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Playing Chicken With The Blues: Gambling My Season Tickets

Unlike the rest of (soon thereafter angry) Blues Nation, I did not receive my season ticket renewal package when they were mailed out during the Olympic break. While I like to believe that I was intentionally left off the mailing list due to my affiliation with this cursing little piece of the non-mainstream media, I think it's probably about 1,000 times more likely that my wife saw the envelope and thought, "Maybe douchebag won't notice" and simply tossed it in the special file we keep for faxes from corporate.

So imagine my surprise when I arrived at the first home game after the Olympic break and rather than the normal exuberance of seeing all of our home game friends again I instead ran into despondent and upset and angry and bitter season ticket holders. I hadn't seen the news myself, but I heard about it quickly and repeatedly: everything just went FUBAR.

For those of us who sit up high in the corners (Blues attack twice though!) our cheapo tickets went from $440 a seat for the season to $720. If you have a couple of seats, as I do so I can bring one of my kids or one of my boozer friends, your total went from $880 to $1,440 (plus a $15 processing fee - because I'm sure some lackey is being paid $15 a swipe to run my card information throught the Devil's machine).

And that's the cheap seats. I feel bad for the people who sit down where they don't have to call their friends at home to find out if the goal being reviewed was actually in or not.

Star-divide

Since that time I have not renewed my tickets. Normally I would have, too. In each of the last three or four years, I have been one of the first renewers. Not for any exciting reason or because I really wanted whatever incentive they were throwing at me (this year it was a replica of the forthcoming Brett Hull statue that will be placed outside next to the Plager, Federko and MacInnis statues). I just knew I was getting a full season's worth and why not just sign up and get it over with.

This year, however, I'm in no hurry.

And apparently, this year, I'm really risking it. I've gotten a couple calls, a few emails and have now apparently missed my chance to Save My Seat! by skipping my appointment with the Blues sales staff back on Monday (or Tuesday or whatever). Apparently, my seats are now at risk to be grabbed up by some other eager new Season Ticket Holder who wants them. They could have been claimed already (!) for all I know. I've been told that I'm really blowing it. I may regret the decision I have yet to make because while last year I may have been the Last Piece Of The Puzzle, next year someone else may be sitting in my seats as they watch the young Blues really take off.

And then I'll regret my lack of initiative.

On the other hand, over in Sec. 307, where I've been for the last three or four seasons and despite the fact that the Blues Attack Twice! I know of plenty of fellow STHers who cannot afford or will not pay for the price increase and won't be back. Are their seats all gone too? Scooped up along with my two seats by the hordes of New Season Ticket Holders eager to jump on the Blues bandwagon?

Um, bandwagons seldom form around teams that finish ninth, y'know?

My guess is that my seats are still available. Along with most of the seats around them. The same block of seats that have been occupied by the same people for the last three or four seasons. My guess is that the Blues ticket reps spent way too much time waiting for someone to show up to say they were there for Select A Seat at the assigned time and that, Brett Hull statue or not, I'm probably playing a pretty safe hand by holding out. As others have pointed out, sometimes you can build a better package by waiting and holding out until the Blues start offering partial season deals and better incentives to come back.

There's an advantage to season ticket holding. I like having the same seats every game. I like knowing everyone around me. I like having that family away from my family. But right now, the Blues aren't treating me like family. But whatever. You love me and I love you, but let's climb into our cars and go play Chicken anyway.

My guess is that this time I can drive right at your headlights with no fear. You're not going to sell my seats out from under me with an underperforming roster and a price increase. My guess is that your car will swerve before mine does. My guess is that at the very least I'll get my two seats back in the same, if not better, spot. I may not pay less for them than I would if I ante up right now, but at least my money is not your money for the next few months. My guess is that the worst case is I pay the same as I would right now for seats that are virtually the same as where I've been for years.

Oh, but I probably lost out on that Brett Hull statue, didn't I?

Whaddaya say, Blues? Wanna play some Chicken?

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by Brad Lee on Apr 28, 2010 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

If the reports are true

And the drafting of Sam “I’m going to be a huge bust” Bradford spurred season-ticket sales for the Rams, that’s even less entertainment money for the Blues.

I have a feeling, barring a hot start and some inspired play, the Blues attendance figure are going to take a dip. Like you said, a 9th place team doesnt exactly make me want to crack open my checkbook.

I think you’ll win this round of chicken.

by averagejoe on Apr 28, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

What makes you think that Bradford's going to be a bust?

I mean, yeah, sure, he might be this decade’s answer to Cade McNown… but then on the other hand, he might also be decent.

When you finish 1-15, pretty much any quarterback who can move around in the pocket, throw the ball 25 yards downfield, and hit an open receiver is going to be an improvement, non?

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 28, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

well off topic but ...

He’s got a bad wing, didn’t play in a pro-style offense, put up good numbers against the Big 12 defenses — the same D’s that Graham Harrell and Chase Daniel did work on, sat out last season.

I don’t know, smells like a bust to me.

But hey, at least they didn’t do something stupid like draft tebow.

by averagejoe on Apr 28, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or that Suh cat

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Apr 28, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything’s better than Bulger.

I’ll pay for a few games to watch the Bradford freakshow…

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 28, 2010 10:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wait, didn't you write the "our tickets were underpriced and we knew it" article earlier?

Maybe that was the warming up of the rationalization machine for why you really needed to buy the tickets again this year, and maybe this current article is the “holy crap I actually have to write a four-figure check” reality-sinks-in one?

In any case, if you end up get a discounted package make sure to let us know. I’ve got my sales rep’s number ready so I can start bitching about being taken advantage of for my early commitment again this year.

by Mr. Particle on Apr 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

no im pretty sure it was gallagher

but the thoughts are separate of each other. the first line of thinking is that we should have seen the increase coming — prices were low and couldnt stay that low. basically, it was going to happen.

the second line of thinking, this line, is that the blues are trying to scare him into renewing when he’s not sure — basically saying i dont want to pay full price, gimme a discount if you want me to come back.

by averagejoe on Apr 28, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kissin' the boss' ass,

Eh?

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 28, 2010 10:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

dreamin'

are ya?

Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.

It is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. Laura Ingalls Wilder

by luvhockey on Apr 28, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

While you’re at it, wish for a pony.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 28, 2010 10:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This may be a much more

likely grant.
Or as my father is fond of saying
Wish in one hand Shit in the other

Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.

It is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. Laura Ingalls Wilder

by luvhockey on Apr 28, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sis?

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 28, 2010 10:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Disregard Females.

Acquire Currency.

/I heard that once.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.

by Donut King on Apr 28, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You go on with your bad self, Juan.

And if you lose your seats . . . well . . . their loss.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.

by Donut King on Apr 28, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Whatever it takes?

I sent an email to my ticket rep explaining why I didn’t renew my 1/2 season tickets on March 31, the day before renewals were due. I said something along the lines of “Instead of just ignoring the deadline, I’d like to explain why I’m not renewing, and it isn’t all because of price…”

Maybe he didn’t put a stamp on his email (yeah, they’re doing that now), or he forgot to hit send, but I’ve yet to receive anything from him about it.

The reason that I’m not renewing my tickets is that I’ve combined with one of my buddies. He sent an email to the Blues with a few questions in it. His ticket rep called him back and said “There are things in your email you wanted to discuss?” My buddy said “Where do you want to start?” He threw the ball/puck back into his court/zone by saying “Since you have the email in front of you, why don’t you pick where we start.” After his rep stammered a little bit he then asked “Did you read my email, or were you told to call me by your boss?”

His response of “Well, I scanned it,” was followed up by a CLICK from my buddy, and he has yet to hear back from anyone with the Blues.

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by Chris Gift on Apr 28, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Can I ask

Who both of those ticket reps were? So I can avoid them, since I am going to transfer my account to a different rep.

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Apr 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine was Jeff, I think his is Brad.

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by Chris Gift on Apr 28, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good lord, that's horrible business.

My STH rep followed me around like a puppy to get me to renew last season, and bribed me with an autographed Johan Hedberg stick. He pretty much did the same thing this year. I know it’s because it’s ATL, but they can sell the shit out of season tickets down here to folks who had them the previous year, because the reps are your own personal whipping children. Someone needs to explain to these guys exactly how you sell a seat and how you make people not notice the price increase.

Regardless of team, it’s still a business – BRIBE PEOPLE.

Thrashing the Blues

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Apr 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Simple things make a difference

The team does stuff that just makes you scratch your head sometimes. On the front page of the team’s website, they have an ad for 2010-2011 season tickets, with an aerial shot of TJ Oshie on it…wearing his road jersey.

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by Chris Gift on Apr 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

61% increase and yet...

i have renewed… not totally convinced about it but renewed none the less… i think the big thing was ending the year on a 6 game home winning streak and the turnaround since payne took over… however to not get totally hosed.. i sold 15 of my tickets for face value… so including preseason (ill save you the trouble of doin the math) im only gonna get 30 games and im still stuck paying 50 bucks more than last season when i got 43 games…. all i know is this team better produce in 10-11

If you have a donkey and i have a chicken and your donkey ate my chickens feet what would you have.... 2 feet of my cock in your ass!! haha

by bleedblue2009 on Apr 28, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

You can rig this chicken game

Install some aircraft landing lights on your sled. I’m here to tell you that anyone who wants to play chicken with 24dc aircraft lights will have their retinas burned out at 1/4 mile, sending them veering off into the ditch. You can also heat your breakfast burrito if needed in the colder months with this fantastic invention. If you’re into the cyclops look go with a train light.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Apr 28, 2010 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It could be worse....

As a season ticket holder for the Senators, I guess I feel a bit spoiled. They take pretty good care of us with lots of functions and so on. But then I see how much you guys have been paying for what I’m assuming are full season seats in the upper bowl (300-U at SBP) and I think "Holy Shit, they have it good!". Since moving to Toronto in 2005, I’ve only gotten a 40-game FLEX pack which allows me 40 tickets split up however I see fit, like 4 for Toronto, then two for Philly, and so on. It’s nice considering I’m about a 4.5 hour drive from the arena. My price for this convenience? $1640 CAD (paid over 10 months+2.5% premium charge for paying that way). That equates to a HALF SEASON package for most US teams. Jumping up to $1440 for two seats for an entire season, especially with such a great young nucleus, and so much in the pipeline would be just dandy in my book. Count your blessings you don’t live in a hockey-mad state. I know if I didn’t renew my seats would be gone in a flash, and no one would miss me.

~MFP3

by gener4 on Apr 28, 2010 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

A 2.5% surcharge for a payment plan?

That’s absolutely absurd. I have to admit, that reading about how the Blues are raising prices but still saying that they’re one of the cheapest season tickets in the league really does irk me. A price raise in this economy is a bad business call, and one after a season where so many home games ended in a loss or OTL is probably not the best idea.

My mind’s blown about how much upper level in the corners costs. I have lower bowl tix here in Atlanta about 10 rows back from the glass on the attack once side, and those are only a grand a year. They’re priced according to the market, and the Blues have got to learn to do that too. You sell more that way.

Thrashing the Blues

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Apr 28, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is why

i calimed and still maintain the blues have to do something special this off season. yea tickets here MAY have been underpriced, but that is part of the high attendence reason (and hopefullness too) the blues have simply supplied zero reason to re-up early this year. no playoff ticks, so far no star addition, a non playoff team, and we all know that if we do NOT re-upp now our prices will only get cheaper (and perhaps include meeting cam jansens and getting a dj king autographed stick)

it just wont be the exact same set as last season

might be better though. who knows?!?

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Apr 28, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

so far no star addition

I fully understand your point and agree in principle, but how exactly can the Blues FO be held accountable for not adding a star so far this offseason, seeing as about half the league is still playing hockey (or they were as of last week). Nothing along those lines can be held against them until mid-late June.

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Apr 29, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is more time

so im not counting them out yet, but i think they have to have someone who knows what is up, i mean sending the ticket guys in suites to visit the partial plan hokders during the season? the ticket guys had it easy the last two seasons, lol now we shall see what we shall see.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Apr 29, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

On an unrelated note...

…that photo of The King of Payne wth Conklin and Jackman absolutely screams " ‘You Write The Comedy’ caption exercise."

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 28, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

"So a priest, a rabbi, and an imam walk into a bar..."

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 28, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

dammiot jacks you said this was suit and tie event!

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Apr 28, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't had full season tix since 2000-2001

If current Blues played like that team I’d find a way to pay for full season. However I’m just going with the 10 game premium plan. Enjoy the seats 310 first row above wheelchair area, so no one obstructing view which is a priority for my short friend who has the other seat. I think it went from $240 to $310 per seat.

by Mo'FiZZle on Apr 28, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Moving to a half season

Started with 5 of us with full season tickets back before the lockout but now down to only 2. Since they decided to raise my next to the top row seat on the shoot once side, we had to drop down to a half season and decided to move to the shoot twice side. Gonna be weird since I have had the tickets in the same spot since 2002 but at least I will get to see them shoot twice.

I understand the whole thing where tix were cheap because they needed to fill the building but raising them now isn’t smart. We knew the first time Dave raised them right when they took over and then decided that was stupid and decided not to raise them that eventually when he had the chance he would go back to raising prices. It’s all understandable to a point.

I told my rep when he gave me the usual “well we have one of the lowest ticket prices in the nhl” speech that they don’t get the whole picture. I knew when I bought the tickets back in 2002 that they would eventually go up. But I also knew the time would come to where I couldn’t afford them anymore and I would be at a crossroads. I told him they just don’t get it that a lot of us in the cheap seats bought them because we could afford them because they were so cheap so don’t get on me when I criticize the ticket increase and decide to get a half season.

I should of held out to try and get a free stick or whatever they will throw out to get people to renew.

At least I can say I was able to do some cool things and participate in some of the events they offered full season holders. I bet Clarence will be disappointed that I won’t be there outside to bull shit with him every game anymore haha.

by TallGuyJoe on Apr 28, 2010 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure what we're doing yet

Two years ago we were 5 seats on a half season plan.
Last year we went full season but reduced to 4 seats.
But then we’re in the lower part of the mezz on the end so our increase was not too bad. We’ll probably stay the same.

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon

by baroose on Apr 29, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

For the 1st time..

We renewed the day I got my invoice. Online. I didn’t even have to deal with my STH Rep.
Of course, our decision was a lot easier, as it only went up by a buck/ticket/game. (I think).

Since I went to DC a couple of times this year, I made a point at asking how much the
STH price was for the similar seat at Verizon Center (the phone booth). I was
shocked to hear $50 each. That is twice as much as mine. (or so).

I didn’t renew in 2006-7 ( or was it 07-8?) But the year after they fired the sink, I renewed.
Otherwise, I have been a STH since 2000.

Didn’t see it in this thread:
Fuck detroit.

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Apr 29, 2010 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you kidding me with your hold-out?

While I can understand individuals now not being able to afford what is still one of the cheapest full season tickets in all of professional sports, you really think that the Blues are going to be cringing that they won’t have your once $900 investment for two seats (now around $1500)?

Simple math states that the Blues will make MORE money with less ticket holders in the cheap seats, those are the first areas to sell out, single games pricing can be anywhere from $25-35 next season (standard or premium game). It’s a business decision, while making some people cry, will generate more revenue for the team.

With an estimated 11,000 ticket holders (most likely less next season) you really think that ticket reps are going to bend over backwards for you back-peddling on whether or not you’re renewing? The team isn’t in the same state it was right after the lockout, believe it or not there are most likely others that want the best available and most affordable seats in the building for a season ticket.

There are bigger fish in the sea, a smart salesman/woman should know to invest a certain amount of time, when no resolution is coming out if it, to then move on with their time. While you may get your marbles off trying to play chicken with your seat location, a lot of other ticket holders with more favorable locations that have worked a long time to get those seats are probably picking up an additional partner to keep those seats, planning on selling a few games as you have, and renewing already (which is what I did).

I just don’t see how you think you’re going to build a better package for the cheapest seats in the building, the front office is obviously firm on the price increase and it would be stupid to deviate away from that with so many other ticket holders in the mezzanine. Word travels if someone was ever to get a special deal, i’m pretty sure they’re aware of that and aren’t making any plans on doing something special so they can sell all the ridiculously cheap seats. Not renewing your seats will not make anything cheaper to whomever stated that, yes you may look at a smaller promotional package during the season, but you’re not getting the benefits of a regular ticket holder, to each their own.

I’m mainly standing up for the Blues because it’s a business, and sometimes people seem to forget that, just because you’ve been a fan since 67 or ticket-holder since then, the Blues shouldn’t make any special pricing for you…..the current ownership is still waiting to make money off their investment, so thank them for pointing the current state of the team in the right direction after the lockout without having to gouge pockets all of those dismal years, they are just turning the corner so you should expect prices to do the same in some areas.

by BackesForCaptain on Apr 29, 2010 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

like Joan Rivers’ face.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 29, 2010 11:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m mainly standing up for the Blues because it’s a business, and sometimes people seem to forget that

customer is always right? give the customer what he wants?

ignore the customer’s needs at your own peril?

lol

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Apr 30, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually stood up for the 'business' Blues earlier concerning the ticket prices.

This is more about whether I want to gamble losing my seats and keep my money mine longer before I decide to make my money theirs.

I thought that came through in the writing, but maybe I’m wrong.

by gallagher on May 1, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda started out that way, but then went all over the road, Billy Joel.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on May 2, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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