Patrick Marleau vs. the Ziggurat of doom!
There are those who support the Ziggurat of doom and claim those who disbelave are being negative and arguementative. I believe, instead, in the power of the Blues and see the ziggerault of doom as the keystone monument of a naysayers failure.
First off. Patrick Marleau isn't god. He is 6 million dollars. and he might be more. He is a free agent in a time of few skilled free agents and he fits various Blues needs. Like for a 30-goal scorer, Patrick sans help is a 30 goal a year man, with Joe-joe he ramped up to 35-40. Patrick is someone with prior leadership responsibilities, someone who responds when challanged, and most improtantly. Someone available. I believe the Blues can sign people at appropriate prices. The myth of the Ziggurat of doom is simply untrue.
Secondly. Ticket prices are unrelated to player salaries. Period. That is not an arguement i have or will make. What i am saying is the Blues CANNOT set prices. this is economics 101. Literally. it will be a foundation fo the first economic course you ever take. What i AM suggesting is the Blues can successfully raises prices ONLY if they increase demand for their product. This season's product was not a help to them. To increase demand, or even stablize demand, they have to do somehting to make people go "wow". period.
So what, exactly is the Ziggurat of doom? It is the belief that the Blues, St. Louis, and us fans are so vile to someone playing in the NHL that they won't come here. It is a bedtime story fed to us since the wanning days of the nba owner from some central Missouri village. It is false.
here is a link to espn's 2008 top d free agents
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=3462917
Espn knows hockey like the Easter Bunny knows 17th century poetry perhaps, but it is just an example. Remove the players who resigned with their own teams. of the remaining, 33% go to good teams, 33% go to middle of the road teams, 33% go to bad teams. this is NOT unusual. this is typical. Streit is making jax/brewer money for the Kansas City Islanders, Campbell took less to go to Chicago. the still not int eh palyoff Chicago team by the way. Hainsey left Columbus and headed to Atlanta for Brewer money. etc etc etc not every free agent works out. but a lot of Brewer money guys end up in midwestern towns or on crappy financially troubled teams. I'd still like Streit.
ok how is THAT a Ziggurat ? Meh.
its level one.
Level two is now the Blues' MUST overpay for their guys like Jax and Roboto. Why? Obvioiusly we can't replace them in free agency, in fact if they snifff free agency we won't even be able to get them back, cos they will hate St. Louis! So we need to pay them. OVER pay them. And as soon as they do something good. Even if it is for 2 months. ANd toss in a no trade close. to cover the smell of the crowd.
So now we are convinced we have to overpay for everyone we sign.
Wait a second what about other ways to get a player?
ummm. The waiver wire. WE want Waiver Wire Larry to return to waiver wire form? Well not the WAIVER WIRE LARRY days obviously. be serous there are other ways.
oh RESTRICTED free agents. Sorry we got to overpay for them too. Definitionally. If we don't overpay we don't get the player, his team will just match, so if we can't outbid teams in the free agency because the stigma of player hatred hangs over St. Louis and maybe Cleveland since they still don't have a team. unfortunately we can't eliminate all that supposed player hate and bid against just all the teams and get a player without overbidding as well. In fact we just told whatever team owns the player we like him so much we will pay his salary, and probably thrown in aaron p. or would have if we didn't get a healthy scratch for him already.
Come on man! The trades! the Trades! its how we got Steen!! Yep nice one there larry doug jd Chopper. but I think the Blues told us we couldn't really trade our players either. First off all the ones we want to trade we overpaid, and all the young guys that we haven't overpaid yet we have to hang on until we DO overpay them. And I am only slightly joking here folks. Jd has been quoted more than once about not wanting to give up young underperforming players cos he still really doesn't know what he has yet. meh.
THAT is the ziggerault of DOOOOOOM!! Layer upon layer added to the long held believe the Blues have handed to the fans that we can't buy players for what there worth. not in free agency. not resigning our own, not in restricted free agency. and not in trade. we also have to hang on to our kids until we figure out they are worth overpaying.
I'm not that negative. But I run in to this brand of negaivity and self abuse alot. I believe in this town and team. I believe we should be a well respected destination point. That our management and owners will eventually figure out how to get a top scorer via free agency, and that they are full capable of bidding 6.5 for Marleau WHILE being completely capable of NOT bidding 10.5 for him. And with the multiple contracts off the books, the cap room already still present, and the end of the hot sex I expect something in free agecy.
End of the hot sex?!? the HONERYMOON IS OVER. for everyone.the owners. the players. the fans. so this free agency will be what happens when the Blues stop being polite and start being real.
so hate on it. move higher up on the ziggerault of doom and enjoy the view if you wish
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I didn't read any of this, but I have one question already:
What in the flying fuck is a “ziggurault”?
I think he means ziggurat.
It’s kind of like a pyramid. I don’t get it either.
"You suck, but at least you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull
I figured that's what he was going for.
Ziggurat makes sense – as much as it can in this context, anyway. I’m just trying to figure out how a guy types “ziggurault” about 57 times and doesn’t realize he’s fucking it up. I know Firefox spellcheck had to catch that. And if I’m going to use a word that many times and base my entire point on its analogy, I might double-check just to make sure I’m not fucking it up.
So.....
Who’se your supplier, because that dude must be coming up with some damn good shit.
I think what your trying to say in a very… insane way is that we can sign Marleau without overpaying at around 6.5 million, and that we need to spend money instead of over-paying for other players and blah blah blah.
My argument is 6.5 mill range should only be for top 5 or so players in the NHL, and spending more is overpaying on matter what, and I don’t give a fuck about what “market value” says. The average market value in free agentcy in the NHL is over paying and then wondering what the fuck you were thinking 2-3 years later. Oh, and blah blah blah.
It comes down to this: Just because everyone else is jumping of a bridge doesn’t mean you should too. Marleau to me is a good player, but a player who benefited greatly from playing with the best assist man in the NHL. He’s a good player, but signing him, for lack of a better comparison, would be like shelling out the money Buffalo has to Thomas Vanek: It’s what you had to do to get him, but it’s still a crap load of money going to a player who will never be elite, your just plugging him in because it’s the closest thing you have. I’d rather not have an elite player and be a complete team effort then try to pretend we do.
Breaking News: I'm currently in the process of writing "I will not say and/or type "that word" 1,000 times.
that
pretty much is all your opinion. none of it is a fact and some of it is wrong. i could be an ass and say something like ohhh Becuase your arguments usually are based on no merit other then looking for a reason to bitch. instead i’ll merely point out that 60 players make over 6 million this year. that the top 5 make over 8 million and that if i was worried that the team would overpay for some worthless mckee player just because free agency was afoot i’d not have much faith in the blues,, would i?
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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 6, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
What the fuck are you two arguing about?
Seriously. I can’t figure it out, and the rambling, nonsensical fanpost above does nothing to clarify. Is this about whether the Blues should sign Patrick Marleau? or how much they should pay for Marleau? or Mesopotamian architecture? or whether the Easter Bunny does or does not have a comprehensive knowledge of 17th century poetry?
goddamn, son.
"You suck, but at least you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull
It goes back to the other thread
…though at this point, I don’t even really know either. I didn’t think we should sign Marleau to keep our money fresh for the inevidable other re-signings of our never ending supply of prospects, and think paying market value for him would be viewed like us signing Paul Kariya is now, or how he views signing Jay McKee back then (though that’s an entirely different can of words)
Basically: We defended our cases, he called the team terrible, I bascially called him an idiot for doing that, and here we are. Internet fighting makes everyone involved look stupid, and it looks like I’m included today.
Breaking News: I'm currently in the process of writing "I will not say and/or type "that word" 1,000 times.
Well, for what it’s worth, I agree that the market value for Marleau will probably be too high to make sense for the Blues at the present. I am still undecided, however, on the topic of ziggurats. I mean, I like them, but they aren’t exactly the pyramids are they?
"You suck, but at least you know you suck. That's what I like about you." -Brett Hull
I am not sure what to say about that
But after having an extensive talk with the Easter Bunny, his knowledge of anything that doesn’t have to do with leaving little baskets full of stuff for kids is very limited.
Breaking News: I'm currently in the process of writing "I will not say and/or type "that word" 1,000 times.
and for my part
I think returning this same team to the fans with little or no changes will turn out to be a poor choice by management. and i believe in this team’s ability to go free agent shopping for the first time in a while, and hope they do.
I also got pissed off about always having to defend things with “proof” when no one else does, so i came over here with a few beers and rambled where everyone could ignore it instead of continue it on the main side. it wasn’t properly ignored :)
if the actual issue is my use of “terrible” i going to do something really stupid and defend my use of it. briefly
my 10 game weekend package saw what? 2 wins. i picked up 3 additional games (which were shockingly all wins) we all know what the blues did in front of us. we know about their lack of killer instinct, their inability to hold leads, their possible leadership derth, their power play foilbles. it is NOT a good team.
however there are certianly things i respect and like about them as well. several players. i still trust the ownership group. I’ve been on jarrko’s drafting bandwagon longer than anyone here and haven’t jumped off yet (mind you he does upset me with a reach pick or two occasionally) and again, i’m optimist about the honeymoon being over (which is a recent jd mantra, not mine) if the honeymoon is TRULY over. and if this overseason is to be “busy” (which i suspect means in all ways, trades, drafts, signings, buyout, everything). I’m still confident in the blues ability to give me a good team next season. and i’m confident they will use all avenues available to them to do it. and i am confident it will work. and if its terrible for me to remember those games i went to and consider this team not making improvements in the offseason, i’m liable to use terrible words. I’m terrible that way.
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by Childhood Trauma on Apr 7, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
CT wrote:
I think returning this same team to the fans with little or no changes will turn out to be a poor choice by management.
I completely agree. Some changes will have to be made; I think we all just disagree on how much needs to be changed.
I’ve been on jarmo’s drafting bandwagon longer than anyone here and haven’t jumped off yet…
Not longer than me, you havent… :)
Thanks for the link to the free agents in 2008, also.
B.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Apr 7, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously wtf is this
The whole post was sort of long, winding, rambly but it lacked a certain “Im really drunk, franchise goalie on the first line” sort of charm. I have no idea what point your trying to make here except addressing our need for more Vespene gas.
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