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Could Stempniak come back to St. Louis?

This was Lee Stempniak's last home game in the Bluenote. Could he come back as a free agent?

This was Lee Stempniak's last home game in the Bluenote. Could he come back as a free agent?

This summer's free agency period has been strange and slow to an almost unprecedented degree. Short of Nashville's contract to Matthew Lombardi, the Rangers' signing of Vaclav Prospal and Minnesota's accepted offer to Matt Cullen, no other unrestricted forward has signed a contract over $2 million per year. The vast majority of free agent forwards have signed contracts similar to Brad Winchester's $700,000 deal with St. Louis.

What has happened is that a large group of productive forwards have been waiting and waiting and waiting for something to happen. One theory is that once Ilya Kovalchuk finally signs somewhere, a virtual signing levee will break and players like Marek Svatos, Mike Comrie, Petr Sykora, Alexander Frolov, Paul Kariya, Maxim Afinogenov, Raffi Torres and Alexei Ponikarovsky will quickly find new homes.

Personally, I find that theory flawed, as the suitors for Kovalchuk (believed to be down to Los Angeles and New Jersey) aren't going to fill the hole left by not landing the $10 million one trick pony by signing several of those less talented but still valuable forwards listed.

Instead, it seems as if every team in the league is pulling the same trick on every scorer who wants to get paid this summer as the interested teams have pulled on Kovalchuk: it isn't collusion if it's unofficial, and every team seems to be hard-lining Kovalchuk and his cheaper forward bretheren.

Of all of the second tier scorers who are still available, one of the most intriguing is Lee Stempniak. Blues draftee and our breakout player of the year back in 2006, Stempniak was the first face of the post-lockout Blues' youth movement. He was homegrown and he was young and he could score.  But as the rest of the roster filled out with other youthful players in scoring roles and free agency and trades brought other top line players like Paul Kariya and Andy McDonald to St. Louis, Stempniak found himself marginalized here.

When Stempniak was traded to Toronto in November 2008, Blues fans were sad to see him go, but not nearly as heartbroken as they would have been a year or two earlier. It just seemed like it was time for him to move on and hopefully get a chance to play on a scoring line with the struggling and thin Maple Leafs. That didn't happen exactly, as he struggled to score there too. When he was traded at the deadline this season to Phoenix, the change of scenery reinvigorated stempniak and he looked like the player that Blues fans loved back in 2006 through 2008, scoring 14 goals in 18 games in the desert.

Now, Stempniak remains without a contract. As he told ESPN in an interview, he's still in contact with the Coyotes and they admit that they'd like to have him back "at the right price." The Coyotes have room under the cap, but they already have 11 potential NHL forwards under contract and two other RFA players left to sign, meaning that bringing back Stempniak squeezes out someone else. Plus, coming off a contract that paid him $2.5 million last year, one wonders how serious the Coyotes really are.

But what of the Blues? Would they consider floating an offer to Stempniak? Would he consider even talking to the team?

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The Blues, practically speaking, still have to spend $3 million more just to reach the cap floor this year. That will clearly be eaten up when David Perron and Erik Johnson are re-signed in the coming weeks, but the Blues will then have 13 NHL forwards under contract. If Stempniak was offered a contract, the Blues could likely afford it, but would they be able to make space on the roster?

The addition of Stempniak would mean that the Blues would have to pay him in the area of $2.5 - $3 million a season and they aren't going to sign him up for that kind of contract to play on the third line. His presence means that guys like Cam Janssen and Matt D'Agostini and Brad Winchester are going to lose playing time. That a guy like T.J. Oshie maybe finds himself getting less scoring line time and power play time. Does Stempniak really deserve that kind of playing time?

Stempniak's 28 goals last year would have put him first on the Blues. First. Ahead of Andy McDonald and Alexander Steen's 24 and well ahead of David Backes' 17 and Brad Boyes' paltry 14. But that's also the problem: which Stempniak would be signed? Is he the Toronto Stempniak who scored 14 goals in 62 games or the on fire Stempniak who scored 14 in 18 in Phoenix? He has scored 27 in a season in St. Louis and 28 last year. He has also scored 14 in 2009 and just 13 in 2008.

The Blues would love to re-sign Stempniak if they knew he was trending up towards 30 goals a year. They can ill afford to throw another $3 million contract at a guy who is going to go Brad Boyes on them and score 14 in a season. Clearly, Stempniak represents a risky addition.

Would the team even have the guts to call Stempniak's agent? Sure, having traded him makes that a tough call, but management could probably spin that easily enough; that was a different time and a different team, you were being asked to play a different role by a different coach and a different GM, you'll be given the opportunity to think score-first now, just like in Phoenix.

Beyond that, management has learned at least one lesson about St. Louis in their days here and that is that we love our sports heroes. We welcome them back like family, like they never left. The hometown aspect of having Cam Janssen on the roster continues to pay off for the scrappy fighter with one career goal in the Bluenote. Stempniak, given his history with the team, would be a big PR boon for the team as No. 12 jerseys would come out of mothballs all across the region.

From the team perspective, it'd be a risk to sign him, but the payoff could be huge. The downside would really only be the legacy of yet another too rich, too long contract to yet another underperforming athlete (Fragile Jay McKee, Robot Captain Eric Brewer, Barret Jackman). Based on the potential upside and PR positives the Blues could probably be persuaded to make an offer.

But what about Stempniak? Would he be interested in coming back? Would he see it as a hit to his pride to come back to the team that traded him?

There's no telling what he might be thinking as an individual about any offer from St. Louis. Would he consider this positively, as a triumphant return to the city where his NHL career began, vindicated as a bona fide scorer? Or would he look at it as an embarassing return to a city with his tail between his legs, taking an offer to a team that cast him off once because he couldn't get a viable offer elsewhere?

From a practical standpoint, it could make sense for Stempniak. For one, he must be feeling confident about his abilities after his hot finish to the season. Put me on a top line with a mandate to go score, he must be thinking, and I can do it again. I can do better. Given the Blues' struggles with goal scoring, they could do worse than carving out a spot on the top two lines for Stempniak. Given coach Davis Payne's "painters paint, plumbers plumb" mentality versus Andy Murray's "all lines must do the same things" philosophy, Stempniak could be in a position to succeed. He would likely be excited to play in a system like Payne's.

Finally, is the money there? Based on his Blues-created contract that just ended where he earned $2.5 million, he likely wants more for his next contract. But based on his streaky scoring past and the lack of suitors for his services thus far, he's probably going to have to accept a contract parallel to what he just earned, or more likely a lower base built up with performance incentives.

In the end, the crux of the issue comes down to personality issues. The Blues have the money and the need for a scorer. Stempniak needs a contract and could find himself with assurances that he'd be given a scorer's role on the team. Both the team and the player can be confident that the signing would be received well by the fans and media. The team gets good press and the player gets a hero's welcome back to the ice.

But again the personalities. Can management go to Stempniak and say that they want him back? That the trade was a necessary at the time, but they wish they could have done it differently? Do they see that as swallowing too much pride? For Stempniak, how bitter was the breakup the first time? Was he embaraased to leave? is he holding a grudge? Is St. Louis a place he would be happy to return?

In all likelihood, an offer won't be made in the first place as ownership and management continue to work through their improve vs spend issues, but if the offer were made, how would it be received? Could it happen? It'd be interesting to see.

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I always liked Stempniak.

He was a reason to get excited back in the good old days when I had section 312 all to myself. But he is either one of two things: a guy who can be a top scoring threat on a team with a pop-gun offense—he needs lots of PP/top line minutes but doesn’t quite have the skill to demand it— or he is just a contract year monster.

He went from 14 to 27 goals in his first contract year. Then, after getting a big payday, he had seasons of 13 and 14 goals before scoring 28 in his next contract year. See the trend here? Unless the Blues sign him to a short incentive-filled contract, they’re not gonna get much bang for their buck, because the boy only scores when it’s time to get paid.

by Manbones on Jul 18, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

His stats are perplexing

If you through out his one monster year you look at the stats and realize hes an assist machine. Something I noticed when i watched the leafs games, he was a monster when it came to assists, would win battles on the wall, make good passes then have his line mates piss away the puck. Looking at his stats, he occasionally just blows up the net and scores like a maniac but honestly I think he has a ton of ability to play the puck he just doesn’t know how to consistantly finish. He seems to do everything else right but he doesn’t want to be the guy who finishes, he always seemed very Oates-ian in that regard. His value is based on the linemates he plays with which leads me to believe he would be great here but as my post below explains, we just don’t have the room.

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jul 18, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where are we gonna fit him?

We don’t really have room for another second line forward considering we have about 7 of those right now.
Dag/Winchester/Jansen/So-bot are our 4th liners. They will get their time on the fourth line because thats what they do and theres no point in using him there or considering so that leaves in no actual order.
Osh, Perron, Berg.
Backes, mcD, boyes.
Steen, Jay, crombeen.
Stemp is a beautiful dream but really unless we undo winchesters contract, move crombeen down to the fourth line with the other too many guys we have there and place him on the third line to become a checker we have no room for stemp. Maybe next year when Boyes is off the books we will have room but until then stempniak is more of what we have already.

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jul 18, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I think a deal for Stempniak really only makes sense

if they trade Berglund first, or if Perron gets a huge offer sheet we can’t / won’t match. The front office has been rumored to be shopping Berglund, so it’s possible, but even with his sophomore slump, I’m not sure JD would want to jettison some of our future (and a potential 25-30 goal scorer).

But you’re right – there really isn’t much of a spot for Lee unless we move a forward.

by puckdoctors on Jul 18, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roster-guessing!

I would imagine that if he were to join the team, he would be placed on the right-wing of the Steen-McClement 3rd line, with Boyes being the sniper for the 2nd line and Crombeen moving to the 4th line checking-role. Janssen, D’Agostini, and Winchester would all be competing for the 4th line LW spot, since Crombeen and Sobotka can actually contribute offensively.

I don’t think it will happen, though. Not that he wouldn’t be a good fit for the team, it’s just that this season the Blues will be playing the product of their rebuild to see if the players they have can actually, y’know, play. With Kariya and Tkachuk gone, the Blues will have top-lines that depend on the youngsters to perform in a trial-by-fire. At the end of this season, depending on how well the Blues’ homegrown players do, the Blues will go to the 2011 Free Agent market (which by all accounts is more promising than this year’s) to add to the roster and get the team we want. Free agents like Lee Stempniak would definitely help, but might be a ball-and-chain to the organization if more promising players show up in next year’s market, and would interfere with the gauntlet that JD and management have thrown down for the youngsters.

Sounds weird to say it, but in the franchise re-build this season is really about next season. Next season the Blues will know how well the youngsters can do, can buy from a much better free agent market, and can start gearing the team from a rebuild to a playoff-winner. If anyone thought that the kids needed more playing time, this is a season to get excited about.

by russkidan on Jul 18, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And next season the Towerbrook sale should be complete...

… and the purse strings will hopefully be a little more flexible.

by BleedBlue42 on Jul 19, 2010 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes get Stempy

get him to replace winny and I will have nothing to complain about

"HOLY JUMPIN!"

by stlAJ on Jul 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Can we do like in NHL 10

and make a trade with the Free Agency pool? Winny for Dutchie, straight up.

(…and maybe through Brewer in there too while we’re at it.)

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Jul 18, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bury Winchester and D'Agostini in Peoria, where they belong...

…and go get Stempniak.

Perron, Berglund, Oshie
McDonald, Backes, Boyes
Sobotka, Steen, Stempniak
Janssen, McClement, Crombeen

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Jul 18, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

i do think there is a waiting game

it isnt because the second tier guys are looking to go to la-la land if the kings fail, but rather all these contracts are “market value” but what is market value? it is some percentage less than what kovy will get. if you are the blues and/or comrie, you are playing a game of wait and see. comrie will get more money if kovy gets his deal, the blues will pay less to get dutchie if the kings get their deal.

this sort of wait and see generally is only seen after major nfl drafts whre no one signs untl the number one signs and sets the price for the number 2-6 picks.

i also suspect there is a wait and see on the cap teams. as mentioned in the article the coyotees havfe room, but not really money or space to make a single move, they would have to make several. and the hawks may not be done clearing the ice.

again teams can wait to see if a free more players will dilute the market, and players can wait to see if a few more teams can or must change things so severly they also have a slot to gain, or make a trade forcing a different team to fill a whole.

p.s. i hate caps. always have. the virtually capless baseball is now the only league with real trading going on. nhl doomed us all to this kinda tradeless, addition through subtraction calculator driven drivel.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Jul 18, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

holster it for this year. wait until semin becomes unrestricted next year. fire on that.

by bzgea2 on Jul 18, 2010 5:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think he'll be all that opposed.

Hell, the Blues gave him his start in The Big Time. It’s not like he’s egotistical. It’s not like he’s full of his own shit.

This shouldn’t be a problem, if the Blues decided to offer him something formidable to return to the team.

Off topic, and being that I’ve been a bit nostalgic about my parents this afternoon for reasons some of you already know about . . . I can remember when he was traded a couple years back. My Mom absolutely LOVED Stempniak, and when I came home to see if she’d heard the news, she went absolutely BALLISTIC about it. “I’m not rooting for those two guys!”, she said, obviously speaking of Steen and Colaiacovo. “Give it time, Mom, these guys will be OK.”, I said. “Besides, if he’s good enough to bring two players back for him, it can’t be ALL that bad, right?” I guess I was right, but really, who the hell cares now, eh?

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.

by Donut King on Jul 18, 2010 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Raffi Torres

I see what you did there…

by Washoo on Jul 18, 2010 9:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

His recent marriage had ....

at least 4 former and current Blues there. If Prospal can go back and forth to a team, Olli in the same way. I think Stemp can see the upside here. I would definately rather have Frolov come in and be a LW to the Mac/Boyes line. However, I could definately see Stemp being the Boyes addition to the team. I don’t know that he deserves a 3 mil contract, but I don’t think Perron has earned that either, but you know he is going to get it. Blues like hometown players, Stemp is that, Frolov is not. Stemp can score, a previous post said that he has an “oatsish” mentatlity. I will take that if that means Boyes can put in 45 goals. The Blues are already a risky team, that’s ok with me. I love this team and the way they are going. We have always been the Blue Chip team that hopes someone will step up. Hey Brett Hull. Oates. Big Al for Housely, even the Fucking Donger for Shanny. I hate the Donger, even to this day, but the guy is good. We are a step up or die team, always have been. Let’s Step Up. If we bow out and see Bobby Ryan in a ducks jersey or Frolov in a KHL frock, give me Stemp again. I liked him enough, and the fucker got us Steen and Coli. Let him play on a line with Steen and let us see the fireworks. Throw Osh or Bergs in the middle there. Perron with Andy Mac and Boyes or Backes. Yes I like this.

by Whatablue on Jul 19, 2010 4:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm TheDuke32 Nd I approve this message.

I loved Stempniak. Even when his goals dropped, he looked like a player who was just severely snake-bitten, not untalented.

I would love to see him back on the Blues, playing on a line with McClement and Steen primarily. You may say, why pay Lee to be on a stopper line — well I’ve got news for you…that line has HUGE offensive potential with Steen and McClement’s marts and skills, combined with a solid outlet guy in Stempniak on top of it.

Gimme, gimme, gimme! And if Lee heats up, you move him up in the lines, spelling another forward on the third if they’re struggling/worn out/full of themselves/etc.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Jul 19, 2010 8:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a vague recollection of someone, probably JP Rutherford, saying that part of the reason Lee was traded...

…was because some people in the Blues questioned his mental toughness. I don’t know if they want to bring him back.

I personally would love to see General Lee manning the ice but I also am one of those sentimental St. Louisans that Gallagher was talking about. Still, I think it’s a logical fit.

by Bluesforever on Jul 19, 2010 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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