New Blues Coach Ken Hitchcock By The Numbers
Davis Payne was an experiment by Blues management. After the young core of the team essentially tuned out whip-cracking coach Andy Murray, and after seeing the success that the young Pittsburgh Penguins were having with a young, player-friendly coach in Dan Bylsma, management gave the young AHL coach his first crack at an NHL job.
Davis Payne, I think, did a good job with the rosters he had at his disposal, but with the team continuing to disappoint despite years of upgrades, clearly the bosses upstairs felt like a move had to be made. Why Payne was fired and not his assistant coaches, who are in charge of the floundering special teams and the floundering starting netminder, is a subject that is still open to discussion. But what is obvious is that the Blues feel like the so-called veteran leadership that was brought in over the summer clearly is not enough of a steadying force on the roster. Ken Hitchcock is a renowned whip-cracker himself and his influence should be noticeable on this team quickly.
Hitchcock's professional coaching career began in Dallas, as a mid-season replacement during the 1995-96 season, when he took over for Bob Gainey and his 11-19-9 start. Hitchcock put together a 15-23-5 finish and the Stars wound up 6th in the Central Division, well out of the playoffs.
The following year, Hitchcock and the Stars went 48-26-8, winning the Central, but falling in the first round of the playoffs in seven games. Year three in Dallas was an equally-successful regular season as the team went 49-22-11 and breaking through in the playoffs, making it to the Western Conference finals before falling to the eventual champions, some team from Detroit.
1998-99 was, of course, the Stars' best, as they won 53 games and the Stanley Cup over Buffalo. Hitchcock managed to get the Stars back to the Stanley Cup finals again in 99-00, though they lost to New Jersey in six games. The following season was another first place finish in the Central Division with 48 wins. The Stars, having played more hockey than any other team in the previous three seasons, couldn't sustain their postseason success and lost in the second round of the playoffs (to the Blues in a sweep).
In 2001-02 Hitchcock was unable to keep the Stars as the top team in the Central, as they had been for five straight seasons, and was let go after 50 games. That team finished fourth in the division and out of the playoffs.
Hitchcock found a job in Philadelphia for the next season, and in his first three seasons with the Flyers he led them to three 40-plus win years (45, 40, 45) and second place or first place finishes in the Atlantic Division. His teams met with varying degrees of success in the playoffs, losing in the second round (to the Senators, who lost to champion Devils), the Conference Finals (to eventual champion Lightning) and the first round (to Buffalo, who lost in seven games to eventual champion Hurricanes).
After a bad start to a dismal 2006-07 (1-6-1 start, Flyers finished last in the NHL), Hitchcock was fired by the Flyers, but quickly picked up by the Columbus Blue Jackets.
In Columbus, Hitchcock struggled to lead the hapless Jackets to respectability, but he did get them to their first-ever playoff berth, in 2008-09. His first three seasons in Columbus rank as three of the franchise's four best seasons in their 10 years of existence.
Hitchcock's career coaching numbers are 533 wins, 350 losses, 88 ties and 70 OT losses, good for a career 58.8% winning percentage. He is 66-55 in the playoffs (54.5%) and in nine playoff seasons he has won one Cup, been to the finals twice and been to the Conference finals an additional two times (total of four).
Hitchcock's reputation is one of a coach who values discipline and adherence to the team system above all other things. He is known for valuing veteran players over youngsters, and that tends to hold up both statistically (his top-scoring players on virtually every team he has coached have been older, with the exception of Rick Nash leading the Blue Jackets two of the three years he coached in Columbus and 25-year-old Simon Gagne leading his Flyers one year) as well as allegorically, as he was blamed for squashing the creative play of youngsters like Nikolai Zherdev, Gilbert Brule and Nikita Filatov in Columbus.
Needless to say, it will be interesting to see how this philosophy works with the current Blues roster, many of whom have earned icetime on the team based on their reputations as creative young players.
With this move, Doug Armstrong brings in another strong-willed coach with a track record for success. It's interesting to note that this may just be the first of a series of moves, as most of the management team recently spent a couple days in Peoria watching the Rivermen play. Armstrong has proved that he's willing to move swiftly and decisively to address roster and coaching issues. If Hitchcock expresses a desire to make a change with assistant coaches or with players on the team, expect that it will happen.
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Hull -Modano- Niewendyke
…are not walking through that door. You always worry about coaches like this bringing in “their guys”, but it’s been so long since that Stars team won the cup, nobody is still playing except the guy we already have.
by forgetyerskatesdream on Nov 7, 2011 8:53 AM CST reply actions
Over the next 10 games...
I bet the Blues go 5-5 at best.
I defended Murray till the bitter end
I said stuff like “If Boyes could score a WIDE OPEN TAP IN, or Mason could stop shots that hit him in the chest wed be up 4 games and in the playoffs” but the players sucking at easy things still got him fired. Then Payne came along and now the players suck balls at special teams which is more on the assistant coaches but that still got him fired. At this point there is no more coaching changes even though I dont think Jabba is the guy to take us there. If shit gets fucked up from here on out the players are getting told to just leave their stuff unpacked next time we play in Winnipeg. I thought Murray was a good coach who cared about the team and I felt the same about Payne. If Hitch can get guys to stop sucking then I dont really care if he absolutely hates the blues, I just want results at this point.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Aren't you that guy who hates the blues?
What changes are next?
I’ve made lots of fun at teams that play boring, neutral zone trap, eliminate-scoring-opportunities hockey. We’re about to get one. Look for a trade for a big, nasty, physical clear-out-the-crease defensive defenseman. Hitch has always favored a guy like that.
We also are going to be on the lookout for a veteran, proven netminder (if we weren’t already).
The question is what trading chips do we have?
I do think Payne got screwed. While it is ultimately his responsibility for the inconsistency, management’s failure to replace assistant coaches (or get head coach input-if Payne was OK with Shaw/Bennett, then he did deserve to be fired.)
by The Goalie Guy on Nov 7, 2011 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Stupid phone...
To finish, management’s unwillingness to get better folks behind the bench alongside Payne(except for Mellanby, whose addition seems to have helped Berglund in particular) certainly contributed to his ineffectiveness.
My biggest fear is that, of the players, Shattenkirk may be high on Hitch’s hit list. he favors disciplined positionally-sound defensemen, and that’s not Shattenkirk’s forte.
Yes, change is a-comin. Management has clearly said they expect this club to make the playoffs for more than a four and out this year. I don’t know that all the guys in the team calendar are going to be a part of that club.
by The Goalie Guy on Nov 7, 2011 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Smells like Armstrong's last stand (already?) before new ownership
Like he was worried the BJ’s would take his favorite potential replacement, so he acted now.
Otherwise I don’t get why you don’t work with the young coach. I don’t get why you’re willing to go into the season with him again but pull the plug after essentially .500 in just 13 games with a road-tough schedule. Like just about everyone else, I don’t get the continuity with the assistant coaches.
I hope I’m just missing insider info about young players gone wild and the desperate need for a Hitchcock to come in and kick everyone’s ass. I admittedly have my Blues history bias going on this, but I can’t shake how this move feels all too familiar.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yes, one Zubov.
The Blues have two offensive defensemen. Personally, I hope I’m being paranoid, and Hitch will see that pietrangelo and Shattenkirk aren’t the same type of player and decide he can live with both of them in the lineup. Polak & Jackman are much more Hitchcock type of defensemen, so I don’t think they’re going anywhere. Anybody else on D better get with the program or get food in the pressbox (assuming coach Hutt doesn’t get there first. Then all the skyboxes may be out of food.)
by The Goalie Guy on Nov 7, 2011 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
As much as Hitchcock..
will influence what players come in and out. He’s still not the GM. Army’s not gonna ship off Shattenkirk after trading for him last year. No matter what type of player he is.
the fact that
there were troubles between creative types/youngsters and Hitchcock makes me nervous considering that’s a majority of our team. I’m not saying this new partnership wont work or cant work, hopefully it does. It just doesnt seem like a great fit. Just makes me nervous.
Do you mean Pacific?
Dallas isn’t in the Central Division. I think you mean Pacific.
by BlueNoteExpress on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM CST reply actions
some of us
still have the north stars where they should be playing :)
change is slow to come to the old time hockey guys
plannin a road trip to watch nhl in ohio, havent seen the barons play in for-eh-vah
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 7, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Give it a season
The Norris will rise again.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Aren't you that guy who hates the blues?
Hoping this works out better than the last time the Blues hired a head coach...
who has won a Stanley Cup, and really likes veterans.
Fucking Keenan.
At least I don’t think Armstrong is that stupid. Plus Brett Hull on his twitter said he loves Hitch.
Payne's over 'Cock's up
seriously?
SERIOUSLY?
a year ago today. 365 mere days, Davis Payne was one of the brilliant young minds in all coaching and on a NATIONAL level not only the best man for the job but an obvious Jack Adams winner.
What a difference a fast start vs a slow start has on your ability and your job.
Payne has benched players, rewarded success, played who he was given, threw none of his inhereted sub coaches under a single solitary bus.
the bloody inmates run the bloody asylum. Not sure how long they have, but its be at least 5 years.
and Hitch is stepping into this? is tehre a point to hiring him? lets see we tried a winner (q) fired him. tried someone in the organization and familiar with the team (kitch) fired him, hired a man supposedly good with turnign teams around and working with youth (murray) fired him, got a bright young next wave guy (payne) fired him, now we got someone who hates everyone (hitch) think we will fire him?
bloody hell what is left to try on this team the head coaches DO NOT ASSEMBLE?
i propose the next head coach is an ap.
download the ap, we will vote on the lines and stuff
wont matter there will nto be a powerplay or pk ap- that will still be bennetttttt and shaw.
not sure swapping d’ag and vodka with our democratic ap power makes all that much difference in the end
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 7, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
i was more refering
to the height of the hype. hey the blues were in first place, remeber that? so obviously their coach was a legend. and had the blues continued winning, yes he would have won the adams. period. the media was already annointing him in oil
now they aint in first obviously their coach is a loser
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Nov 7, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
So surreal
The Stars, having played more hockey than any other team in the previous three seasons, couldn’t sustain their postseason success and lost in the second round of the playoffs (to the Blues in a sweep).
Ah, memories. And boy, Hitchcock was complimentary of the Blues after that series.
My Laurie shit list of who has screwed things up since then is too long for the web. I hope Armstrong isn’t joining that list.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
This seems logical
Although it’s harsh to give up on Payne so early, and to leave the assistants out of the equation, putting Hitchcock at the helm was a smart move by the Blues.
What the team now has, for the first time in a long time, is a coach that has consistently made and gone deep in the playoffs throughout his career. That is what the Blues need right now: a tough, experienced coach that will structure this team into a playoff-winner no matter the cost — and isn’t that what we want?
Payne helped develop the young players, but now those players are grown and need to play with a focus on making the post-season. If there is any coach that can do that, it’d be Ken Hitchcock. This isn’t to say that Hitchcock will turn against the younger players. He will more than likely emphasize the use of Alex Pietrangelo and Chris Stewart, two players that he’s had experience with on the international level. Remember this quote about Petro?
"He has the same puck patience characteristics as Nick Lidstrom," Canadian coach Ken Hitchcock told the Canadian Press. "He’s calm when he should panic, he sees a second option where most people just see ‘get it out,’ he has that quality about him that’s very, very unique where he does not panic when he’s under challenging situations."
Source: http://digitaljournal.com/article/306297#ixzz1d3CNk7jP
While the change might not be smooth at first, Hitchcock will find success with this roster and start winning games — but hopefully sooner than later. The Blues have a five-game home stand against some of the better teams in the league, and winning these matches will be vital to making the playoffs.
by River City Rumble on Nov 7, 2011 1:49 PM CST reply actions
Stupid question-Can anyone tell me the save percentages...
Of the goalies who started against the blues prior to the game?
by The Goalie Guy on Nov 7, 2011 3:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not a stupid question - but not an easy answer, either.
As far as I know, there’s no site on the web that will give you a “time machine” interface to go back and see what a player’s stats were on a particular date. You’d need to look at their game-by-game stats, and then sum them up to see what they were like just before they played the Blues.
Regarding #KenHitchcockHatesYoungPlayers...
… is it possible that the argument has been overstated?
I haven’t done research one way or another on this yet; but if Zherdev/Brule/Filatov are intended to be major pieces of evidence for the prosecution, then the overall case wouldn’t seem to be very strong. All three of those players have now had other coaches, other teams, other systems in which to show their actual talent; and all three have left a lot of fans wondering just what the hell their hype was all about.
Those three players look more likely to end up in a “Columbus Draft Busts” article than a “Ken Hitchcock Killed My Career” one.
Granted. As a rejoinder...
All those guys were also under 20, and in their first seasons, drafted as future superstars. The Blues have no one who fits that profile. AM had that job.
I’m not a big fan of neutral zone trap hockey. It’s boring. The Blues are already one of the better shot-limiting teams out there. Why did they hire a defense-minded coach?
Because at this point, it’s all about consistency. As much as Payne’s system worked, individual breakdowns cost the team at both ends of the ice. With the fat man, that’s going to change. Individual responsibility becomes team responsibility, and the idea is to put as many layers of protection between the opposition and the goalie as you can. It requires discipline to adhere to the system. There won’t be as much taking shifts off, and individual mistakes won’t wind up in the net as often. The team is probably going to win more games under Hitch, and frankly, it’s going to be less exciting than Payne’s downhill hockey. More important, the organization is going to find out who has the commitment and discipline on the ice to make this team concept work. Then they can find out what pieces they need to contend for the cup. Will Hitch be the guy who gets them there? Maybe, maybe not.
by The Goalie Guy on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
What's up guys?
I think the Blues should buy in to the mandatory visor rule. Can’t have Hitch’s debris from his sixthmeal getting caught in their eyes.
Ushering in the house of cock....still working on that name.

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