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Kovalchuk Contract Rejected


Anyone know a good joke? How about Ilya Kovalchuk's 17 year contract? Yeah, that is a pretty good one I know. But how about this one. Gary Bettman did something RIGHT?

Thats right, Gary Bettman and the National Hockey have rejected Ilya Kovalchuk's contract. TSN has more on it here.

As a fan who wanted Kovalchuk in St. Louis, I'm quite happy with this.

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Well I'll be damned

Bettman and the league actually did something right.

by I_AM_SPARTACUS on Jul 20, 2010 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd shit myself....

If hadnt already shit 30 minutes ago…..

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen

Since Gary has took over this is the first thing he has done that has me happy

Show me the CUP

by Mashman on Jul 21, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Can’t believe it. I have no speech.

Go Gators!

by FlaGators on Jul 20, 2010 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, Ilya's contract,

No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.

by Poor College Student on Jul 20, 2010 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Epic.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.

by Donut King on Jul 20, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd like Mel Gibson's career

Baltimore Blast - 6-time MISL/NISL Champions
Let's go Blues!

by UIWWildthing on Jul 21, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fuck the Hawks!

PTMFUS!

by LosBri on Jul 20, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I almost......

fell out of my chair at work when I read this post…..

My first reaction was “What the hell do the hawks have to do with…Ohh wait I see what you did there……”

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it.

Clear cap circumvention. Finally Bettman does something right.

by Randall Ritchey on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Now....

the Devils fans are whinning about Hossa, Pronger, Keith, Luongo and DiPietros deals…….

Umm its called enough is enough…..most of those deals only have a low end year or 2…not 7…..

And I think this might just be a bit of karma biting them in the ass for a certain defenceman with the initials SS and the shti they put us through…..

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Shit move

Bettman and Co. screwed the pooch. You can’t predict the future — all the other long-term deals got approved. Why make an example now? All it’s gonna do is rile people up.

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by averagejoe on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

because the difference is clear.......

most of those other long term deals have no more than 3 years at league minimum…..Kovies had 7!!!!

Its clear Cap Circumvention and it needed to be stopped…..the League was pissed at the pronger deal but the fact that it only had 2 years of league minimum they let it slide but made their displeasure of these type of deals known…then the Devils went out and “shot the pooch” and pretty much spat at the league…..And the contract was rejected as a result…..

Bottom line is yeah the league should have stopped this when it started but when a deal is made to circumvent the cap as big as this deal was…they had no choice but to finally step in and say “Enough is Enough”…….

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

And besides Joe.....

why should we care if Devils fans get upset at the league screwing them over…….

Does Scott Stevens ring a bell???

I say fuck Luo….you temp fate long enough and it will eventually bite you in the ass…..

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd like Linday Lohan after her first night in the big house...
…why should we care if Devils fans get upset at the league screwing them over…

Does Scott Stevens ring a bell???

I say fuck Lou… you temp fate long enough and it will eventually bite you in the ass…

Couldn’t have said it better myself, sir.

It’s about damn time the league grew a set and quit letting Mephistopheles Lamoriello get whatever the hell he wants.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jul 21, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

here's the thing
the League was pissed at the pronger deal but the fact that it only had 2 years of league minimum they let it slide

The league let it slide. They had a chance to do something, and they let it slide.

Look, all the long-term deals were bogus. The Hossa deal, the Pronger deal, hell even the Franzen deal. The NHL did NOTHING about them. Yes the Kovie deal was particularly egregious, but it falls in line with the others.

Why now? Why shove more bad PR on the league? The end result of this is more jokes on the NHL and more fodder for those who claim the NHL is a NASCAR-level sport.

If you’re gonna be wrong, be wrong consistently. Wait until the CBA is up, let the NHLPA know that the super happy fun time is over and tend it now. To do it now, after so many got away with it, is a fucking joke.

St. Louis Game Time Fact: Morning links are part of a well-balanced meal.

SBNSTL Writing about the Blues in more than one line is tough.

by averagejoe on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

but its not the length of the deal....

its the fact that the last 5 years are at league minimum…….

Im sure if any of those deals were closer to the equivalent of Kovies that they would have rejected them……but when you know the league doesnt like deals and theyve said they dont…then you dont run out and give out a deal the size of “Jaws”……..

the arguement is akin to the league drawing a line in the sand after Prongers deal and the Devils stepped a mile and a half over it……..

Im sure it will be reworked to move more money to the back end…which kovie may back out of the deal then…..or they cut 3 or 4 years off and take the higher cap hit and trade a vet…..

Parise anyone??? yeah I know it wont happen but I can dream…..

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is this bad PR?

I mean, how can this be any worse then the rash of “hey, look, someone else is screwing the cap” articles that popped up today?

Does recognizing a past mistake (Hossa) mean that you should just go ahead and make another one in the present? Consistency, in and of itself, should not be the goal. I’d rather that the league be occasionally right than consistently wrong.

by BleedBlue42 on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It makes the league look it doesn't know what it's doing

this whole situation shouldve been nipped after the first deal was made. waiting until deal no. 10 just makes the nhl look clueless.

i just dont see why now. why wait for one of the biggest stars and ignore all the other shitty deals. the devils were just playing within the rules. how is hossa at 42 any different than kovie at 44? yes, the last few years at league min. are shady, but the precedent was set that that was ok. two in fine, but five is not? bull shit.

St. Louis Game Time Fact: Morning links are part of a well-balanced meal.

SBNSTL Writing about the Blues in more than one line is tough.

by averagejoe on Jul 21, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Deals 1-9 made them look clueless.

Rejecting #10 gives the impression that things may change in the future.

by BleedBlue42 on Jul 21, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Do you really respect someone more because they keep screwing up in the same way consistently?

If your neighbor kept leaving his door unlocked and kept getting robbed, would you respect him more after the 9th time, when they really cleared him out, if he said “Screw this, I’m locking the door” or if he said “Well, I’ll just keep leaving it unlocked until I get that new alarm system next year.”

by BlueMonday on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shades of gray like I said.
Pick the first deal you think fits the bill of shady. The first one that you get a little whiff from.
Can you prove to an arbitrator that the participants “intended to” or “had the effect of” circumventing the cap? Intent would be very hard to prove; the effect has more wiggle room but the first one that smells funny to you and me is still probably not going to stink enough to win in arbitration.
Bring in this $100 million plus bucket of fish heads though, and at some point the stink is convincing.

by BlueMonday on Jul 21, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to draw the line somewhere

If Kovy at 44, why not Semin at 46….48….65 next year?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you’re gonna be wrong, be wrong consistently.

Two wrongs (or more) don’t make a right. It’s a bigger joke to let it continue.

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin

by Angy on Jul 21, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

how is it fair

that the blackhawks won a cup with the shady hossa deal? wait until the cba is up, and then address the issue.

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by averagejoe on Jul 21, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Blackhawks were pretty stacked without Hossa, but having him put them over the top. Do you really think the Devils are so close that having illyeah would have put them over. They had him last year, didn’t win, and getting him this year would have cost more talent. Devils should be glad this was rejected because it was fucking retarded from the word go.

by Bleedbluecp2 on Jul 21, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

The other contracts were screwy too. Everyone thought so at the time, but that doesn’t make it okay to let another one slide. You are suppose to honor the intent of the contract. I believe the wording to that is even in the contract. At some point you need to put your foot down. Say enough is enough. The others crossed the line, but this one not only crossed but climbed a mountain as well. Maybe it was just a little hill, but point is the league said enough. THIS is the line and no more.

Rather than faulting the league for finally standing up and doing something bout these contracts, we should be applauding them and encouraging them to do it more often.

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin

by Angy on Jul 21, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your argument makes sense in a black-and-white world, but this one has shades of gray.

Clearly some teams found this loophole, and some of the contracts starting inching their way over the line. Because there is some wiggle room in there, the league has a hard time cracking down harshly on it. I mean, just generally, and then actually legally because to reject a contract, then they are going to have to go and make your case to an arbitrator. Can you prove that a contract “intends to or in effect” circumvents the cap? A contract can not quite pass the sniff test but still be tough to win in arbitration.

Inevitably that is going to lead to taking that extra tiptoe across the line. The NHL “investigated” these contracts, I think signaling their disapproval, but didn’t nullify them, I think because they weren’t sure they could win.

Then you get someone who takes a big step across the line. No shame in his game. He didn’t take a slice, he grabbed the whole pie.

The NHL decide they have to act. It’s gone to far, they need to put their foot down. There might be some gray area but this person/club have pushed it way past gray and into black and white territory.

It’s like the kids in the back seat and you tell them not to touch each other. Eventually you’ll get one clever one doing the “I’m not touching you” thing. Then he’s like, what, I’m just resting my arm here. Maybe you can’t cold bust him until you really see that, even without touching, his clear intent is to drive your other child batty and hence you crazy and thus make you pull over the car right now mister.

Or to take another example, when you and I might “know” someone’s a murderer, but that’s not the same thing as taking it to court and proving beyond a reasonable doubt. But when someone pushes it a bit further, maybe they’ve tipped over from “everyone knows but we can’t prove it” into “seriously, it’s obvious” no-reasonable-doubt territory.

You might say they’ve let others go that might not have been as egregious but were still along the same lines. Why put their foot down here? The other side of that coin is that it is a slippery slope and if they don’t put their foot down at any point because they didn’t put their foot down at an earlier point, then they’ll never put their foot down. Imagine the crazy contracts that might follow.

PR? Among non-hockey fans, the problem isn’t bad PR, it’s no PR. And here it is working for the league. No one who isn’t interested in hockey is paying any attention to this. It isn’t LeBron.

To those who do follow hockey and are paying attention, it seems like the NHL grew a pair.

You say if you’re going to be wrong, be wrong consistently. I say never let being wrong, or being unable to correct a wrong in the past, keep you from doing right when you can.

by BlueMonday on Jul 21, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Shit

that got long.

Fuck Detroit to make up for it?

by BlueMonday on Jul 21, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Totally rec'd.....

like a Blues Scott Stevens Jersey……..

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

here's my problem with NHL's decision

After the first 12-year deal (I think it was Zetterberg) the league did nothing. After the second, the league did nothing. On and on, teams were signing players to deals within the limits of the CBA — something the the NHLPA and the owners both agreed upon. Now after letting everyone slide, the NHL wakes up from and decides to play tough guy. Why now?

You can say, but Joe, the contract is a joke — he won’t play until he’s 44. That may be true, but we don’t know that. He could lose his arm tomorrow and never play a game. You can’t predict the future.

But Joe, the others were bad, but this one was really bad. He’s getting a lot of year’s at the league min. So? The older you get, your skills decline. Maybe Kovie plans on playing until he’s 44 and knows his value will drop. Five years is a long time to be at the league minimum, but it’s common practice to front-load a deal in exchange for less money at the end.

I’m not trying to say the Kovie deal was great or anything, but you can’t tell me it’s so different that what the league approved for Hossa, Luongo and others?

I just feel like it’s bull shit to reject a deal that is so similar to the many that have gone through.

A lot of other teams circumvented the cap, but only the Devils get punished? Not fair. Let everyone play by the same rules. If the NHL really wanted to stop these, they could have sent out a memo on July 1st that said hey, no shitty deals. Stop the deals before they start, not after they have been signed.

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by averagejoe on Jul 21, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

My argument isn’t so much that he won’t be playing at 44, though I don’t think he will, but that if he really thought he would be and was signing a 17-year-contract with that idea in mind, why would he set it up so that he’d only be playing for the league minimum at that point? He could instead do a deal that stopped at the point that he goes to the league minimum. At that point if he’s good enough, he could get a deal and do no worse than the league minimum (and keep in mind, that’s the minimum now, not the minimum then, which will probably be higher). The only reason to structure it this way is to circumvent the cap. Circumventing the cap is against the rules.

I already gave my opinion on the other deals. I think the NHL did express some dissatisfaction at those but felt like it would be tough to go to an arbitrator. So when one comes along that they think they can get an arbitrator to see their way on, they should pass on it since they have let some others go that weren’t as bad? As I said, if that’s your argument, then it is a slippery slope. What about a deal for 20 years then? 25? 30? Silly, right? Well, if you say that, then that’s saying there is a point when the NHL should step in even now that they have allowed some. Just a matter of where that should be. I can see it being here. Even if it should have been a little earlier, it certainly shouldn’t be later, when the deal will be more extreme, and naysayers will have one more contract (Kovy’s) to say “well you didn’t say anything then.”

The other teams nudged at the cap, then nudged a bit more, then the Devils broke on through and splashed too big.

Everyone is being held to the same rule, but like I said, the world isn’t black and white, so you’ve got to interpret those rules, and get the arbiter to come down on your side. Things like the spirit of the contract, the intent of the parties, and the effect, regardless of intent matter, and all of those are huge gray areas, areas these other teams took advantage of with those contracts. Kovy and the Devils came late to the party after the host was already starting to tire of the shenanigans, and he ate all the food and drank the last beer and then puked on the rug.

You can argue about whether they should have stepped in earlier, but I don’t see how now letting this one go helps the situation, it just extends that argument again and again and again.

Putting it off until after the next CBA is not a minor thing, these contracts will be locked in at that point and if this doozie was allowed it wouldn’t be the last rammed through before the new CBA. Real damage, long-term damage, can come from looking the other way as things get worse and worse, just because they looked the other way when things weren’t so bad.

You’re like the frog in the slowly boiling water saying “Gee, it’s getting a little hot, but it’s not that much hotter than it was a minute ago, I’ll just stick it out.”

by BlueMonday on Jul 21, 2010 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Damn......

maybe you need to argue the leagues point when/if they go to court…….

youre on Blue…….

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 21, 2010 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

People tell me I should have gone to law school. Pretty much because I can argue most things, things I don’t even really care about (like this) until, well, not until I win, but until the other side gets bored and moves on with their life. And that, my friends, is pretty much lawyerin’.

by BlueMonday on Jul 21, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to imply that you haven’t, but have you looked around at the other sites to see what they are saying? Jewels from the Crown, Behind the Net, From the Rink? They all have great analysis of why Kovy’s should be rejected. Maybe that will help you see why his is so far off the mark from others.

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin

by Angy on Jul 21, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

only people that are riled up are Devil’s fans … surfing the sites, everyone else seems to be saying “bout time the league did something right” … :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin

by Angy on Jul 21, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

man over at PPP....

theyre all over this……some damn good reading….

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy. Also, fuck.

I thought this contract was close enough to Hossa’s that it would slip through. (Hossa will be 42 when his contract ends, Kovalchuk would be 44.) Kovy’s deal had more years, but he’s also younger and therefore ought to be around for more of it.

But lo and behold, the commissioner actually found some testicular fortitude. I guess the Devils aren’t the league’s favorite sons anymore.

On a completely unrelated note… has anyone started the office pool to predict the date on which Gary Bettman wakes up to find a horse’s head in his bed? Dibs on the Ides of August (that’s the 13th).

by BleedBlue42 on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Rec'd like Lamoriello's punched-through wall!

Although I can’t actually rec it on my spanking new iPhone. But it’s the thought that counts, right?

I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"

by J-Mill on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd for J-Mill

rec’d like the Dodgers were by the Cards

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Jul 21, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

King's fans

REACTION???

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow.

To say this is unexpected of The Buttman and his pals is saying it lightly.

Wow.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.

by Donut King on Jul 20, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

ha ha ! I’m seeing this everywhere now … :)

Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin

by Angy on Jul 21, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, man, sharp. So sharp.

Rec’d like my summer sleep schedule.

Thrashing the Blues
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by hildymac on Jul 21, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like a Bettman!

I guess he switched from punching Red Wings fans’ babies to Devils fans’ babies?

by Paperwork Ninja on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's go Blues!!!

by Milo. on Jul 21, 2010 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Fuck Kovalchuk.

Don’t want him here, I hope no one signs him, although someone will.

by nintendofan24 on Jul 21, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

how did buttman even spot it though?

ask you might.

well a few ways

1) the contract language specified the length was “17 years nudge-nudge wink-wink say no more!”

2) when asked where he expected his career to be in 226, kovy said “playing grandpa walton in the slovianian revival of Waltons! the musical!”

3) someone pointed out to buttman the different number of zeros in “1,000,000” and “100,000,000”.

4) not only did the contract drop during the last 7 years, the currancy changed from dollars to pesos

5) hossa called him saying wow if that passes i need to renegotiate. again"

6) lemonade lou made the mistake of showing buttman the photograph. hell that could be ANYONE’s donkey.

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Jul 21, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

With liberty

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jul 22, 2010 1:54 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd....

LIKE KOVALCHUKS NEW CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still maintain Vladimir Konstantinov got what he deserved...If you can't handle that then kiss my ass......

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."

by dablues7 on Jul 22, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just picture Buttman like the announcer from NBA Jam

REJECTED!!!

Barret Jackman is my hero.

Fueled. These new shores burn. Shadow, my sweet shadow, to you I look no more.

by BluesTiger on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

i always picture

buttman saying “we represent the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild”

but maybe that is just me

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Jul 22, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I always...

think of Buttman as “The Count” or a buttplug.

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Jul 22, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Childhood Trauma

I picture Buttman as the kid at the Carnie on his tippy toes getting measured for the Oblitcherator ride and being juuuuuuuuuust a half inch short.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Jul 22, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd like the Constitution between 2000 and 2008...

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Jul 23, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

hippy

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jul 23, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Square.

LOL

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And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.

by Donut King on Jul 23, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

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