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Tuesdays With Hildy: Do We Keep Davis Payne Around?

There seems to be a new trend in the NHL, going back to the midpoint of the 2007-2008 season: promote your AHL affiliate's coach.  The Capitals promoted Bruce Boudreau, and went from the basement of the East to the playoffs. The Atlanta Thrashers realized that having Don Waddell coach was probably not the best plan, so up came John Anderson.  The Penguins canned Michel Therrien during a horribly uninspired stretch last year that if it continued would knock the Pens out of contention for the playoffs.  They move up Dan Bylsma, and they win the Stanley Cup.

Now it's Bylsma's good friend Davis Payne's chance to shine as an NHL coach.  How is he doing, and more importantly, will he be doing it next season?

Star-divide

Everyone knows the situation that Andy Murray left under - 12th place in the Western Conference with a 17-17-6 record overall and an atrocious home record.  Players were tuning him out left and right.  It was apparent that the shelf life of the "Andy Murray Whip-a-Team-Into-Shape" strategy had expired like a 20 year old Twinkie.  The Blues finally let the former Jack Adams award winner walk in January, and promoted Davis Payne from the Rivermen to take the helm behind the bench.  The difference has been marked.

The Blues have only scored 1 goal 4 times in the time that Bylsma has been coach.  The home record has improved to 17-18-5 .  And, most importantly, under Payne their overall record is 22-14-3.

There are still some issues to be had: discipline for the younger Blues, especially off-ice.  Maintaining a lead through three periods would be swell.  But do the improvements warrant a contract for the young coach, and do we overlook the shortcomings?  If the Blues had Payne for the entire season, would their record be playoff-worthy?

A lot of questions are either answered by the hindsight of an armchair coach, or with a magic 8 ball.  But, based on what you have seen thus far, do we keep the Bylsma doppelganger around, or do we go with someone more seasoned next season?  Who will the players respond to more?

 

Hildymac's daily whinings about the Blues' maddening playoff race can be found, as always, at Thrashing the Blues.  Pardon the profanity if the Thrashers lose tonight, or the Avalanche win.  Oh, who am I kidding?  You guys probably won't even notice the profanity, will you?

Poll
Do we keep Davis Payne around for the long haul? Is he man enough to put up with us for another season?
Love what he's done this season - he's turned everything around - keep him.
186 votes
Eh, beginner's luck. We need a seasoned coach for next year.
21 votes
How the hell should I know? He’s coached, like, 30 games.
69 votes

276 votes | Poll has closed

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plusses

coached blues better than murray (per record)

coached rivermen better than wamsley (per record)

played roller hockey with manon rheaume (damn this needs to maek it into trivia for last game) (and is that why pascal is back sniffing the rivermen?)

minuses

young coach on a team in need of leadership

would be rewarded for half season of work (and we know what happens when we do that with players)

if they blues can’t hit a homerun with a player, maybe they can with a coach. davis would not be a homerun coaching name.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Can we have another choice?

I think he’s done the job they asked him to do, that being stopping the bleeding, and for that he may deserve a contract and at least a full year as coach. But some of the things that were concerns under AM are still there, so I can’t say I “Love what he’s done”.

I abstain.

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon

by baroose on Apr 6, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree.

But I will say, that you need to give coaches a chance to run things THEIR way from the beginning.
We need to let him run training camp, and see what happens at the start of next season.
Pull the plug quick if we don’t see/like that changes. Surely we can be patient and wait til a month
or two into next season to levy judgement on Payne.

Sighh…

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Apr 6, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you guys

I would like an in between option. Like-

A) Love him.
B) Fuck him.
C) How the hell should I know? He’s coached, like, 30 games.

by Manbones on Apr 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if B's in-between.

But C is do-able.

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by hildymac on Apr 6, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was looking for something in the middle as well.

But . . . with that said . . . he’s closer to A than B.

GIVE THIS MAN A JOB!

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.

by Donut King on Apr 6, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Profanity?

What fucking profanity are you referring to?

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Apr 6, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait until about 10 o'clock tonight.

It’ll get started. Around 12:30 it’ll probably get a shitload worse.

Thrashing the Blues

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Apr 6, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait that fucking long...

Start the goddamned profanity now…
fuck…

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Apr 6, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuuuuuuuck.

That’s all I have left in me now.

Thrashing the Blues

Reporter: There`s a "stamp out the Beatles movement" underway in Detroit. What are you going to do about it?

Paul McCartney: We`re going to start a campaign to stamp out Detroit.

by hildymac on Apr 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

You even waited overnight for that one...

I don’t even have the energy anymore..

So..

Sighhhh

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Apr 7, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Payne, and here's a very long comment that explains why:

The guy has worked up the ladder from our ECHL Affiliate, the Alaska Aces, into our AHL Rivermen, and now he has a shot in the NHL; Payne knows what it takes to get his job in the big league, and he knows what it takes to hold it. Another bonus from his career is that he’s spent most of his career coaching farm teams, and his game is development-minded — something our team needs, since most of our players are youngsters. Payne is the right man for the job in this case, considering our team is all about development right now.

As for his coaching prowess? The guy is a Hannibal of the Ice. He is a coach who, unlike Andy Murray, adjusts his lines to meet his opponent, and uses set plays to get the job done; on the March 21st game against the Predators, Darren Pang swore up and down that Colaiacovo’s goal was a set play: McDonald passes the puck towards Berglund in the slot, Berglund misses the wind-up, allowing the puck to go right past him to Cola who scored on an out of position Rinne. The defensive, structured game that Murray played (the almost fanatical obsession with the McClement stopper line) has been replaced with an offensive, skill-based style — something that our young players are all about. Along with his style of game, Payne brings to the table a radical view of the sport; he stands perched on the bench, chewing on gum or his lip, examining the opponent’s game with an almost photographic memory (check any post-game interview and he can recall any play at the drop of a hat) and adjusting his lines to combat and overcome. If you want any proof of this Hannibal-style of coaching, it’s his quote from the Blues’ Winter Carnival: he described Janssen not as an enforcer, fighter, or any hockey term for that matter — he described him as an “apex predator.” Pretty radical.

If anyone would like more information, this article should help. It was posted here a while back when he became coach, but I don’t remember who brought it up — feel free to take credit for it.

As for shortcomings this year: we have to remember that Payne was suddenly brought up to the NHL with half a season left, and the team he’s coaching is the one that Andy Murray set up. This off-season, the team will be up to its eyes in re-signings and transactions, and Davis Payne will be able to build his own deck for next season. Payne will be able to adjust the team for his kind of offensive-minded game, and will most likely change around the Captains just to identify the Blues as his making. As an added bonus, I am pretty sure we won’t have to worry about Payne bringing in any Darryl Sydor’s from training camp.

I, for one, welcome the Reign of Payne, and can’t wait to see what the new coach has in store for next season.

by russkidan on Apr 6, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Alright, you sold me.

I hope you’re in advertising or PR or something. You, sir, have a gift.

“Reign of Payne.” Fantastical.

by Washoo on Apr 6, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Reign of Payne" is a hell of a lot better than "You're The Last Piece Of The Puzzle"

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I chose A

but if B was a ‘D’ grade I’d have chosen something between.
I rank him as a B grade and deserving of a whole season.

To put something else out there—I’m not convinced Wamsley is a good coach. I think the Rivermen need a different coach and curious as to what will be done there.
Maybe I’m wrong but my gut says get rid of Wamsley.

Anyone (pssst Brian) care to weigh in?

Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.

It is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. Laura Ingalls Wilder

by luvhockey on Apr 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not 100% sold on Wamsley, either...

…but, like Payne with the Blues, Wamsley was brought up at mid-season to take over the reigns on a team that was floundering, and he got them to within a game of the playoffs before being mathematically eliminated today with just two games remaining on the schedule.

Wamsley’s also never been a head coach, at any level, before January.

I say we give him a full year, and that Wamsley, working with Payne at Development Camp and Training Camp, will be able to put together more of the kind of team he wants, and will have input as to who goes to Alaska, who comes to Peoria, and which depth FA’s get signed.

I have a strong feeling that the Blues are just marking time in Peoria until their contract with the Civic Center runs out, and then I think you’ll see them either move their AHL affiliate to the Family Arena, or to Kansas City (if there’s no NHL team there by then), or else build something over in the Gateway area (I-255 and I-270, near Edwardsville) about 6000 seats or so for an AHL affiliate and a training camp location that they can control.

That, anyway, is what I would do.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I-255 and I-270 near Edwardsville, eh?

Boy, that would REALLY cut down on all of our travel time, wouldn’t it? I, for one, would be all for it.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.

by Donut King on Apr 6, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and then SIU-E could go Division I in another sport...

How kick-ass would it be to see Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Miami-Ohio, etc. coming here every week?

If this $76MM Big Tame ticket pays off…

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Game," dammit...

“It’s all about the game, and how you play it…”

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blues AHL affiliate in St Charles would be so awesome…although convincing the wife to buy more hockey tickets (in addition to my Blues season tickets) would be one hell of an argument.

Payne has done a good job, award him with 1 or 2 more years added to his current organizational contract. Give him a full off season to get his full system in place.

by I_AM_SPARTACUS on Apr 6, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Reins," as in what you use to steer a horse with... not "reigns"

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, Payne should stay.

All the Payne lovers who sounded in before me have already hit the major reasons why he should stay. I think he (being younger than Murray) communicates and relates better with this young team than Murray did . Most of these kids have only been up from the minors,out of High school or college for one to 3 years, and this is the situation he found himself in in Peoria. He seems to have that firm ,yet "laid back approach and it worked for him after Andy left. J.D………….. Don’t let Chris Mason go!!

by Wyoraider on Apr 6, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

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