Someone is gonna get traded
The St. Louis Blues, as currently configured, are built to win. Not win it all, mind you, unless a whole bunch of breaks were to fall their way (fingers crossed, y'all). But to win, nonetheless. The Blues are expected to win more games then they lose, They are built to make the playoffs. They are built to win the first round of the playoffs and to compete hard in the second round of the playoffs. Catch a lucky bounce or two, get a hot goalie or a streaky scorer or two and maybe, just maybe, something good could happen beyond that (Stanley Cup, y'all!).
And yes, I picture some drunk chick in a cowboy hat who is not from the South every time I type the phrase "y'all." It's part of the appeal for me.
Call this a gut feeling or call it sensationalism, whatever. But I'm certain of this: these Blues, constructed to win and on a modest positive streak under a new coach, are probably not built to win. There's just something wrong with the pieces in place. I am a fan - I like these guys. I hope these players all become a group that is better than the individual pieces. I don't want to see anyone leave. I don't want to see any fans stuck wearing the jersey of of traded player because, got-damn, those jerseys are expensive and I'm wearing this McClement anyway.
All the same? Someone is getting traded. I sat with a very knowledgeable hockey fan on Tuesday night. Knowledgeable to the point that he was pointing out certain "Hitchcockian" plays, and not the "look they're trapping and holding" comments that your idiot friend was pointing out. Mainly because your friend was wrong and pointing out stuff that happened in 1999. The guy I sat with pointed out the Blues' repeated move of driving the puck low on offense, only to throw it back high or to the slot as the Kings over-pursued deep.
It was eye-opening.
And while he never said it, my buddy's comments all pointed to the same point over and over: the Blues don't quite have the personnel to execute Cock Hockey as the coach envisions it.
As we've already seen with Kris Russell and Nikita Nikitin, The Cock gets the guys The Cock wants.
So, who is making the grade with Ken Hitchcock and who isn't? Who lloks like they'll make it and who is going to get dangled out on the market by GM Doug Armstrong? Here are a few guesses:
Anyone's Guess. These guys play such small roles or haven't played at all yet, so some are untradeable, like Andy McDonald and David Perron, or have no value, like Kent Huskins, or could easily be thrown into a trade as an add-on, like Chris Porter, Evgeny Grachev, B.J. Crombeen or Scott Nichol.
Cock's Guys. These guys are hard working and visible on every shift and seem to be the kind of players who will thrive under Ken Hitchcock.
Alex Steen. Just as he has since arriving here from Toronto, Steen is a guy who works hard every shift, makes the smart play every time and follows every command of his coach. Can play in every situation and can score or set up others. Steen is the ultimate Cock guy.
Vladimir Sobotka. The little engine that could would run through a wall for his team and his coach, no matter who his coach is or what team he's on. He's not the most skilled little guy, but he has the heart of a lion. Coaches like the Cock loves dudes like Sobotka.
David Backes. The Captain is everything the Cock loves. He's big, strong, hard, a scorer and a leader. He can play in any situation and while not as noticeable on every shift as others, he never takes a shift off. Cap'n Crush ain't nothin' to fuck wit (as Wu Tang would say).
Jason Arnott. Not a top-line guy, but he plays his role and he plays it well. Plus, he's a known commodity to the Cock, and that carries weight (pun only partially intended).
Kevin Shattenkirk. Not typically what one would think of as a Cock guy, Shattenkirk is a more defensive than most people think. Cock has worked well most notably with offensive blueliners Sergei Zubov and Darryl Sydor, but he's a big fan of littel guy/offensive blueliner Russell and he has to see the upside in Shattenkirk. This is a guy who will excel in Cock Hockey.
Barret Jackman. He may get overruled by Armstrong if the Blues were to struggle and miss the playoffs, but Jackman is all Blue and just the kind of anchor that Hitchcock likes. He's the perfect partner for Shattenkirk, especially in Cock's 200 foot system.
Roman Polak. Hitchcock guy. He's big, fast, mean, fast and big. He's also fast. And mean. He has offense, but that's near the bottom of his priorities. One of the most underrated Blues defensemen, don't be surprised if he starts getting more attention league-wide under the Cock.
Jaroslav Halak/Brian Elliott. Who you gonna get for these guys who is an upgrade anyway? Both have played well during the Cock Era and there's no way they get packaged for anyone who is better than them, so they are as safe as possible. Only question is which 26-year-old is the starter at the end of the season.
Alex Pietrangelo. The kid's offense is being overshadowed by Shattenkirk, but this guys is Cock's new Zubov. Guaranteed.
Kris Russell. 'Natch.
On The Bubble. These guys seem like Cock guys, but they could find themselves outside the system and on Armstrong's available list.
T.J. Oshie. The kid/mayor has played well in spurts in his St. Louis career, but since the most recent coaching change he has been great. The way he's playing now makes him a Cock guy, but we've been fooled before. Will the new motivation and pending contract negotiation keep him in the good graces or will the lure of off-ice temptation cause him to lose focus again? In trade he probably gets the Blues more than he's proven he's worth, but what if he gains focus and realizes his potential post-trade?
Chris Stewart. Oh, god do we all want to love Stewie. We want to make him untradeable. We want him to be the new T.J. Oshie in St. Louis: King of the Town. But the big kid is streaky. The Avalanche couldn't deal with his streakiness. Can the Cock?
Tradeable. These guys we want to keep, but they haven't made the case to Coach Cock.
Matt D'Agostini. Hi, I'm 2011's version of Brad Boyes. But am I 2007 Brad Boyes and 43 goals? Or am I 2009 Brad Boyes and 14 goals? Either way, I'm probably not Ken Hitchcock's kind of player.
Jamie Langenbrunner. If this was 1999's Jamie Langenbrunner, he'd be untouchable. Unfortunately, 2011's Langenbrunner isn't as motivated, as hard on the puck or puck-carrier or as, well, anything, as 1999's Langenbrunner. Well, he might be as surly as the 1999 Langenbrunner, but we'll leave that to the historians.
Carlo Colaiacovo. Flashes of greatness. Flashes of steadiness. Flashes of weakness. Flashes of Splodeybones. Not a solid Cock guy, Colaiacovo could easily find himself part of a package out of town.
Patrik Berglund. The effort has been there under the Cock, but the numbers still suck. Is Berglund the classic change-of-scenery guy or is he a sell-high guy? No one wants Berglund to blow up more than Blues fans, management and staff. Everyone is pulling for him, even people who have already given up on Sam Bradford. And yet, if he gets traded, it'd be hard to blame management and it's likely the team could get a Lee Stempniak-like all-upside trade for him.
As fans, we all hate to see our favorite guys go, but to improve the Blues, trades are inevitable. Some of these guys will go. Hitchcock will definitely have a say on which players go and which players come back in the deal. Think I'm wrong here? Make your case in the comments.
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Draft picks
Anybody know the history of dealing picks with Hitch as coach? Particularly with Armstrong as GM?
With a good amount of talent in the cupboard supposedly ready to make the jump to the NHL over the next few years, it could do well to get another Hitchcock guy for a pick or two.
No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.
by Poor College Student on Nov 23, 2011 10:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If you listen to Blues fans . . .
Jackman should’ve been traded Monday for a bag of hockey pucks and a handie from a truck stop tramp.
I’m seriously getting fucking tired of it.
Fight Club writer for the print edition of St. Louis Game Time . . . I need another beer.
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And I can also write things in 140 characters or fewer.
I love Jackman as much as anybody
and Gallagher is right. That shit happens, and both fans and players have to let it go sometimes.
But those turnovers were rough. I had some trouble defending Jackman to my friends last night. The only thing a player can do at that point is pray that his goalie bails him out.
i noticed a lot of our dmen seemed to be too clever for their own good last game
Straight from the crazy unfiltered mind of a sixteen year-old Blues fan.
Goalie for life.
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by BulldogOshie on Nov 23, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Steen is the ultimate Cock guy.
Out of context this quote sounds kind of wrong
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Nov 23, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions
I hate to say it cuz I love him but....
I think Berglund is the guy.
Berglund, prospect, and a pick for Parise? Maybe?
I get so nervous when you can feel a trade coming.
MountainBeaver
by MountainBeaver on Nov 23, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions
Smeggadildoes
Bergie better start lighting the lamp or he is toast. Crispy toast.
The sad thing is we saw glimmers of a huge scoring threat in him. I think it’s all mental, someone needs to figure out how to unfuck his brain pan.
Just a chew toy for the hockey gods
I was thinking Oshie would be the most likely trade bait.
That’s changing since he’s doing better with Steen and Backes. Berglund, though, is having serious problems finding the net. That makes him tradeable.
Would Berglund and D’Agostini for Parise be too much for the Blues to give? I love D’Ags, but he’s fading away from last year’s goodness.
Let's Go Blues!
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by Paperwork Ninja on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions
I'd love to see Parise wearing the note.
But I’d hate to see Berglund and D’ags go.
MountainBeaver
by MountainBeaver on Nov 23, 2011 11:54 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
That is even close to what it would take for Parise.
Try Berglund, Schwartz, and a 1st at a minimum.
Indeed
They’ll want a young NHL forward with top 6 upside (Berg, Osh), a top forward prospect (Schwartz, Tarasenko), and something to the tune of a draft pick and/or another prospect.
Although with the glut of goaltending at the top end of the organization, one of the twineminders could conceivably take one of those spots.
No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.
by Poor College Student on Nov 23, 2011 12:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Ol’ Loucifer isn’t partial to getting boned in transactions with the Blues, and I think the price for Parise would be pretty steep.
A side note for those of you who don’t remember—the Devils moved up to the 17th overall pick by flipping the Scott Stevens tampering 1st rounder (22nd overall) that they got from the Blues and the 68th overall pick to the Oilers. The player they took? Zach Parise.
I’m sure that there’s a lesson in there somewhere, but I’ll be damned if I know what it is.
oshie is still on the block in my mind
the wrist injury is another in a long line of injuries. if he cant stay healthy, what’s he really worth? it seems like his wreckless style and inability to skate without falling is just going to get him in trouble.
double runner skate blades
They had them at Winterland for the noobs. I looked out on the ice and saw how others teased the norman new guys who dared to wear them and I told the skate attendent no fucking way was I enduring that humiliation. Would Teeej wear them to stay afloat?
Who here will admit to wearing double blade skates?
Just a chew toy for the hockey gods
I could see Cock wanting to grab Nash.
Which I wouldn’t be against. It would be pretty funny to see Nash and Oshie playing together.
MountainBeaver
by MountainBeaver on Nov 23, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions
Rick Nash isn't going to be leaving CBJ.
Not for anything the Blues can offer.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
outside the box
pietrangelo.
why?
what do the blues really need?
a finishing forward.
a TOP finishing forward
where are we strong? d- specifically transition d now with russell added into the mix
who is actually worth a top line finisher from our area of strength? certainly not jackman or polak or colaiacova or cole or russell
shattenkirk or pietrangelo
this of course assumes a wiiiiiiiiiiiinnnn it baby menatlity. and i am NOT suggesting swap alex p for a rental, i am talking finding a partner who needs a great pp qb and transition d-man and who has a finisher currently playing on their second line.
after all we did trade erik johnson last season to get forward help (and ended up getting mroe defense help as well- go figure)
pietrangelo’s upside, admittedly, is huge, and his play is great, but if we want a great player back we must give up greatness, a greatness oshie has not consistantly shown to our potential trade partners. yet.
also remember. cock’s guys are one thing, it is amry’s men that they really must be to stay. :)
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 23, 2011 12:50 PM CST reply actions
plan b
trade d’ags to the av’s straight up for statsny.
tell tehm we apologize for the johnson burn job and it is a make up deal, heck we might even consider throughing in cheechoo. maybe.
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 23, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
no
i should just leave it at no, but ill elaborate.
the blues right side on the back end is petro/shat/polak. All are young and good. RH d-men are hard to find and the Blues have three good ones.
Every team is looking for a No. 1 puck moving d-man. That’s Petro. You trade him, you’re just creating a hole.
No. Just no. Petro goes, the whole defense falls apart.
we have two :)
shatt is there :0) of the two i’d rather keep shatt. but it is close
yes the blues have 2 of the most desired type of players in the game
smells like trade bait to me
IF you really want a player back
if you want a third liner or a so-so second liner by all means trade oshie for oshie jr
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 23, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Petro and Shatty are not trade bait.
We trade one of them and we get much, much worse.
re-watch the game tonight
and tell me petro is tradeable.
best d-man on the team. he plays tough minutes and shuts down people.
the point of this post
is will the blues trade something to WIN
yes i wish we could trade crombeen for crosby
did you watch tonights game, and the night before and the night before that?
the blues need an elite finisher
the question shouldnt be what extra crap do we have that we dont want, but what should we expect to pay if we make a trade to set up this team for this season and the next two
imma telling you now
this team needs an elite finisher
and to get it we need to give an elite d-man
WILL WE?
wasnt the question.
will we get tired of cola or bergie and decide we are going to trade them cos we aint signing them? perhaps
that isnt a trade for “a team built to win”
if we decide to fix the glaring hole, it will cost. a whole lot
seriously, aj, what exactly do you think an underperfoming bergie is worth? or a free agent-to-be oshie?
i like stastny. would you consider trading stastny straight up for oshie?!??!?!?
how about vanek or pominville for oshie straight?
avs and sabres and anyone else we get to trade at this point in the season (trade deadline might be another beast) is not only going to demabe alex p. but they too are going to create a new team dynamic with a brand new hole :)
it is what it is
you want an all-star you expect to trade one.
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 23, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
you're just creating more holes, man
its robbing peter to pay paul. why would you trade your best player? petro leaves, the blues have a massive hole on defense. it’s that simple.
how many teams do you see trading their best player to fix problems?
i do not agree alex is our best player
if i did then i would trade shattenkirk :)
same deal. one of the two
you trade from strength to fix weekness and you trade value for value
why would i trade oshie for oshie jr or bergie for bergie jr? what does that do?
and yea while we COULD trade cola (if he is ever healthy) for a forward – wouldnt that forward be a third liner and dont we have 57 of them already?
:)
again, my counter arguement is what exactly do you get for bergie. give me some ideas :)
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 24, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
you trade from strength, if after trading it is still a strength.
if we trade Shatty or Petro, our strength becomes a weakness
Off the current topic
Doughty only gets $2500 bucks taken out of his wallet for that cross check on Oshie??? What utter fucking bullshit!!!!
Its always windy in Springfield and Champaign because Decatur sucks.
Fuck you Shitcago & Detroit
by DecaturBluesFan on Nov 23, 2011 1:55 PM CST reply actions
Oshie or Berglund...
if only to send a message to the other young-ins (and try to reverse all the hype team piled on them when we sucked and ‘youth’ was THE marketing)
you get rid of them
how many kids are left?
Straight from the crazy unfiltered mind of a sixteen year-old Blues fan.
Goalie for life.
Reppin Southern Illinois
by BulldogOshie on Nov 23, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite player cam janssen was already traded
so I don’t really care who else is traded :(
I would be ok with coco being traded, and jackman but what could they get for jackman?
To those of you who think Bergie is gonna get traded...
Y’all nuts.
Yes, he’s going through a cold streak in points, but there a few points about why that’s a stupid idea. First off, it’s not like Bergie has been playing bad or being a liability. He’s been a productive player that is still in the middle of the play.
And, well, Ken Hitchcock is a veteran coach. Veteran coaches don’t trade good players because of a cold streak. They don’t make stupid decisions on a small sample size. That’s why they have been around long enough to earn the title “veteran coach”
So yeah, Bergie isn’t going anywhere unless someone gets stupid like Colorado and Toronto have in the past.
Is willing to go to the mattresses with the lot of yous.
by Novacain on Nov 23, 2011 3:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sean Gallagher
Trade him to Oakland again.
No beer and no TV make Homer...something something.
by Poor College Student on Nov 23, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
go seals!!
go! all the way to cleveland :)
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 23, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions

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