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Playing Fantasy GM With The Blues

I've mentioned it before and I'm not afraid to admit it here in front of all of you. Hi, my name is Sean Gallagher and I am a horrible fantasy hockey manager.

Hi, Gallagher.

But that doesn't stop me from playing. I have a keeper league that I've been in for over 10 years. On top of that, it's a simulated keeper league, so rather than the geeky rotisserie-style that most people play, mine is about five times geekier than that. If you don't know, ask your average fantasy hockey manager and he'll confirm it for you.

And despite the fact that my keeper team has yet to win a championship in my fake league in over 10 years of trying, I'm going to go all fantasy manager on you tonight as I look at the Blues' offseason. If I were promoted from Fantasy GM/Shitty Hockey Paper Editor to GM of the Blues, this would be my plan of action:

Step 1: Clean House. There are people who are going to leave and people who need to leave. The Blues' unrestricted free agents are Paul Kariya, Chris Mason, Keith Tkachuk, Carlo Colaiacovo, Darryl Sydor, Mike Weaver and Brad Winchester. Of that group, I think I'd let every one of them go except for Weaver and Colaiacovo. Colaiacovo has found his way in St. Louis and is just entering his prime. Short of some ridiculous salary demand, he's a good fit on this team in terms of play and age. Weaver is probably a cheap re-signing and I'll pay him the highest compliment I can give a defensive defenseman: I almost never notice the guy.

As for the rest, Tkachuk is done and he knows it. I like him, but his career is over and he'll retire. At least he should. Not all of us will remember his Blues career fondly, but I will. Kariya doesn't fool me; he has always left teams for anyone who will give him more money. He's leaving for a bigger paycheck elsewhere and he's playing the "I'm clicking here and want to stay" story to milk more money out of someone else. Chris Mason is not the future in net here and he has proven over the last couple years that he's not even the now in net. Depending on what you believe, one of Joe Fallon, Ben Bishop or Jake Allen is the future in net here; none are ready now. The Blues are going to need a bridge between here and there and Mason isn't it; use his cap money on someone else. Sydor and Winchester are not to be re-signed.

Star-divide

Step 2: Take Care Of Ours. The Blues' restricted free agents are Erik Johnson, Alex Steen, David Perron, Cam Janssen and D.J. King. Johnson's cap hit was $3.7 million this year. He needs to be signed to a bonus-heavy contract to allow room to sign his fellow youngsters over the next couple seasons. He only has two NHL seasons to his credit and needs to leave room to grow. He is hardly an established star at this point and should recognize that. Ditto for Perron. Alex Steen should be re-signed, but he needs to remember the same message: leave room for others and realize you're not exactly a superstar at this point. There's room here for all three to blossom, but they haven't yet.

As for the fighters, let both of them go. I like both guys, but King has played 11 games in the last two years and is part of a dying breed: heavyweight fighters are employed almost exclusively by non-Cup contending teams at this point. As for homeboy Cam, we'd love to have him, but the roster needs room to grow with the full and talented pipeline and he's part of the attrition. B.J. Crombeen plays every game and takes a regular shift and he has fought 17 times to Janssens' 19. The team needs space to grow and the guys who can fight need to be able to play, too.

Step 3: Make More Room. In the first two steps I have eliminated seven roster players. Is there more room to make? The elephants in the room are Barret Jackman and Eric Brewer. They both get paid too much for what they do, and both seem to be guys who aren't contributing much. Brewer has one year left on his contract at $4.5 million. He can be bought out for $2.25 million spent over the next two seasons. In other words, it costs about three million bucks a year less to not have him next year than to have him on the team. Domo arigato, Captain Roboto.

As for Jackman, I'm not ready to give up on him, nor am I ready to pay him $4 million to not play here over the next two seasons. The defense is going to get better around him and he should settle into more of a Mike Weaver mode as the team grows.

Step 4: Go Get Somebody. There are players available on the free market and on the trade market. The top unrestricted guys will likely be players like Ilya Kovalchuk and Patrick Marleau and we can make arguments as to whether either would be a good fit in St. Louis. Can Davis Payne get Kovalchuk to play a team game or, alternately, can he cover up for his defensive lapses with responsible linemates (are Backes and Oshie up to the task)? Can Payne coax a consistent effort out of 30-year-old Marleau? Will he be worth the money he's paid?

On the restricted free agent side, there are sure to be some players who can't agree with their teams on their value. The Blues should investigate a trade for an NHL-proven youngster at the cost of some NHL-potential players. It's a given that not everyone in the pipeline has a spot on the pro team waiting for them. Someone can be packaged to make a run at a guy like Blake Wheeler or Bobby Ryan or Devin Setoguchi. Management needs to do the homework and identify high-salary teams that will have problems with their re-signings or identify players who aren't getting the playing time they crave with their current teams. Signing away RFA players hardly ever happens, but trades for RFA players happen all the time. The Blues need to be active on that front. Acquiring a guy who fits in with the core group's 21-26 age range would be a big step forward for next year.

Trade partners exist. Some teams need to move from a position of strength, like Montreal with goalies Carey Price (22 and RFA) and Jaroslav Halak (24 and wanting a starter job) or Minnesota with Niklas backstrom (long-term contract starter) and Josh Harding (25 and wanting a starter job). Those teams both need what the Blues have: young talent.

There will be opportunities to trade from strength to address a weakness. New GM Doug Armstrong needs to be proactive on that front and get to teams before the bidding wars begin. It won't be easy and the assets that will be used may hurt to see them go, but it's time for the Blues to address a couple weak spots with players from outside the franchise.

Step 5: Promote From Within. The Plan has now eliminated eight roster players and hopefully added one or two back. The rest of the spots should be filled from within the organization. In goal, Fallon and Bishop will have to continue compete for time with the Rivermen while Jake Allen plays out the rest of his junior eligibility in Canada. Hopefully Ty Conklin will back up a new addition. Defensively this plan brings back Johnson, Jackman, Weaver, Colaicovo and Polak, which leaves one slot open for either Tyson Strachan or Jonas Junland or Alex Pietrangelo to make the team. I would rather see Pietrangelo start in Peoria and build his game at that level, as he has struggled in the NHL during his tryouts the last two seasons.

Offensively this plan brings back Backes, Berglund, Boyes, Crombeen, D'Agostini, McClement, McDonald, Oshie, Perron and Steen, 10 forwards in all. If the Blues can acquire another forward to add scoring pop, there is one available spot for someone from Peoria to make the team. Whether that is a skilled player like Lars Eller or a hard worker like Nick Drazenovic will be up to the coaches, but it is important for the organizational players in the AHL and ECHL to see that it is possible to move up the ladder with the Blues. It keeps them focused and positive. They need to know that hard work could get them into the pros without having to be traded.

My fantasy GM plan, while easier said than done, achieves several goals. It keeps together the core group of NHL players as well as addresses a couple of holes without going overboard to re-organize everything. Additionally it promotes players who have earned the shot that the NHL from the minor leagues, further solidifying the pipeline.

On the down side, dipping into the well of prospects to address current needs will hurt. Players like Junland or Ian Cole or David Rundblad  or even Alex Pietrangelo could be packaged up and shipped off to another city to bloom. The Blues might have to surrender high draft picks to seal a deal or two. It's sure to upset fans, but if the return is right, it's a necessary evil.

Jumble the players however you want into line combination, but my fantasy eye tells me that the Backes and Oshie duo needs to stay together, possibly with a new acquisition on their other wing. McDonald and Perron might be just the offensive combination needed to get Brad Boyes re-started as a goal scorer, while McClement and Crombeen have looked good together, providing shut-down coverage. Let's put the similar Matt D'Agostini on the line too. Could the Swedish duo of Berglund and Steen provide a third scoring option, possibly with Eller, a Dane who spent his junior days in Sweden as the third piece?

Defensive pairings would be easy to build, with two defensive blueliners, Weaver and Jackman, paired with the offensive blueliners Johnson and Colaiacovo. Polak has a nice two-way game and would be easy to pair with the farmhand who makes the NHL.

It may seem crazy and maybe just a tad too clean, but that's the fantasy world. Can the Blues front office make the right moves to beat my fantasy picks? Should be an interesting summer.

-Sean "I suck at fantasy drafts, too" Gallagher

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Keep Brewer not Jackman

I love Jackman’s heart, I just don’t love his abilities. Brewer is a much better all-around d-man right now.

The rest of your plan sounds good, except the sign Blake Wheeler part…he sucks donkey balls. He’s the new Chris Gratton.

We could also do much worse than Chris Mason, but I guess we could also do better than Chris Mason…I could go either way with him.

by forgetyerskatesdream on Apr 6, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

brewer looks better

cos he ain’t on the top d pair anymore. with his secondary role he still manages a dreadfull -15. i’m not sure you could slide a piece of paper between brewer’s “skills” and jackman’s “heart” jax getting the brewer treatment after mason beheads him publically. but, really, its pretty much what happens to brewer when he is the number one d-man

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beautiful Post

For the post above mine: I disagree with you — heavily. Jackman, while not only having the toughest job in the NHL (I love that link), happens to be doing better at defense than Brewer. I’m not sure what you mean by Brewer being a “better all-around” defender right now, but Jax has the stats on his side: 2 goals, 15 assists for a combined 17 points to Brewer’s 14 points (albeit 7 of those being goals), and having a plus/minus of 3 to Brewer’s -15. In all fairness, though, Jackman is a defensive defender and Brewer is playing a risky offensive game, so you can’t really compare the two.. but I can’t agree with you that Brewer is all-around better.

Other than that: Gallagher for GM? Gallagher for GM. It’s a crying shame that the Blues need a high-scoring left winger, and that’s what Kovalchuk happens to be.. hopefully we can get a miracle going on that front. By the way, I like your idea for the forward lines — mostly the idea of a Viking Line. As for goalie, I am almost certain that the Palushaj trade was for dibs on the loser of the Montreal goalie contest.. just have to see how that one plays out in the off-season.

by russkidan on Apr 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree

with most of what you say.

I’d keep Brewer and trade Jackman – but I’d also love us to have a go at getting Jonathan Bernier.

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by drfrankentweed on Apr 6, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm SO behind getting Bernier.

The kid’s got skills, poise, and nothing but future. And I think he can start

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by Crapchesterian on Apr 6, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great job Sean

I’m in the buy out Brewer, keep Jackman camp.
I’d also like to see 3-4 players come up from Peoria. As I’ve said before the Blues like to keep their
top players way to long in the minors. If they don’t have the opportunity to play at the higher level and learn the speed and system then how do we know they’ll be good?

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At least they can’t burn the house down or something serious, they can only allow goals to be scored.

Put Pietro in Peoria for a awhile and see if he dominates there as he has elsewhere.
Bring up a couple few to learn and earn.

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by luvhockey on Apr 6, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Offtopic question:

Is there a website ANYWHERE where I can find video of last night’s highlights, even though they’ll only be from the in-house feed?

I want to see this Eeej goal and the ScottTrade celebration.

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by TheDuke32 on Apr 6, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

nhl.com’s “every goal from every game” is the cake

and the cake is a lie !!

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Blues site

has the McDonald goal and the EJ Goal

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by drfrankentweed on Apr 6, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you most of the way

I agree on everything up until 4. Then things get kinda sketchy.

First off, I personally want nothing to do with Kovalchuk or Marleau. Kovalchuk esspecially just seems like a prime chance to overpay someone that will bite you in the ass for the next 5 years as your young talent packs up their things and heads out.

And when it comes down to RFA’s, I just don’t know if going out and giving up a big piece of your future is the answer right now. If you can pull of a deal for a Bobby Ryan, then by all means go for it, I’m not gonna say don’t, but not if it’s at the expense of someone you consider a potential 1st line player plus. I don’t think there is much that will convince me that trading Pietrangelo, Eller, or Allen right now is a good idea.

I am open to trading for a goalie however, assumign the deal is centered around Bishop or Fallon. I’m concerned about getting involved in the Price/Halak running, because I have a bad feeling we’d have to give up Allen for that deal to work, and I’m just not willing to do that right now. If we can build something like Bishop/Mid-Level Defensemen Prospect (Fairchild if I had choice) for Price, then yeah, sign me the hell up.

Oh, and Eller has to be a lock for top 3 line minutes next year. I see us making a free agent signing, but not a huge splash, more like a 2 mill a year player to join the team, setting us up with McDonald, Steen, Backes, Oshie, Berglund, Perron, Eller, Boyes, and insert player here, with McClement, D’Agostini, and Crombeen on the checking line. Defense wise, I’m considering Junland the favorite for the 6th spot if we do the “bring Cola and Weaver back, let go of Jackman or Brewer” scenario, with Petro, Cole, and Stratchan down on Peoria.

BTW, does Jake Allen have another year of junior eligibility left? Becuase I thought he’d be AHL pound next year.

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by Novacain on Apr 6, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you -

I want NO PART of Kovalchuk on this team. Not for what we’d have to pay him. He won’t make anyone else on our team better, and his defensive liabilities, combined with possibly shaky goaltending from Mason/Conklin, could pretty much negate whatever offensive spark he brought. I would be more comfortable with Marleau, but he’s going to want serious bones and I don’t want the Blues to mortgage their future on him.

But I still think this team needs something on offense. Even if it’s just upgrading from the Winchesters/Kings/Janssens of the world. Skeet needs to be here to stay. Hopefully the young guns growing up can make up the difference, but I’m still worried about our goal-scoring capabilities next season.

And we still have to do something about goaltending. But I think if the Blues generally follow this plan – cut the dead weight, bring in some improvement on offense and in nets…I think we’re close. Not to a Cup, or anything, but at least being competitive and in good position to make the postseason.

by Washoo on Apr 6, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto on Kovy.

Falconer over at BWA has a pretty good analysis of everything pre and post trade. The Devils’ point pace has slowed by about 15 points for the season with Kovalchuk, and while he is a point per game player now, that’s still off his usual pace. The Devils can make the playoffs and win with or without him – he makes no difference. The Thrashers have shown that we can compete for the playoffs without him, and he did exactly jack and squat during the one appearance they made in the playoffs. Losing Hossa was 100x more of a blow than losing Kovalchuk.

The Blues need someone who can not only score, but make an impact. Kovy’s not that guy.

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by hildymac on Apr 6, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

assuming the blues' brass

reaalize they got too much increase in ticket pricing to do anything other than sign something big, and assuming you don’t want the two elite players out there, just who do you want the blues to throw money at?

how do the blues come back into this fan base with THAT product and alex tanguay at 2 million and get everyone to re-up?

i’d take marleau in a proper deal, marleau has been shot at in san jose by his team for 3 years. what did he do about it? had a personal best 35+ goal bounce back goal last year. THAT wasn’t good enough and they stripped the c off his collar in the off season, what he do about THAT? scored 5 more goals this season. and he isnt 35, he will be what? 32 next season. a three year dear will take him to 35. while he has set personal bests in goals two running seasons!

hell i’d take kovy or semin even should the caps be looking to cut cap cost. the only one i won’t take is no one. a quiet off-season, to me, means an empty saavis. and i’ve been there/ done that and may not do it again

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you'd rather make a big splash in a move that activly hurts us long term, then stand pat?

Because, personally speaking, I’d say signing Kovalchuk, a guy who doesn’t contribute defensivly and generally doesn’t work well in any particular system. Signing Kovalchuk will go above 6 mill, I don’t think he’s worth 4.5. Signing Marleau might touch 5 mill, I don’t think he’s worth 4. If we do make these signings, in 1-2 years you’ll be sitting here complaining about how we shouldn’t have overpaid when we lose one of our young guys who has a 60 point season and wants compensation for it, but we can’t afford him.

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by Novacain on Apr 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure

kovy hurts us long term, suspect marleau des not.

the health the of franchise, any franchise is the fan base. NOT hitting a homerun while having a non playoff team AND increasing prices dramatically is the long term harm i don’t want to see happen

6 million per for 4 years for marleau i could live with, hell i lived with jax, brewer and mckey contracts combined for mone money and longer, haven’t i?

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Difference being

Those contracts were signed when the Blues were terrible, and the only way to convince anyone to sign here was to overpay their contracts by like 50%. We were the joke of the league when those deals were inked, and just getting a warm body with NHL experience was a god send. Now we are a team fulled to the brim with young talent, have been competitive for back to back years, and are on an upward swing. Times change. The money will be better used waiting to re-sign Oshie, Berglund, and whoever else next year and forward.

And, sorry, Patrick Marleau is not a 6 million dollar a season player. He’s closer to one then Paul Kariya is, but he’s still not one.

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by Novacain on Apr 6, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

you've been too many home games?

we ARE terrible.

we are overpriced as a team

and star-less

with ok ticket prices.

you want the only thing to change next season is the ticket prices?!!?

the blues had their ticket agents show up at sunday’s game and work certain people in the crowd about re-upping. lots of hard core fans are claiming they will not renew.

boyes is making 5 million and is behind patricks goals and points for the three seasons he has been in the note. semin will be over 6 next year. marleau is better than both of them. kovy is 7.5 and nab is 6. free agent market they could all, including pk going higher.

this isnt a case where the blues afraid to not re-up crap. of over pay in a bidding war with no one (for the likes of mckee) 6 million plus will be what the top 5-8 free agents will get per year. so if they blues want in on it, they will pay the market rate to do so

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dayum...

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i want

to do a thing on the “but oh we had to pverpay for players” crap sandwhihc you keep feeding me, but i’ve done it already. go back 3 free agencoes ago, look at the top 10 available d-men, then find where they signed and for what…

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two Questions:

1. Where would one find the info you mention?

2. Is there some objective listing of “the top 10 available d-men” were?

Just askin’… not lookin to start any shit.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were right at the middle of the league in points, were in the bottom third in ticket prices. We also play in the good conference which lowers our points a bit.

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by Icion on Apr 6, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read this twice to be sure,

and I can honestly say that I agree with everything you said down to the last detail.

But, then again, I am also a terrible fantasy hockey GM.

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by hullnoates on Apr 6, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

siigh

i could have swore i saw some tanya harding in him too. guess not

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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

and isn't he

having hip surgery? Or am I thinking of someone else?

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by luvhockey on Apr 6, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, you've got the right guy...

…but from what I understand, the surgery is minor and the odds of a 100% full recovery are excellent.

I’d take Harding in a New York minute, but there’s a price I won’t pay for him. As soon as Minny asks about Jake Allen, the next sound they should hear should be “click.”

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the exact surgery Kariya had

I’ve looked at various forums tonight and most people say recovery to full range of motion is 8-12mo.
That is about what it took Kariya. Most of the people in the forums are very athletic as this is what causes the problem.
They are not sedentary wimps.
When you figure the type of motion goalies need to do—-He’ll be out all next season or a big chunk of it

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by luvhockey on Apr 6, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the space for rent owned by Roman Turek too?

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Apr 6, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Harding, but that photo is REC'D like the German economy in the Weimar Republic...

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This sad thing is....

….I was five minutes late to class because I was putting that together.

A man has to have priorities.

by Rich of GASL on Apr 6, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should have paid a TA $50.00 to cover your class.

Did you tell them that you were late due to photoshopping? Coulda gotten you some geeky coed action!

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 6, 2010 10:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The folks at the Asylum would be appalled at such use of common sense, Juan.

I’m solidly with you on the “Keep Jackman, Shed Brewer” front. Home crowds cheering Sir Jaxx’s scratches be damned. I would also not be opposed to Sir Jaxx wearing the C if the organization feels like Backes isn’t ready to be one yet . . . previous asinine FanPosts be damned.

Tell ya what . . . if we can get a goalie like Jaroslav Halak, I would be a happy dude. But would Montreal really let him go? It’d take a monster offer to get that done, and you don’t do that to someone who’s basically only been a starter for half a season.

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by Donut King on Apr 6, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm of the mindset of Price being the real golden egg in the Montreal Goose

That’s a terrible analagy, but I’m gonna stick with it.

Sometimes a young hyped up player in a major canadian market just needs a change of scenery to a less pressure filled city. While St. Louis isn’t as low pressure as, say, Atlanta, it’s still gives a young player a chance to basically relax and just focus on hockey. Casey Price has all the talent in the world, if he gets his head on straight, which I think could happen if he comes here, he could become the type of goaltender that carries a team to a Cup

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by Novacain on Apr 6, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carey Price = best bet

He’s a buy-low guy. The Blues won’t have to give up as much for him. If he’s great, awesome. If he sucks, we’re used to it and he can bridge the gap to Allen and Bishop or whatever the flavor of the month is.

But yeah, Price outside of Montreal should be good. My only reservations: he has a partying past — will he mesh with the young guys in a bad way?

by averagejoe on Apr 6, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

carey price

sacre bleu that would be a smart acquisition.

Paul Kariya's hips don't lie and he's starting to feel it's right.

by NateTheGreat. on Apr 6, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he could fit in.

And at the right price, I might take Price and ride him for a few years until the pipeline guy(s) would be ready (coughJAKEALLENcough), then let him be a free agent. Unless he really kicks ass. Then you have a conundrum.

But Halak . . . I really wouldn’t mind having him, either.

See, I’m just trying to get one or the other away from the St. Lawrence River. Jacques Cartier would be SO pleased with me.

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by Donut King on Apr 6, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he’s great, awesome. If he sucks, we’re used to it

So damn true… And Price is suffering from being rushed into the job in the worst possible place. (What the hell was Gainey thinking? “If I just shove this peg into this hole here, it will come out shaped like Patrick Roy.”). A change of scenery would do him good.

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by Dominik on Apr 7, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen on paragraph one

No opinion on paragraph two.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 6, 2010 10:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Step 6: Trade some of this young talent to get better

It must be in the rule book or something, because everyone says you simply can’t play more than three under-25 d-men at a time. With Polak, EJ, and Pietro filling that void, that leaves the Blues with guys like Cole, Junland, Strachan, Rundblad etc. All of those guys have value, it’s time to get something for them.

The whole point of a young movement is not to just hoard talent, but to give the team options. Polak is a legit pro. EJ is on his way. That means, the Blues really just need one more to fill in the 6 spot. In all honestly, what kind of future does Cole have in St. Louis with Brewer, Jackman, Cola, Weaver etc. earning PT. Some of these guys most value to the Blues is that the can fetch a strong return.

Now don’t make a dumb deal, but you gotta give to get. It’s time to stop collecting assets like priceless commodities and start bringing in some talent.

by averagejoe on Apr 6, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Total agreement....

… excluding the Kovy option. GET MARLEAU! I think if we threw the 6 mil that Paul has been sucking up at Patty, we get a major upgrade up front. I’d be totally cool with a 3 year, 18 mil contract for the Patster.

by thistypeofthinking on Apr 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

marleau = overrated

i don’t want to spend big bucks on a forward who’s only going to get us 60 points. and without joe thornton, that’s exactly what marleau will score.

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by NateTheGreat. on Apr 6, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

They took the captaincy away…and he got better. He was pissed. Wanted to show them what he could still do. Maybe on another Western Conference team, he does the same thing.

Maybe? I wouldn’t go very long term, though.

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by Brad Lee on Apr 6, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree...

You put Marleau out there with Backes and Oshie, and see what happens.

Steen, Berglund and Eller.

McDonald, Perron and Boyes (if he can’t be moved), or whomever they can trade Boyes for.

I like the looks of those scoring lines.

I’m also 100% in favor of giving both Cracknell and Drazenovic a chance with the Silent McBeen duo. I honestly don;t see why the Blues acquired D’Agostini, unless it was to curry favor with les Habitants in order to siphon off the odd man out in the Halak/Price controversy.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 6, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

With the Brewer or Jackman choice...

… you have to consider which has the stronger ego. Right now I hear the boos and “you suck ____” jeers evenly split between Brewer and Jackman (and only between them I think). When one of them leaves, the other one is going to get double the abuse. Which one can take it?

by Mr. Particle on Apr 6, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Your Lines

Oshie-Backes-Ryan
Perron-McDonald-Boyes
Crombeen-McClement-Dagostini
Eller-Berglund-Steen
Drazenovic

Jackman-Johnson
Weaver-Coliacovo
Polak-Junland
Strachen

Price
Conklin

These are your lines where I added Junland/Strachen+Eller/Draz because you didn’t have the spots listed. I added Price and Bobby Ryan to the roster since they were the best 2 mentioned.

Im not sure what it would take to get the rights to Price and Ryan. I also think we won’t be able to move Brewer and we will resign Cam. Jackman has a few bad games and hes suddenly the antichrist. 2 weeks ago he was leading the team in - (tied at9) and playing as our top pair defenseman with the stats to back up that he has the hardest job in the NHL, seriously guys?

In the ideal circumstances we obtain Price+Ryan and plan B involves Harding+Wheeler then plan C is to sign Marleau for 7 mil, plan D is trading for Sharp, the E is for motherfucking Stempniak, Lee.

To get Price we have to give Montreal a flashy name player or a high dollar return that would held them this year. Either pie+a cog or draft picks.
Ryan is going to be great for years to come but unlike Montreal, Anaheim has money problems. Neidemeyer is off the books for 6.5 next year which would give them the money to resign Ryan for about the same but they are still in cap trouble. Brewer+Cole(or Jund)2nd would roughly be the price to obtain his RFA rights.
PriceHarding=1st, 2nd, Cole, Bishop, Brewer.

More likely instead of Price we sign Harding for Fallon+2nd(dare to dream).

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.

by Icion on Apr 6, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

There should be pluses

Jackman was plus9

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.

by Icion on Apr 6, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep King

Trust me. His presence is enough.

Crombeen is not enough of a deterant

North Co! North Co! North Co!

by Answer Man on Apr 6, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

With third man and instigator, there is no such thing as a deterrent in today’s pussified NHL.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 6, 2010 10:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

this jackman booing bisness

IS pissing me off

Sid the Kid should go back to the playground

by BulldogOshie on Apr 6, 2010 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Me, too.

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Apr 6, 2010 10:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm with you there.

Barret Jackman is my hero.

Fueled. These new shores burn. Shadow, my sweet shadow, to you I look no more.

Crosby and Malkin. Two girls, one cup.

by BluesTiger on Apr 7, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cola

I don’t think he will be back. Buying out Brewers contract just to keep Cola wouldn’t make enough sense financially to management imo.

by Holiday86 on Apr 7, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Cola is gone.

I just can’t see keeping him around. As much as I like the dude, I don’t see him coming back, unless Brewer is let go. And if you couldn’t guess, I’m on the ditch Brewer keep Jackman train as well. We have to many good D-men coming up to keep everyone in Peoria. I also agree that we need a better scoring threat and goalie.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the we could get either Backstrom or Semin from Washington. I don’t think the Caps are dumb enough to let either of them go, but we’ll see. I am also of the vein that Kovy should be kept as FAR from St. Louis as we can. If we could manage it, I wouldn’t mind seeing Lecavilier being brought in. I know he’s not spring chicken, but he can score, and I think he would be a great mentor for the kids. (Perron, Oshie, etc.) Unfortunately the market for superstars is really not there other than through trade however, so this will be an interesting decision. Frolov may be an interesting one to get via free angency however….

As far as the goalie situation, I think Price is far and away our best option. Its a buy low deal. They don’t seem to be too keen on him in Montreal and since he’s only 21, I’m thinking he can really have a break out somewhere else. St. Louis would be the perfect town for that. If we can get him for not to terribly much, I say go for it.

Barret Jackman is my hero.

Fueled. These new shores burn. Shadow, my sweet shadow, to you I look no more.

Crosby and Malkin. Two girls, one cup.

by BluesTiger on Apr 7, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

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