs on the goalie they scrap in the off-season. Hopefully that comes true..

by russkidan on Apr 13, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right...

…because otherwise, trading Palushaj for D’Agostini makes absolutely zero sense for the Blues.

I said it then, and I’ll say it again now. I like D’Agostini well enough, but I think Palushaj could still turn into a pretty good NHL player, and I have my doubts that D’Agostini will ever be anything more than a dependable, serviceable fourth-liner at this level. Palushaj is pretty much the prototypical college-player-turned-pro in terms of his size and current position on the development curve.

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 13, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Schneider

Schneider would not cost “the farm”. A serviceable NHLer, prospect and lesser pick (3rd). He’s an RFA at the end of the season. Same with the two guys in Mtl, who will cost much much more in my opinion.

by MMouse on Apr 13, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

How badly would Vancouver like Pierre-Cedric Labrie back (as the prospect)?

He’s been OK in Peoria, just OK… Ryan Reaves already fills the role that Labrie would fill in Peoria long-term.

If MMouse is correct in his estimation above. then I’d offer something like Bishop, Chris Porter, and a third for Schneider and see if Vancouver bites. Bishop and Porter are prospects that are already part-time NHLers, and Bishop fills the hole in the Canucks’ goaltending depth chart left b Scheiner’s departure.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 13, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe subsitute Fallon for Bishop, and swap Bishop into the deal later if Vancouver balks...

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 13, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

blocking allen

like we blocked schwartz and bishop and …

there isn’t a road block until someone is driving the road to st louis on the way to the cup and has to stop..

yea the blues have suppsedly top net minding prospects. but they had that in scwartz, and even before that, alough without a top ranked guy, they had GUYS per gtpd back in the dayz hockeys future was on of the elite sources for prospect info

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 13, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe you dug up something that I wrote for "Hockey's Future" nine friggin' years ago...

Keep in mind, mein freund, that in 2001,“guyz” were all the team had for prospects at every position in the organ-I-zation.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 13, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

not a dis' dude

i went hockeys future nine years ago, didnt know you wouldbe the author :)

but brenjo, turek, even some of the lesser draftees and acquisitions all had some shot of being our next one was my only point. some made it to a #! slot, some didnt make it to the backup job, but again, having a winner in the minors does not mean we should not have a stanley cup guy in the majors and if we have TWO stanley cup goalies then i guess we can start bitching about things lol.

if they tem BELIEVES bishop schwartz or allen are cup guys they only need to get a two year starter is the only concivable issue before them.

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 13, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still maintain that Brent Johnson wasn't all THAT bad...

…if he sucked as bad as some people thought, he wouldn’t still be around and playing in the NHL, non?

It’s not like he was the only St. Louis hockey player who liked to puff on the occasional Marlboro.

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 13, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back from out of town...

Brent Johnson was/is a goalie with great reflexes and big-time goalie nerve, but his fundamentals were horrible (still are, BTW, sharp angle shots by the post=goal). part of the problem is that the team has never bothered to employ a full-time goaltending coach at the NHL AND the AHL level.

by The Goalie Guy on Apr 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit, Bossman, you stole my Tuesdays With Hildy idea...

… and did it about a million times better than i would have. I agree with everything you said – my only concern is what Nate said above, and I think Price can be had for the right, well, price, and can excel outside of that nutball city he’s currently trapped in.

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by hildymac on Apr 13, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

just remember to keep him away from convenience stores, 7/11s and in Canada, Mac’s

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 13, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hm...

… smokes and slushies do not a good goalie make.

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by hildymac on Apr 13, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure about the Slushies. He loves his smokes though

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 13, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping it's Price,

…Just because it would provide some justification for the ABSOLUTELY INANE Palushaj-D’Agostini trade.

by Washoo on Apr 13, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

mason is

13th. in everything. in both blues’ seasons. so he is a starter. just not a top tier one.
again, the blues wanted to lengthen mason at the beginning of the season apparently, then mason didn’t want to.

if mason has figured out he isnt a top tier starter and the blues honestly think they merely need a stop gap for a seaon or two for youth to arrive in net, we could (and have) done worse than mason. if the blues want not just a shot at the playoff but a shot at the cup mason might need to be upgraded.

net will be interesting. the length of the contract they give to someone and who they give it too will say something about how they view theirs kids

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 13, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

hey, me and you actually agree on something!

Cheers!

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by Novacain on Apr 13, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

figures don't lie but liars fiugure lol

i did start something on the mason stats just got bored and it doesn’t prove or disprove anything anyway, but the rankings on mason over his two years here for wins, gaa, and save % are:

13+16+12+9+17+11 divided by 6 = 13

started trying to do all the other goalies, did a few. got bored. drank. in the end mason’s ranking in the three categories makes him a starter but not an elite one. end of story

 
backstrom =15.3

nabokov = 10

luongo 10.2

ward =16

the other mason 22.7

kiprusoff=15.3

despite his midddle of the road starter rankings, other issues come into play.

but here is the real rub.

WINS

the weirdest of all hockey stats. worse than plus/minus. if you collect cards you realize that every year the blues have two guys that have wins on their cards, and 3 times a decade (when a company includes head coaches) they got three.

is mason, concklin and murray and payne the people who deserve the wins and losses?

how many wins does jackman have? brewer? would it be significant the difference between brewer wins and jackman wins?!? i know how many wins peron had this year lol.

on the other hand, the goalie is the “just win baby” on the team. all his other stats can blow if he racks up the w’s and except for the insanity of the buttman gimmick a win used to be a win used to be a win. Dunham’s wins were the same as fuhr’s which were the same as plante’s which were the same as geoff sarjeants. one can not compare mason to plante or hall or even sarjeant using g.a.a. or save percentage. those stats have significantly changed because of era and until someone developes a fix over eras for them chris mason can be judged historucal on only two things 57 wins as a blue. 1 win in the playoffs in his career.

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 13, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's basically the issue.

If we are going by pure numbers, Mason is a legitimate, average No.1 netminder. Course, that could be a statement about how few real No.1 netminders there are in the NHL that Mason qualifies, but I’m throwing it out there. Top 20 in GAA and Save Percentage, top 15 in both if you wanna just make it players who have played 50 games and were thus full time starters. Statistically, he is right.

But it’s the eye test he fails, and that’s more important then pure numbers in this case. Personally speaking, I’m not against re-signing Mason under the following conditions.

No.1: You cannot achieve a workable trade for Halak, Price, or Bernier during the NHL Draft: This should be our first priority come draft day, as I feel any of the 3 can become a legit NHL starting netminder, and I’d rather Allen be the Schneider to whoevers Luongo if possible to set up a big trade return then have to rely on Jake being the answer, even I feel he could be. And yes, I’m aware the likely hood of any of those 3 becoming Luongo isn’t high.

No.2: When you re-sign him, it’s to a 2 year contract, with him being made fully aware that if we feel one of our kids is ready next year, Mason will play 2nd Banana, or at the very least split playing time.

No.3: He must never, ever shave the beard until his contract ends.

I will say if we fail to pull of a big trade at the deadline to to Montreal/LA/Vancouver asking too much, he becomes our best option. He’s a solid, not great, but good goaltender, and you can do worse then that.

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by Novacain on Apr 13, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Just another reason to not sign Mason ...

He turns 34 next week. If history has taught us anything, it’s that athletes, without the aid of “help” begin to fall off after 30 or 31. At 34 signed to a two-year deal, the Blues would be getting an aging goaltender getting older. Sure, some guys stay on top of their games in the mid-30s, but those guys are few and far between.

Mason is a great guy with a great beard, but he’s not a No. 1. His case that his numbers this year are the same as last year are a bit skewed. Last season, he started so horribly that his numbers were skewed. Throw out the first ten or so games from last year, and Mason’s 08-09 numbers are insanely good. This year? Not so much.

Mason isn’t the answer, unless he’s a backup. Conk is already signed, so the Blues don’t need a backup.

by averagejoe on Apr 13, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm still stuck

I agree that the team’s most pressing need is a star goaltender. Teams with a star goalie play with more confidence in all areas of the ice, and therefore score more (no I don’t have stats, but you’re welcome to trot some out to prove me wrong). But, and this is a big But, who do you get that’s guaranteed to be better than Mason? Last time I checked, neither Luongo or Miller were available, and while there are many goalies who are statistically better than Mason I don’t see anyone other than those 2 who I would say is a guaranteed upgrade. So it comes down to rolling the dice, whether you’re rolling the dice with a new guy or the guy you’ve already got. It’s a tough decision. I’m glad I don’t have to make it, because I’m guessing the odds of looking like a genius with that decision in next year’s year-end review are about 10% no matter what decision you make.

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by baroose on Apr 13, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Statistically hes in the top 15

12-15 in the stats categories so I gotta know who were gonna get thats better. Montreal has a spare one but there are a lot of teams that are looking at price/halak. Schneider is an option but I think if he could be had for a cheap price he would have been. Harding is a possibility but hes still a backup were trying to convert to a starter. Mason is a decent netminder and this offseason I think unless hes asking for 4.5+ decent is the best were gonna get. If he is asking for more than that im willing to trade for one of the above mentioned, if not then resign mason.

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by Icion on Apr 13, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don't...

At this point, we know what we are getting with Mason…maybe he ain’t great, but do we really want to toss to dice on somebody who might be another Roman Turek? For me, I’d rather stick with Mason/Conklin for another year, wait on Allen or Bishop, and spend some resources on scoring. Then, next season, if the Blues are back in the hunt, you deal for a goalie at the deadline, if you need one to get deep into the playoffs.

by tbell61 on Apr 13, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

You know, I'm not opposed to Conk getting the starting spot next year if lack-of-trades/deals dictates it.

One thing you notice about Conklin is that he’s infinitely patient in net. Rare is the occasion where you’ll see him flailing about, crawling back to center or flailing widely because of a late reaction to a shot.

Is he the best option out there? No. But we’ve got him and frankly, for all the talk about him being a career back-up, I could stand to see him hold the role next season — assuming that will be the end of St. Louis’ sordid past with fringe starters and greenhorns.

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by TheDuke32 on Apr 13, 2010 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

At the start of the 2010-11 NHL season...

There will be 30 starting goaltenders. The answer to the question is this: Is there anybody available through free agency or trade that help take this team to the next level? I appreciate everything that Chris Mason has tried to do for the ‘Note, but at this stage in his career he is a year older, not a year better. The next level requires a consistent bad ass “Game Stealer”, of which the likes we have not seen in many many years. One of the comments mentioned Carey Price. I don’t know if that’s the answer, but that’s the direction that the JD and company need to look at.

by JGB on Apr 13, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

My opinion on the matter is not important.

What IS important is what I DO know . . . that is . . . Masonry will not be here next year.

Promise or threat? YOU decide.

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by Donut King on Apr 13, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Mason's the Man

If the Blues don’t resign Mason, unless they actually think they can get a Brodeur or other somesuch Fucking Awesome Goaltender, they are STUPID. What are we doing here? Making the goalie the scapegoat? I guess that’s the #2 favorite scapegoat, next to head coach. What the fuck, people? Every goalie lets in softies now and again. Even Roy did. WE NEED TO SCORE MORE GOALS. We cannot blame a goalie for our woes if he cannot hold the opposition to 2 or less goals every fucking night!! How many more wins do we have on the season if all those games where we scored 2 or less goals go differently? Does anybody remember that scoring slump? Can we think back that far?? If we’d score more goals in those games, guess what, we’re looking forward to Round One. And that’s the bottom line.

Let’s not play that Make the Goalie the Scapegoat game, us or the Blues’ front office, because if we do, guess who loses? The Blues and us, their fans. Not Mason. He’ll go on to backstop some other team, possibly to a Lord Stanley.

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by jpratte on Apr 13, 2010 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

You

are wrong.

I’d explain why, but I just did that in the entire article above. As others have noted, Mason may be a starter, but he’s an average starter. He is far from “the Man.”

The goalie isn’t the scapegoat for this season (see this article for my reasons for this season’s failures), but signing him isn’t the answer for a franchise that wants to take a step forward next year. That would be the answer for how to take a step sideways.

by gallagher on Apr 13, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

jpratte is right

All year long the Blues held the stat that they were undefeated every time they scored 4 or more goals(until that last Fuckhawks game) Mase did the job you can ask of any goalie which is to keep a team in the game, and he only failed that less than a handful of times.

The problem was Boyes was supposed to have 35-45 goals and had 14. Backes was supposed to have 25-30 and had 17, Oshie, Perron, and Especially Berglund were extremely disappointing. Kariya is useless and probably always will be. Until Johnson came on at the end there was no scoring from the Blueline. Our two top scorers ended the season with 24 apiece, name one team in the playoffs, that scored fewer goals than the Blues. And then see if any team in the league scored fewer goals and look at where they are at in the standings. I don’t care how good your goalie is, if you can’t score, you won’t win.

I am not saying Mason is the greatest goalie around. But if you are waiting for a prospect goalie of tomorrow, then he is a very good candidate to hold the job until tomorrow arrives. I doubt he would be expensive and you get to keep your prospects intact(did I hear someone suggest we trade Bishop??!!). There are NO other options that look as good as just resigning Mason.

by Bleedbluecp2 on Apr 14, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I'm right, Bleedblue is right, and actually you are, too, Sean :)

You’re right in that, obviously, it’s not a step forward to keep the same goalie. Unless he does even better next year. But it’s certainly not a step backwards. Not signing him, unless the Blues could somehow pull off a miracle Moses would be jealous of and get one of the elites, would be a step backward. We don’t need to be doing that. Bleedblue said better what I’m saying. Blues needed to, and need to, score more goals, period. And, I’ve said this in another thread, they need more offense from the Blueline! What the Blues need to do is re-sign Mason, see if they can trade Kariya for a younger guy who’s scoring more and maybe a pick, too, if they could pull that off, give Boyes a severe talking-to, work on Oshie, and get one or two blueline scorers.

- a Tale from my Creased Mind

by jpratte on Apr 14, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and..

…make David Backes captain. :)

- a Tale from my Creased Mind

by jpratte on Apr 14, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

(did I hear someone suggest we trade Bishop??!!)

Yes, you did… for the reasons why, see The Ol Goaler’s post below.

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 14, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Mason is going to be an "elite" goalie

But he is probably going to be the best we’ll have. I don’t see any huge upgrades out there, and as long as Mason doesn’t ask for too much I saw we keep him.

Look at Price’s stats, they aren’t that great. Yes, he’s 22, but he is also 36-36 in his past 2 seasons. lower save % and GAA average.

A lot of people seem to be looking for the win now attitude, and I don’t believe Price isn’t that.

by Holiday86 on Apr 13, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I posted this on the NHL.com board

Mason is average. Even strength save percentage is 0.917, which is average.
Price is also pretty much average. ES-S% is 0.921. Halak is 0.933.
Thomas is 0.913 this year, but he was 0.940 and 0.933 the last 2 seasons.
Is Thomas down because his skills have eroded or is it just random fluctuation?

If you could swap Brewer for Thomas, the marginal cost is only $1.5m. That seems a pretty reasonable gamble.

by DoctorMyBrainHurts on Apr 13, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Marty Turco will be available...

…would he cost too much? How much of an upgrade would he be over Mason?

Ben Bishop had a 23-18-4 record, 2.77 GAA, and a .901 save %age for a Peoria team that (also) missed the playoffs… anybody think he’s ready for NHL duty?

Jake Allen won’t go directly from Juniors to the NHL… JD did that, and still thinks it hurt his overall career.

I don’t claim to have the answers; I’d be fine with re-signing Mason to a reasonable contract (two years max).

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 14, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Just say "no" to Turco...

I’ve never been imporessed with Turco; he’s a product of his team, as far as I’m concerned.

When the Stars were good, he was good; when they sucked, he sucked.

I’m not convinced that Turco made the Stars good; more like the Stars made Turco look good whenthey played well.

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 14, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bishop isn't ready...

He played marginally better at the end of the season, probably well enough to kick the can down the road for another season. He’s in his make or break phase right now, but the odds are that he’ll make it to backup level at best. This can make him expendable, but it also means he’s not worth a lot in trade value.

Nabby is old and burned out. Turco is older and even more burnt. Carey Price needs a coach/babysitter-he looks like Brent Johnson all over again. The Habs will probably want too much for him, and they have the RFA tag, so they can more or less afford to wait for their offer.

I’m not the biggest Chris Mason fan; he allowed some incredibly soft goals this year, shots that have somehow eluded him, through pads, his glove, and I’ve seen the team lose its confidence after one of those “shouldn’t have gone in” goals. It’s not like a weakness, the type of thing that teams scout and tell their shooters (other than shoot at him, he might let it in). In fact, Mason was a lot better at his particular weakness this year which is leaving the post early anticipating the pass.

Should they re-sign him? Barring a better option (Price+goaltending coach/babysitter or Halak), and if he’s willing to be reasonable, OK. They offered him about 3.5M for 2 years at the beginning of the season and Mason flaltly rejected it. I don’t think he did anything to increase his value beyond that, and I think the article is an indication that Mason knows he has to sell his value to the Blues.

Long-term, he’s not the answer for a cup contender (unless the Blues build that incredible defense.) A stopgap until Allen develops (hopefully).

by The Goalie Guy on Apr 16, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

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