Davis Payne Reacts To Being Fired As Blues Head Coach
It's a bit ironic that the last time Blues fans saw Davis Payne behind the bench as head coach on Friday night, Payne was congratulating Tony La Russa before the game for winning another World Series and wishing him well in retirement. La Russa had 33 years managing and had been with the St. Louis Cardinals since 1996. Payne got 137 games with the Blues before he was fired Sunday.
No, we didn't see this coming right now, but trouble was brewing. After the current ownership put more money into the team for the first time in a few years this summer, expectations were higher. Everyone in the building - be it in the stands, on the bench or in John Davidson's skybox - thought this team was going to be better. Sure they've shown flashes, but the team that got shutdown 2-1 in Minnesota on Saturday was just as likely to show up as the team that controlled Vancouver 3-2 on Friday.
When Jeremy Rutherford with the Post-Dispatch got in touch with Payne tonight, the now former head coach didn't burn a bridge.
"It's shocking and it's disappointing, but in the end, you're responsible for all the areas of your hockey team," he said. "There were pieces that weren't firing on all cylinders and it's under my umbrella of responsibility. But I also can say that we were looking at a favorable schedule ahead and ready to turn the corner. That said, if this is what gets things going, then I'm all for it. I wish nothing but the best for the team and this group of guys. They deserve it.
"I'm more than grateful, more than grateful, to this organization for giving me a chance to coach in this league. The things that I learned and will learn from this, I owe a great deal of thanks."
If you interviewed me the night I got fired from what sure seems like my dream job after my other head coaching jobs involved stops in Central Illinois and Alaska, I'd be a bitter asshole. And one thing that would keep eating at me is that the some of the same guys that didn't give consistent effort and struggled to show up on the score sheet on a regular basis who got Andy Murray fired are some of the guys that got me fired.
The big Erik Johnson trade last season was a popular one for the players that came in return (Kevin Shattenkirk and Chris Stewart) as well as the idea that the Blues were shipping an uneven performer and possibly hard to coach player for two guys with lots of potential. Maybe they traded the wrong guy? Maybe they didn't trade enough guys? General manager Doug Armstrong was sending a message then as well as when he brought in Jamie Langenbrunner and Jason Arnott in the offseason. He's not impressed by the potential or the performance of this team. Payne wasn't his guy. Neither are most of these players. Embrace the change. More is coming.
Let's be honest, this is a quick hook. Payne's tenure is shorter than Jacques Martin's (160 games), shorter than Bob Berry's (157) and even shorter than Mike Keenan's (163). Remember the head coaching regime of Mike "I Can't Believe I Replaced Quenneville Either" Kitchen and how bad it got? His teams won 38 times...in 131 games. In terms of total games behind the bench, Payne's Blues career mirrors the most forgettable Blues coach of at least the last 20 years. They also have something else important in common: neither coached in a single playoff game.
Since 1967, the Blues have now had 24 coaches. They all have one thing in common: None has ever won a championship here. Ken Hitchcock is the first coach to have a Cup on his resume when joining the Blues since Keenan - which is fitting because they have somewhat similar reputations. They don't play games and they like their kind of guys. You don't conform, you sell your house because you just got traded.
We'll have more Monday morning about the new coach, a guy we've made more than a baker's dozen fat jokes about over the years. We'll probably have more on that later as well.
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oh man, he's so fat.
Next in the Nate the Great mystery series: Nate the Great searches for a free-agent forward who doesn't blow dicks.
Meanwhile ....
The Dynamic Duo, the Teflon Two, Brad Shaw and Ray Bennett are gearing up for their fourth coach since 2006-07. In 423, the team has gone 192-174-57. But no, they get to keep working.
unfathomable...their PP and PK sucks balls and yet the HC gets canned
it makes no fucking sense. I say its silent protest time, like I did when Murray was fired
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by I_AM_SPARTACUS on Nov 6, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
how'd that work for ya?
I mean, C’mon….
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by CrossCheckRaise on Nov 7, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I sat on my hands for 3 games
made me feel good
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by I_AM_SPARTACUS on Nov 7, 2011 4:48 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is one of the few things all Blues fans can agree on.
They must be fired.
Someone talk me off the ledge.
This Blues franchise is taking years off my life. We go from a classy, consistent, winning franchise who consistently makes the playoffs to one riddled with problems. But ok, we give them a pass. Checketts, JD, and Army come in…promise change and prosperity in the future. They work their asses off, build through the draft, make some shrewd moves, and put us in every position possible to succeed. We then decide to tease the fanbase with a playoff yr in 2008, but get swept proving we need to grow. The team seems to grow in front of our eyes and show flashes of what it can/should be, but continues to fail. And now two coaches have paid for the lack of success. At this point EJ is thanking his lucky star for getting shipped out.
Someone give me a glimpse of hope…i’m not a drinker, but i’m gonna go take it up.
the team has been built -- is being built for the long term
They’re going about it from the top end in the right way. Many of the young guys have promise; some even have superstar potential. This is far better than we’ve seen from the Blues over their history. I was a fan starting in the 70’s. I remember many nights in the Checkerdome just chanting “clear the zone” over and over and over again, and then cheering when they actually managed to clear the damn zone. Too many years we played with such a small amount of talent and no real plan in place to get more. In the recent past, this is still way better than the Laurie regime, which ended up selling off significant contractual obligations (read: Chris Pronger) to facilitate the sale of the franchise. So be happy with all of the potential here, even if it seems right now that it’s very hard to turn that into actual on-the-ice success.
Who exactly has superstar potential?
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On the current roster? I see four.
Offensively, Berglund and Stewart.
Defensively, Pietrangelo.
Offensive defenseman, Shattenkirk.
I’d say that Pietrangelo is the most developed
Stewart has the biggest upside with a combination of size+speed+hands that you don’t see very often.
Shattenkirk is going to be a great PP quarterback (when the Blues finally decide to run their PP through him.) he needs a big defensive defenseman to pair with at even strength, though.
Berglund’s career is still eerily similar to the creepy Swedish twins. Mellanby has been good for him, and he’s been playing well at both ends of the ice. Needs to eliminate his mental mistakes.
by The Goalie Guy on Nov 8, 2011 9:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So ... i spend all day Sunday in NFL land, and just before hitting the sack...
read all of this. My O My.
First thoughts-
I have a shit-ton of respect for Hitchcock, I think he’s a great coach. If for no other reason, he taught Brett Hull how to play a little D.
That being said, though, I don’t know if that’s going to be a long-term solution for this team. I’d echo what everyone else has said about Bennett and Shaw – they should have taken the fall WELL before Payne.
This is largely the same team that got off to the hot start last season, and also finished it on a pretty good run. Why we can’t duplicate that right now, I don’t know, but we know THAT team is in that locker room, somewhere. I don’t understand the fast hook, though. Especially on a 6-7 team with a long home-stretch coming up. How is it that Payne loses his gig, and Arniel still has his?
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by CrossCheckRaise on Nov 7, 2011 12:43 AM CST reply actions
Hull and Defense
Hull killed penalties for both Brian Sutter and Bob Berry. To say Hitchcock taught him to play defense is utter nonsense. He was asked in Dallas to play an entirely different role than he ever was in St. Louis when it came to the five on five situations, and Hull adapted his game to fit what was asked of him.
Hull was as uncoachable as any player in the league in St. Louis.
Not because he didn’t want to learn, but because he had the popularity to get coaches fired, and knew it. Hitchcock benched Hull when he tried to revert to his cherry-picking ways, and Hull got the message.
Hull became both a complete player and a team-first player under Hitch, and those are the lessons that got Hull’s name engraved on the Cup a couple times.
As for the players
the magnifying glass is really on Berglund and Oshie.
These guys were fast-tracked to the NHL without the benefit of AHL experience. They are now part of the young core of the team. How much can be laid at their feet? I don’t know, but they will definitely find a “hitch” in their plans if they think they can continue the same as before. They had better remove their heads from their asses and produce.
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by CrossCheckRaise on Nov 7, 2011 12:56 AM CST reply actions
I'm totally cool with this move.
And after reading the mass hysteria/group therapy session that occurred in the comments section of the previous post, I feel like I may be the only person that is okay with this move. I have a friend with some pretty close ties to a few people in the organization, and he has been telling me since the end of last season that the word in the front office is that a lot of players were beginning to tune out Payne. Apparently he has a reputation in the dressing room for being a “my-way-or-the-highway” type guy, and respect has been wearing thin among the players for a while. I’m still on the fence about Hitchcock, but based on the info I have, I think it may have been time for Payne to go.
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I'm with you.
But I would have preferred the assistants to go as well – not that I think they’ll last much longer anyway. Hitchcock seems a canny guy…and if they’re not working well, they’ll go.
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by drfrankentweed on Nov 7, 2011 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
If you think Payne is a ‘my way….’ , you haven’t seen anything yet. Being a Flyer fan for years, I can say with all conviction that Hitch will make Payne look like a choir boy in that respect. It appears the problem is that some of the players want to be players want to tell the coach how to run the team. That never works. And as for Arnott, he has made so many rounds of the teams, he’s probably dizzy. He is no help. Good luck to you.
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this is the problem
players were beginning to tune out Payne
You mean like they did with Murray? Four coaches in six years. You can’t keep blaming the coach.
by averagejoe on Nov 7, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And who needs a coach like that when half your team is getting drunk and flipping golf carts. Fuck that guy.
Godspeed, Davis Payne.
Should’ve been Shaw, Hirsch and Bennett, not you, but how graceful to take the blade as the captain of the ship.
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