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Our two overlords, Sean and Brad, aren't all agog over preseason hockey, thinking it's a waste of time. I'm just excited to be going to a game tomorrow - even if it will be 93 degrees as a high down here.

Yes, Preseason Games Are Useful

Basically this boils down to one major thing: how in the world are teams supposed to judge the ability of the rookies/try-outs to play against other teams' strategies and professionals if not for preseason games?  Going up against someone on your own team during practice can be good training, but you can probably figure out what they're thinking of doing, or how their "team" plays the scrimmage.  You're running your own system back against yourself, or running one of your systems versus another to see which one plays better.  Useful?  Very much so. 

However, it's different when the guys across from you in the face off circle aren't just wearing different color jerseys than you - they're wearing different crests.  You don't know what to expect.  You have to adjust on the fly.  Sometimes young goalies get to go up against world class talent (usually on teams who are playing home preseason games and they want to give their fans something to see), and they get totally creamed.  It's a learning experience.  It also gives the coaches a chance to see who needs to develop more.  Where do you want to learn this - during a preseason game, or during one of the first games of the season?

All this aside, this is the first hockey we've gotten a chance to see in a very long time.  I would take midgets sliding around the ice with newspaper on their shoes by this point.  I don't care if we decide to ice the whole Rivermen squad one night.  It's hockey.

 

No, There Are Too Many Risks Involved

Talk to Kyle Okposo about this one.  Thanks to Dion Phaneuf's open ice hit on him last pre-season that was legal (but probably very unnecessary for a preseason game against two teams who never see each other) he wound up in the hospital with a nasty concussion.  Okposo's one of the Islanders' star players, and he wasn't out there for opening night. These aren't little guys on their teams - big players got hurt last preseason.  Can teams risk this every year in the name of seeing who makes the team?  Why, then, are the big name players being trotted out in front of home crowds that are way under capacity usually?  Aren't most of the slots assumed to be status quo from last season as long as the players in that position are still around?  Sometimes pre-season is about tweaking lines, but that can be done on the fly during a game.  Coaches and GMs can't risk losing their big guys for the start of the season - if you fall behind there, it's very difficult to make up that lost ground.

Poll
Are pre-season games a waste of time?
No - evaluation of players and systems take place that need to, and it's been a long time since I've paid $9 for a beer.
80 votes
Yes - there are risks involved to the players that probably don't need to happen. Evaluate them in camp.
20 votes
No - injuries happen in camp as often as they do in the games. If getting hurt's the problem, why play the game?
66 votes

166 votes | Poll has closed

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Bring on the midgets!!

It’s pro hockey dammit.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Sep 21, 2010 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Lineups for tonight's game....Halak gets start; Allen to relieve him half way through....

Per JR on STLToday.com:

Forwards

T.J. Oshie-Patrik Berglund-Matt D’Agostini

Nick Draenovic-Andy McDonald-David Spina

Brett Sonne-T.J. Hensick-Anthony Peluso

Brad Winchester-Dave Scatchard-Ryan Reaves

Defense

Barret Jackman-Alex Pietrangelo

Brett Ponich-Erik Johnson

Dean Arsene-Nathan Oystrick

by hockeyno93 on Sep 21, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

shit

meeeeee too

"If they don't score, we can't lose." - Gene Briggs

by ilikeboyes on Sep 21, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

DOUBT ! ! !

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Sep 21, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

excited to see.....

Halak…of course…..Berlund, TJ Hensick, Petro, and Ponich

by hockeyno93 on Sep 21, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have fun with it, guys.

I’m trying not to die from what ungodly virus crawled into my lungs and is seeking to kill the fuck out of me, so I’m going to miss tonight’s game unless it’s on the radio.

by Paperwork Ninja on Sep 21, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

TJ Oshie's pregame interview..

he repeatedly brought the conversation back to getting to hit people and hitting them hard, which makes me look back at the line-up and think.. well, I guess you have to break the new boards in somehow, right?

by russkidan on Sep 21, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

What time is the game? will it be online?

"I wanna be an achiever like Bad Horse.... I meant Ghandi" ~ Dr. Horrible

by Carnie on Sep 21, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

on the no side

i suspect they do help players slowly get into game shape but they are not the only way to be ready fro the real game 1

I can’t find hard data so i’m going soft

data

it is the nfl and someone looked at if there was ANY coorelation between preseason wins and regualr season success. turns out. meh.

MEH i say. over all a very slight positive correlation but there were some season it was NEGATIVE. and also the teams that seemed to do best were the teams that played .500 in the preseason, not those who went without a loss.

so lets make the following assumptins

a) the NHL correlation is similar to other sports

and

b) if a team played zero preseason games it could still make a reasonable choice on the merits of Dave Scatchard vs Ryan Reaves

seems the conclusion is to simply not run a preseason

if the blues make enough to cover operating costs tonight though. hold up a sec. preseason makes perfect sense. Benjaminningly speaking…

A strong anvil fears no hammer

by Childhood Trauma on Sep 21, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I just have a pre-disposition for anything "pre-season".

So of course I’m gonna vote “no”.

I’m sure there’s a use, but unless the damn things count for something, I’ll be in the corner with the bottle of Jack and a match. Why a match? Not really sure.

St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.

by Donut King on Sep 21, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I like

seeing the prospects play with a few of the big boy(e)s.
When are we likely to see most of them anytime soon.

Preseason can be a glimpse at future Blues players next year or after.
(or never, sighh).

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

by DanGNR on Sep 21, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: Prospects
When are we likely to see most of them anytime soon?

A scheisse-load of them are going to be rookies in P-Town this year. This is likely going to be the biggest-ever influx of drafted kids into the pro system in one season for the Blues.

Allen, Cole, Cundari, Nigro, Shattock, McRae, Nikitin, Della Rovere, possibly MacNeil and DeSouza…

That’s as many as ten first-year pros potentially skating in Peoria this season, or half the lineup.

B.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

http://futurenotes.blogspot.com

by Tomorrows Blues on Sep 21, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am at STV

In my seat…no beer (gotta go to work afterwards)…fake or not…the boys of winter are back

My new seats are fantastic

by I_AM_SPARTACUS on Sep 21, 2010 6:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

If there is no broadcast then it is not real...

and I can’t find a broadcast.

'I would not be bothered if we lost every game as long as we won the league.'
MARK VIDUKA

by Jstats on Sep 21, 2010 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Blues finally removed the 950AM link

Sucks, though. Really wish there was a radio stream.

by russkidan on Sep 21, 2010 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not the injury risk that gets me

Shit happens (Okposo was in the lineup opening night even after Phrankeneuf’s reckless jumping hit, by the way). It’s that preseason is just plain boring as hell. You get a few moments of joy because you’ve been without hockey all summer and your grasping at little glances of players you want to see. Otherwise it’s just awful, awful, awful, from the half-closed concession stands to the awful atmosphere to the squirt-scrimmage play. It’s great to see ice again, but the make-believe time cannot end soon enough.

Lighthouse Hockey: Trying to reconstitute the Hogue-Turgeon-Thomas line from NHL 94.

by Dominik on Sep 21, 2010 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

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