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Tuesdays With Hildy: 6th And 7th Defenseman - Who Makes The Cut?

Roster cuts have come out, and the team's down to ten defenseman competing for seven spots. When you look at the guys who are left, it boils down to more like five guys battling for two positions. I think we can safely assume that Eric Brewer, Erik Johnson, Roman Polak, Carlo Colaiacovo, and Barret Jackman will all be starting the season with the team unless something happens and one of them gets hurt during a pre-season game.

In all actuality, the competition boils down to Alex Pietrangelo, Ian Cole, Nikita Nikitin, Nathan Oystrick, and Tyson Strachan.  One of them is a top draft pick, three of them are prospects - one highly touted - and one is a journeyman who has been bumped back and forth between the NHL and AHL level of hockey.  Three of these guys are going to be disappointed.

The expectations for the lower two defenseman pairings might not be that high, unless you consider that the Blues don't have a true defensive line-up based on ability.  We currently have five NHL caliber defensemen who are paired based on chemistry and, if need be, performance in previous games.  None of the three pairings are expected to perform to a level any less than the other two.  This means that not only are there expectations of competency for the 6th defenseman, the 7th man doesn't need to be a brick on skates.  He should be a viable and productive member of the blueline.

I'm not going to argue in favor of any particular one, but after the jump, I'll be looking at the pros and cons of each one - you guys make the call.  If you were coach, which one is most deserving of a roster spot?

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Alex Pietrangelo

The fourth overall pick of the 2008 draft was expected to be an impact player, though not as quickly as the two defenseman taken in front of him - Drew Doughty and Zach Bogosian. Doughty and Bogosian were both noticeably bigger than Pieterangelo at the draft even, and both of them continue to outpace Petro in size and strength.  Given a taste of NHL life at the starts of both the 2008 and 2009 seasons, Pietrangelo was sent down to juniors and finished last season with the Peoria Rivermen. He's more than able to score, as he showed in 2007-2008 with his 53 points in 60 GP with the Niagara Ice Dogs. He's just not been big enough to crack the roster.

That has changed this off-season, with Petro apparently hitting puberty late and reaching 203 lbs at 6'3".  That still puts him at a lower weight to height ratio than Doughty and Bogosian (6'0", 212 lbs and 6'3, 215 lbs, repectively) , but it's also much better than it has been in the past. He's by no means considered small by NHL standards, and many think that with his increased size the 6th defenseman position is his to lose.

 

Ian Cole

Cole is the other Golden Child of the Blues' defensive prospects. At 6'1" and 211 lbs, he's bulkier than Petro. He's good for slightly more than a point every other game based on his NCAA stats, and the Blues' 2007 first rounder (18th overall) has a solid point shot which could be helpful in motivating the powerplay unit to score. His size also keeps him from getting knocked around easily, which means that boardwork and the corners aren't a problem for him.  He also can run over people if needed, which as we all know is what makes a fan favorite in STL.

 

Nikita Nikitin

The Blues' fifth round pick of the 2004 draft has taken longer than Cole and Petro to mature, though he has chosen to play in Russia for the past few seasons to hone his skills. The five seasons with Avangard Omsk have done him well, seeing him put up a respectable number of assists as well as a fairly decent +/- rating.  The physical defenseman would be more of a Polak-esque mold of defenseman - not expected to score though he can; more expected to be big, physical, and rough when needed. Come to think of it, he and Polak'd make a pretty ok third pairing. He's not used to the long season and the style of the North American game, so hopping directly into the NHL might be challenging for him on the ice.

 

Tyson Strachan

A fifth round pick of the Carolina Hurricanes in the 2003 entry draft, Strachan has played 38 games with the Blues split over the 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons. He's familiar with the defensemen that he'd hypothetically be joining, and he's also been beaten up by Colton Orr, so that's a plus. His experience is an asset, though you have to question why his development's taken so long.

 

Nathan Oystrick

The oldest of the five, Oystrick was drafted by the Atlanta Thrashers in the 7th round (198th overall) of the 2003 draft.  He's been a servicable call up and 7th defenseman, getting called up in 2008 and playing 53 games that season. Unfortunately for Oystrick, that's been the only time he's been in the NHL long-term, spending almost all season with the Chicago Wolves last season before getting traded to the Ducks to play only three games. Questions arise over his motivation level - he's got skills and he has the ability to be an NHL defenseman - so why hasn't he stayed in the NHL?

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Which of the remaining defensemen should be first in line to get a roster spot?
Alex Pieterangelo
250 votes
Nathan Oystrick
2 votes
Nikita Nikitin
20 votes
Tyson Strachan
21 votes
Ian Cole
36 votes

329 votes | Poll has closed

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Got to go for Petro

even though I’d be ALMOST as excited to see Ian cole.

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by drfrankentweed on Sep 28, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

The sixth should probably be Petro

But I wouldn’t hate Cole or the guy who can’t speak English (Nikitin).

The seventh spot has to be Strachan or Oystrick. Cole, Petro and Nikitin HAVE to play every day — be it in the NHL or AHL. Strachan and Oystrick are limited and need to fill the Mike Weaver/Sydor role.

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by averagejoe on Sep 28, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Petro

As much as we’ve heard about him, and seen of him, it has to be Petro. We need an offensive D-Man and in years to come seeing him and EJ on the point on our powerplay is going to make teams shake in their skates. I say Petro gets the 6th spot, and Strachan gets 7th, although Strachan could certainly lose that spot to Cole and I’d be just fine with it.

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by BluesTiger on Sep 28, 2010 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Petro gets the sixth

and I think Strachan is going to get the seventh, at least to start the season, if he starts to bomb out they might swap things around.

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by Maverides on Sep 28, 2010 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Petro and Strachan 7th....

i agree with Joe in that Cole, Petro, and Nikitin HAVE to play everyday….Strachan can be a perfect Sydor/Weaver roll this season.

As Brewer (next season) and Jackman (2 years from now) have their contracts end, it will open the door for Cole, Nikitin, more prospects to fill their shoes. Until then, those guys need to stay in Peoria and log 25 minutes a game.

by hockeyno93 on Sep 28, 2010 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you're right: chemistry will overrule pure talent in the final decision.

The question is, which of these guys can play with the Established Five, and what do they bring to the table?

The basic philosophy is to pair a solid stay-at-home defenseman with one who has a little more offensive skill. Jackman, Brewer, and Polak are all stay-at-home types, with Colaiacovo doing a little of both and EJ learning how to be an offensive d-man.

Since the Established Five are so heavily weighted towards stay-at-home, I think Pietrangelo is pretty much a lock for one of the two remaining spots. He may struggle and end up spending some time in Peoria, but I think he’ll start the season in St. Louis.

Initial pairings would then be Polak/Jackman/Brewer paired up with Colaiacovo/Johnson/Pietrangelo. Pick one from the older stay-at-home column, add one from the younger offense-capable column, repeat three times, and hopefully garnish with some Ws.

That brings up the seventh slot. This is going to be a guy who needs to be able to handle either basic role, as he’ll primarily be an injury fill-in or a replacement for a guy who needs a game in the press box to get his head together.

I don’t think we’ll see Cole in that spot; the front office won’t want a guy in his first pro season spending 40+ games upstairs. In my mind, Cole is Pietrangelo’s designated replacement; if Petro needs some time in the “A”, Cole will get called up. I’ll be surprised if they’re both on the roster at the same time.

That leaves Oystrick, Strachan, and Nikitin; a marginal NHLer and a couple mid-grade prospects. Part of the question depends on how much is expected of Strachan and Nikitin; do they have enough potential to warrant playing full-time in Peoria? Or have they already met their level and don’t need maximum ice time? Should the seventh slot goes to a prospect who will push the top six, or should it go to a guy who is no threat to crack the starting roster?

This summer, I thought the slot would be Strachan’s to lose; and he may well hold onto it. Or the brass may want to throw in Oystrick as an “emergency” replacement, with the Peoria Express running full speed to cycle prospects in and out of the starting lineup.

Ahhfuggit. Strachan in the #7 slot, Oystrick to Peoria to help Scatchard provide “veteran leadership”, and Nikitin playing pissed-off hockey in Peoria until the first Brewer injury of the season forces his NHL debut.

by BleedBlue42 on Sep 28, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Did someone say "injury fill-in"?

Looks like Colaiacovo is going to be out at least a week, putting his season-opening availability at risk.

It’s possible that three of the five poll subjects will start the season in St. Louis.

by BleedBlue42 on Sep 28, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

the petr

here is the deal. he should be LAST in line for the 7th job, and perhaps first in line for the 6th. as the top prospect in the organ-i-zation, and one of the best in the nhl, he needs 25 minutes a night.

so if payne loves the strachan for the 6th slot (slightly more experience for one thing) send petr down.

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by Childhood Trauma on Sep 28, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Just to clarify..

It was Cole who finished the year in Peoria…not Petro.

To answer the question though, I want Petro as the #6 and Strachan as #7 at least at the start.

by forgetyerskatesdream on Sep 28, 2010 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I see Cole being the #6 Dman

though media is still making it sound as if it belongs to Petro.
Cole has had a much better camp. . .

I actually think we will see Cole and Petro and Strachan make the team strait off (at least for a week) since Cola is still questionable to play. . . not expected to skate this week

and the same can be said for Scatchard, Porter, or SDR . . . whoever stays will probably only be here for a couple of weeks until Sobotka is ready to join the team on the ice

by breibird on Sep 28, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

SDR's already been sent down...

It’s Scatchard or Porter or Nick Drazenovic until Sobotka comes back.

I like Porter, but my money’s on Drazenovic. It’s his time.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Sep 29, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Petro.

You don’t draft a guy #4 overall, see him become considered by many scouting organizations (AKA people who know a fuckload better than any of us) as the number one prospect in the world, bring him to camp and not put some kind of trust into the kid with a roster spot, unless you REALLY have a problem with the kid. And I’m not seeing anything of the sort here.

No disrespect to Oystrick, Nikitin, Strachan or Cole . . . but you HAVE to guarantee him a roster spot and let the others battle it out amongst themselves. It’s pretty simple.

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by Donut King on Sep 28, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

if so you

have to promise him the 6th slot or higher, again giving him the 7th slot is not doing anyone any favors.

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by Childhood Trauma on Sep 28, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they do it any other way . . .

they’re doing it wrong. Not that I would assume anything with this group, but shit . . . almost HAVE to.

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by Donut King on Sep 28, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel the same way about Petro

you can’t keep demoting a guy and expect him to develop. Give him ice time with the club, or cut him loose, but don’t go back and forth with him. Besides, THN ranked him as the #1 North American prospect in the offseason – he’s got wicked upside.

by bluenotenation on Sep 28, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Voted for Petro.

He’s growing and has a good bit of skills. Cole’s got much the same, but it seems like you said, Hildy: they’re looking for chemistry. Pietro’s got it.

by Paperwork Ninja on Sep 28, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm betting it's Cole

and Petro is sent down for “seasoning.” My hope is he tears it up and forces them to bring him up by Dec. 31. Maybe sanity will prevail and Cap’n Robot goes to Peoria ala Wade Redden. Nah.

by 1sport on Sep 28, 2010 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Ms. Hildy, you've done this to me before...

…and kiped a planned Prospect Sunday topic for a midweek poll.

I guess I’m going to have to start circulating my thoughts on Prospect Sunday topics to all of you guys beforehand, so no one steals my thunder again. :-D

But I’m STILL gonna write about Cole, Nikitin and Petro on Sunday.
 
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by Tomorrows Blues on Sep 29, 2010 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry!

This was the only thing that I could think of to write about. :(

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by hildymac on Sep 29, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wild-A Guess...

Petro and Strachan… with Oystrick as Carlo’s stand-in; I think the Blues want Cole, Petro, and Nikitin to all play regularly, whether with the Blues or with Peoria.

FWIW, Cole, Nikitin and Oystrick all shoot left (as does Carlo); Petro and Strachan both shoot right, as does EJ.

Do you see Davis “breaking up” Jackman/Polak? Or will they continue to be the “shutdown” pair against the opponent’s #1 line?

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by The Ol Goaler on Sep 29, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

EJ and the Bear...

… sounds like a good combo. Eeej has enough speed to play up a little without stranding Jacks.

Plus, that would allow Polak to mentor/protect Petro.

by BleedBlue42 on Sep 29, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

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