Tuesdays With Hildy: Veteran Leadership - Is There Anyone Worth Looking At?
A phrase that seems cool to bandy about is "veteran leadership." It's said to be essential to a hockey team, especially one with a lot of youth. It tells the kids to suck it up, stop partying, and focus on their job. It gives people who have never been in a deep playoff run or who have won the Cup someone to look up to - someone to lead by example. With a team like the Blues, who seem to be bottom-heavy when it comes to youth, you need a role model for them. Halak just came off of a great playoff tear - yeah, it was his first one, but he made it two rounds farther than the Blues' kids did. Andy McDonald has a Cup. Barrett Jackman has been with the team since 1999. Eric Brewer has the mobility of a 90 year old. You get my drift.
With the retirements of Darryl Sydor and Keith Tkachuk, and the probable move of Paul Kariya back to the Ducks, the Blues are lacking in the old man department. The question is, do we need them?
No Way - Viva Los Youth (or whatever)Several of us were guilty last year of trying to figure out just why Darryl Sydor was on contract, other than because the press-box had a killer media meal. He didn't play too often, and when he did, it couldn't be said that he was a game-changer necessarily. Paul Kariya had a horribly below average year because of age and injury. Keith Tkachuk, despite the fact that he was good for 32 points, was often shuffled to the 3rd or 4th line. And, in the end, do kids like to be lectured by elderly people? No. Not in the least. If the Blues want to improve, they have to get a sniper - regardless of age - and at least one top two defenseman, again, regardless of age. It's time to look forward.
There's Something to be Said for a Mentor
Youth's swell, but God, they can be dumb. Not as in intellect, or even hockey sense - but in the sense of experience. You have to be in the league for a while before you learn the ropes - not even what you should and should not do, but nuances like tendencies of goalies, or which way a player dekes on his way to the net. As we all know, a lot of kids can't see their hand in front of their face, and need to be told what exactly's going on for them to figure it out. Who else are they going to look at on the ice? Do locker room speeches make a difference when done by someone who is 26? Will they take anyone yelling at them seriously unless that guy reminds the young player of their dad? Probably not.
Who is out there who fits the bill of grizzled veteran and non-press box chicken wing connoisseur? Let's look at CapGeek.com's UFA tracker - always fun. Anyone jump out to you? No, not Mathieu Schneider. 41's a bit too grizzled, and God, there comes a time where you just retire. Number two guy listed by age is Bill Guerin, recent Stanley Cup winner and Sidney Crosby linemate. Also someone who netted 21G and 24A last year. As far as defensemen go, there's always Willie Mitchell. We need another Splodeybones.
I kid.
Anywho, there are a few others out there - Eric Belanger, Ruslan Fedotenko, heck, even Jonathan Cheechoo if you feel like playing against the fates and seeing if he can have another outstanding year. Honestly, as far as the vets go, those are the best picks. Nothing amazing to be sure, but some guidance and experience can be squeezed from all of them. Guerin's obviously the cream of the crop, and would give some fans a chance to actually wear that jersey again if they bought one.
Anywho, would you guys want a new resident old fart on the team? And, if so, who would it be?
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I’d go for Belanger
Hockey players wear numbers because you can't always identify the body with dental records.
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Replace one toothless wonder for another?
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Backes, aMac, Boyes, Jackman, Steen, ....................................Stratchard (I kid)
We have plenty of leadership on the roster as is. Many of these leaders need breakout years as well. I don’t expect a lack of leadership this year.
Just out of curiosity, how many veteran leaders did we have on the team when “Soupy” became “Sloshy”?
by Bleedbluecp2 on Aug 10, 2010 12:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
What I mean is, I think we were really heavy with veterans at the time and not one of them, or all combined, could convince a promising rookie to put down the drinks.
by Bleedbluecp2 on Aug 10, 2010 12:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no
but benching his butt until he sobers up might be a little more convincing (well maybe not sober, but becomes responsible, in order that he can perform the task he is being paid for)
Im confused
Who are we talking about?
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Unless there's an older player you want to pin an "A" or "C" on...
… the phrase “veteran leadership” is just a catchphrase for “cheap old-timer”. I don’t see anyone out there who would provide enough on-ice productivity to justify bumping one of the kids, and management already filled out the other spots with Winchester and D’Agostini.
I think there’s plenty of potential leadership on this team. The kids haven’t had the chance to lead yet – they’ve been overshadowed by an abundance of older players whose leadership was much better talked than walked. But that era is (almost) over, and there’s room now for the younger players to prove their leadership abilities.
why not take a chance on Cheechoo
maybe the guy just needs a change of scenery, or a pat on the back and a little “hey buddy, you’re good. you just have to remember how good you are. yeah buddy. uh huh. yeahhhh.” i honestly wonder how cheap you could get him? and of course, there’s always waivers and peoria if say, a one year deal doesn’t pan out.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky was in a production of The King and I? Well anyway, before the show, Brasky chloroforms the entire cast, and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty good reviews.
Who ya gonna bench?
Given that the front office already made the conscious decision this summer to resign non-scorers like Janssen and Winchester, can you now banish their salaries to the press box just to take a chance on a reclamation project?
Or, having told the half-dozen soon-to-be-RFAs that it’s time for them to prove themselves, do you send them upstairs where they can prove nothing to nobody?
If you’re gonna sign Cheech, you might as well lob a one-year deal at Kariya, throw ’em both out there with Boyes, and let the Enigma Line roll its way to 120 goals and 250 assists – or 25 and 40, nobody knows which.
valid point
it was more of just a general idea, and i still don’t get the winchester signing. just an idea, but yeah you pose a good point. i just feel like if we have a chance at cheaply acquiring the Cheech of old, i’d happily send Winnie up to Ptown. or D’Ags. jussayin.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky was in a production of The King and I? Well anyway, before the show, Brasky chloroforms the entire cast, and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty good reviews.
Unfortunately for "the Cheech of old"...
… he appears to have gone the way of the stand-up goaltender.
30 teams have the opportunity to take on this reclamation project, and 30 teams are passing. That’s a pretty damning meta-statement, methinks.
i suppose i have no choice but to agree
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Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky was in a production of The King and I? Well anyway, before the show, Brasky chloroforms the entire cast, and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty good reviews.
The Cheech of old?
Is that the one that comes when we buy a ~100 assist/season Thornton?
Pass on Cheech. Pass real hard.
Is this what you mean by the Cheech of old?

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That's the Cheech of Too Old.
Besides, man, he kept trying to eat the hockey puck, mistaking it for a Hostess Ding-Dong. He was great at steals… from his own team because in his words they were “bogarting the Ding-Dong” and “not sharing.” And then his last presser when he kept telling them that he was Dave when Dave clearly wasn’t there… yeah, it was time for him to go.
by Paperwork Ninja on Aug 11, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
None of these folks intrigue me. Maybe Guerin. Possibly Belanger. Fedotenko? Meh.
But what do I know? I’m some jackhole lifelong fan who would sign a Goddamned unicorn to the team if I thought it would at least help team morale.
Only to watch Backes ruthlessly stab said unicorn.
“A unicorn once kicked David Backes. That is why they no longer exist.”
St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.
How about a Goddamned Unicorn Riding a Motherfucking Shark?
I know a guy who knows some guys who can make that happen.
by Paperwork Ninja on Aug 11, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
What about sharks with freakin’ laser beams attached to their head?
PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?
Nah, the sharks don’t need lasers. They’re Motherfucking Sharks. It even says so on their shark wallets.
by Paperwork Ninja on Aug 11, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Uhhhhh
St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.
Oh, I know about that.
But in this case, the sharks don’t need them.
by Paperwork Ninja on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
While we're talking about things that won't happen
Why not put a low ball offer out there for Kariya. Its not like the GM’s are beating down his door
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon
he'll be a duck
possibly by tomorrow i’ve heard
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky was in a production of The King and I? Well anyway, before the show, Brasky chloroforms the entire cast, and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty good reviews.

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