Thursday links: A win in Minn. doesn't mean a thing in the preseason edition
by averagejoe on Sep 23, 2010 5:00 AM CDT
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PrintBlues are now 1-1 in the fake season. Come on, Oct. 9. Get here sooner.
Blues news
- The Blues beat the Wilds 5-1. Side note: Hashtags in a headline? Now I've seen everything. [Star Tribune]
- Cam Janssen claims he will be the Blues enforcer this season. Thank god it's not going to be Brad Winchester in charge of fighting. [BND]
- I'm almost positive JR read my SBNSTL column. Today his story is about the finally healthy Eric Brewer. Included in the article is a shot at bloggers (us) from Barret Jackman. [St. Louis Post-Dispatch]
- JR will answer questions today at 1 p.m. [JR Live]
- Jeff Gordan watches one preseason game and declare the Blues not fixed. [St. Louis Post-Dispatch]
Hockey news
- A look at stats shows that the top-20 scorers are likely to go down. [Behind The Net]
- Things learned at Flyers' camp: Chris Pronger is an ass, Bill Guerin is popular and Jody Shelley doesn't play the harp. [Broad Street Hockey]
- Calgary oil mogul Bill Gallacher won't be the new Stars owner. [ESPN]
- I wasn't aware preseason game counted against teams sellout streaks. Shame. [TSN]
- Marc Savard may be out for the year. Then again, he may play. [TSN]
- Caps goalie Michal Neuvirth just got paid. [TSN]
- HBO is going to go behind the scenes for the Winter Classic. Pretty cool. I bet we don't hear Sidney Crosby swear. [Puck Daddy]
Other links
- From Tom: St. Louis gets some love for having cheap hockey tickets ... and cheap cigarettes. [MSNBC]
- A listen, with audio, of the 100 worst songs of all time. [AOL Radio Blog]
- Ten videos from the great Danny McBride. If you haven't seen the "Foot Fist Way," do it. [Unreality]
- The library has some awful, awful books. [Awful Library Books]
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That's it from me. I'll be back tomorrow.
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Hey Barrett....
I don’t live in my mom’s basement….and Brewer still sucks…and ::whisper whisper::…you kind of do too.
its sad
“I don’t care what five or 10 people do sitting in their mom’s basement, or blogging about who does what, they’ve never been in this room and they’ll never know how much Brew means to this team.”
cos i wonder if he will care what the 5 or 10 people who will still show up to the game think if he an brew don’t step it up?
most importantly, however, is that this is very bizarre, dontcha think? everyone whines about the c and the a’s then people try to calm the whiners down with the fact that the c&a mean NOTHING. yet here is barrett (i haven’t been able to play hockey since they got rid of the trap and tried to make me skate) jackman going on the record as saying the C does actually mean things. in the room. to players. and they damn well know it. even if mother’s basement is full of ignorance.
siiigh. i wonder if the blues miss the playoff again if I and my 2k a year will care what 5 or 10 people hanging out at brew’s locker think about his value to the team? prob not i already don’t care what davidson and payne think about brewer.
ya wanna bury this debate brew and jacks? do you? give us the al davian “just win baby” results and then no one anywhere will give a damn. not even me. hell i hang a brewer poster up somewhere. JUST FUCKIN WIN
A strong anvil fears no hammer
by Childhood Trauma on Sep 23, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
So I wonder
What would the season have to look like for people at the end to say “You know, I was wrong about Brewer.” Not that I’m saying everyone is, I just wonder where that line is at this point, because a lot of the debate seems to have lost connection to reality. I don’t think he’s the greatest defenseman in the world but some of the ire directed at him seems a bit … unhinged.
It’s to the point I’m almost rooting for the guy just because people are getting kind of nasty to him.
I think he’s a decent defenseman that isn’t worth his salary even when he’s healthy and has been hurt, but I still think he’s far from “the worst defenseman in the NHL” as he was called in the StlToday comments.
So where’s the line? What does he have to do to not be the punching bag? And then is that line realistic?
(And personally I think despite the stats thrown around it has more to do with a few key boneheaded moves rather than the numbers at the end of the season, but those seem to get thrown around too, so I’m curious).
He’s overpaid, he’s not Chris Pronger, he’s not top-tier but makes top-tier money, he’s add the further attention of the C debate on him, but forgetting all of that, what is a realistic ceiling for him? And even if he hits that, is it ever possible for him to live down that first string of facts?
I was surprised at the scrimmage on Sunday when he had an assist to not hear any booing and even decent, almost grudging, not-terribly-enthusiastic-but-still-audible applause.
if you are asking me
1) for me this is more about the c’s and a’s than the jack’s and brew’s skill. and it is MOST about a player calling fans out in the press. ANY FAN. ANY SUBSET OF FANS. it just is bad. very very bad. and to do so in the defense of brewer does not help the brewer cause, does it?
2) i don’t like brewer (for the record) and i had, up untill today, officially “tried to like” jacks. that was often my literal answer when asked what i thought about him. i TRY to like him. even so I am well aware of the vocal fans treatment of both brewer and jacks. I have never booed either and don’t intend to start booing specific wearers of the note. (bitch about them, yea, boo them at the game. no) I had been forced last season to boo the entire team after especially horrendous periods and games. That booing became an acceptable requirement of being a blues fan tells you just how bad some things were. i certainly didnt boo during the kitchen sink/empty lower bowl days, i DID last season.
3) the criteria is this and this alone: JUST WIN BABY. win and the stats look better. win and no one cares about a bad play, win and your 20 minutes of ice time a game had to have occomplished something by default. Just bloody win. while I am a natural pessimist and didnt believe as much of last year’s hype as others, i DO believe the TEAM believed it. and if the team expected to end in 6th place, something was wrong with the team. How does one figure out what? start with leadership? start with expectations? start net-out? brewer is in the crosshairs and rightly so no matter what you look at . Additionally the 17 million-dollar man should WANT to be in the fan’s crosshair, then when he wins, he gets to be the first to hoist the cup and get hung from the rafters, doesn’t he? fear the spotlight. then fear the c. they go together, not per the nhl rule book, but per tradition, and brewer is anything BUT a traditional blues captain.
A strong anvil fears no hammer
by Childhood Trauma on Sep 23, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s easy to say “just win” but win how much?
But he can do his part to win and the rest of the team doesn’t follow suit.
Or the rest of the team can win the games and he can be terrible, that’s not going to gain any respect.
What I’m getting at is what specifically does his season need to look like for him to not be the whipping boy? I wonder where the line is that would end the treatment he gets (whether people think it is deserved or undeserved at this point) and then once we’ve established that, we can see if that is even a reasonable level of performance or if the answer really is that there is nothing Brewer can do at this point, he can make it worse or make it less bad, but he can’t really end it.
Hey guys...
…Mom just called and said to keep it down. She trying to watch her stories.
by Rich of GASL on Sep 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
If this is sarcasm intending to imply we are having some fiery argument over something inconsequential, well, I’m not fired up and I don’t really think CT is and I’m not sure we’re disagreeing terribly much.
I just kind of got to thinking, even if Brewer had the season of his career, would it be enough at this point? Has opinion sunk so low that he can’t recover? I think some of the ire is deserved and some is not, and I’m curious what the breakdown is, and how a decent or good season on his part would actual effect that.
But tell your mom I’m sorry and I’ll make it up to her later. ;)
As much as others say that it would be...
it won’t.
As I stated below, he is a #4 d-man getting paid like a #1. Fans will never forget that unfortunately, and Brewer will be let go at the end of his contract.
He isn’t, however, one of the worst d-men in the game. If he was getting paid 1.5 mil. a season, I don’t think many people who have much problem with him.
It is just the accumulation of everything. Most teams C’s and top dollar players are stars. He is not. That is where a lot of the animosity comes from in my opinion.
Its weird... half the year my blood is red... but then the other half... it's blue... hm...
I tend to agree.
I think some of it comes from the Pronger trade, a lot of it comes from his pay vs. reality, and some of it is just irrational anger about the entire team focusing on one player.
And yeah, I don’t see anyway he would be re-signed here.
if i beleived
blues fans wouldnt eventually reward good play to the degree they immediately punish failure i’d become a wings fan.
however if it IS as bad as you and bluemonday are hinting at, that nothing will solve the problem. no string of great play, no amount of wins, then brewer has one ultimate act of captaincy left open to him. resignation.
i’ve seen mckee play well for 4 weeks when brewer was injured and the team backed iteslf into the playoffs. and let me tell ya mckee wasnt a fan favorite either but i know he played better and so did everyone else. brewer will be the same. play well. blues win like they should. brewer cheered. have faith :)
A strong anvil fears no hammer
by Childhood Trauma on Sep 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
So if the anger on the part of some fans, some of it irrational and out of line with the actual situation, can’t be satisfied no matter how good his play, then he should resign the captaincy?
Why should that come into it?
When did the captaincy become a democratic decision decided by the fans?
Again, I don’t think Brewer’s God’s gift to the blue line, I feel like just because I think things are a little over the top I’ve become the Brewer defender, but I’m just not sure why we think we should have a vote in who is captain, and why our perceptions should matter especially if we admit that no matter how good he plays we won’t let up on him.
not some fans
some fans favorite blues player ever is probally tyson nash. MOST fans, or a distractingly large amount of fans. or the median fan.
if the c being on his chest is a distraction to ANY degree that has no solution, then the solution is to put the c elsewhere is my only point. and if there is a distraction to eric’s game or the team and eric is the presence int he room jack’s says he is, eric will rip the c off his own chest.
don’t forget pronger and corson ripped their c’s off (though for vastly different reasons) and pronger’s reason was IT WAS A DISTRACTION
however i do not believe a significant enough number of blues fans will not reward good solid play, even from brewer. it just might take an higher amount of consistancy with eric b than it would with eric j.
A strong anvil fears no hammer
by Childhood Trauma on Sep 23, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
uh no
…simply riffing on Jackman’s comment.
by Rich of GASL on Sep 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd like the Titanic (item 2)
item 2. Only once before last year had I ever boo’ed the Blues (after the horrendous loss on the first Brett Hull tribute night), but I boo’ed them off the ice a couple times last year.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. But that's the way to bet. - Damon Runyon
What would silence the critics?
Check the team’s wins and aggregate losses when Captain Flatline (as captain) is on the ice. Look at his own personal plus-minus in that timeframe.
The Blues and Brewer would have to have a pretty fantastic season to get those numbers above .500 and 0; but if that happened, I think you’d hear a lot of the doubters shut up.
by BleedBlue42 on Sep 23, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
We should...
…send that Panda to Detroit!
Also… hash tag in a headline. Weird. I wonder if this will be a new thing.
- a Tale from my Creased Mind
They'd end up putting the cheese on Little Caesar's.
After which the panda would implode Joe Louis Arena.
St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.
Joe....props for spelling Jeff Gordon's name wrong rather you intended to or not
Mr. “hockey guy” as he refers to himself is a joke. I know it’s not FU Friday quite yet, but he deserves an early mention for the bullshit he spews out on a daily basis. I’m kind of in an FU kind of mood today, and I don’t really know why. I have a short leash today. Be aware.
I take positives from this...
The past couple of years, there hasn’t seemed to be a lot of team unity.
Some may not like LaRussa, but he does get his teams to play together most years.
I enjoy teammates standing up for teammates. Especially when that teammate has been bashed for so many years. One of those, ‘something has to give’ situations.
Why be angry at Jackman because he stood up for a teammate? He was probably asked what he thought about the crap that bloggers give him on a day to day basis.
I like the comment, personally, and hope it leads to better team unity.
In Brewer’s case, it won’t be ‘win and all will be forgiven’. Because he will still be a #4 d-man being paid like a #1 and no one will forget that. But he is far from the worst d-man in the game.
Its weird... half the year my blood is red... but then the other half... it's blue... hm...
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But according to NHL.com, Mandi Schwartz finally had the stem cell transplant she needed today. It still is over a year till she could expect to be fully healed, not including complications, so keep your fingers crossed.
You don’t have to keep them crossed for a full year, but, you know, at least for a good deal. Kidding aside, keep her in your thoughts.
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