Real fans buy Game Time PRINT edition (but endured pessimism tonight)
I feel very passionate about the importance of supporting and buying the PRINT edition of Game Time. This internet site is fine, but what can compare to going to the game and buying an actual printed edition from a very friendly Amy or Becky Benoist? The internet is a nice thing, but it is not a substitute for human interactions, to buy the paper from the vendor, and to appreciate the work of the folks who put the paper together just hours before. Every time I buy the paper from Amy, it reminds of those good old days way back in the 1900's.
All of you here in Cyberspace, please promise to fork out your four bucks (the cost of about 2/5 beer) for the print edition of this paper. And get to know your vendor. My daughters now attend the games and the first thing they do before entering the arena is to go straight to Amy to get the paper.
In the interest of full disclosure, I have no tie to Game Time. Just a long-term Blues' fan who appreciates the work that the Game-Time people do. And, before that, appreciated the original paper from Jeffio, who might have invented this genre even before the internet existed.
My love for the PRINT edition, and my loyalty to it: that is what gives me mixed emotions to read that gallagher will be posting the editorial from today's paper on the website. For one thing, it will give people access to something that I paid four hard-earned dollars for, tonight. But the other thing: it will show a very pessimistic tone by gallagher and Brad Lee exhibited in tonight's paper.
I don't post on this site often. The main reason is because I am more of a "paper" guy than an "internet" guy, but the other thing is that when I have posted in the past, I sometimes will question the popular opinion of the fans of the Blues, and I get accused of being too negative. Earlier this year, I posted something entitled:
Teams without superstars do not win championships 
You may want to find it and re-read it. It was from early October, when the Blues were doing great. Gallagher, Lee, Tomorrow's, and other fans jumped all over me. My point was: the Blues do not have any great players. At that point, I was told that Oshie is just as good as Jonathan Toews, and that Halak was at least as good as Glen Hall or Patrick Roy. Backes is Adonis incarnate; how could I possibly say he was a third-line player, second line at best?
Reading tonight's PRINT edition of Game Time.....It reminded me of my October posting, but more negative. Gallagher and Lee acknowledge now that the Blues have no true first-line forwards. They talk about the fact that our young players have not fulfilled their promise: even the beloved and popular players, like Oshie and Backes.... they are just not that good. They are not terrible.....they are hard-nosed, give a lot of effort, get some hits, etc.....but they are not stars and will not likely ever be. They are not first-liners. Gallagher and Lee even go so far as to question God himself, and by God I mean: Jarmo Kekalainen. This is the guy who announced in 2006 that the first overall draft choice was Erik Johnson, in front of the next three picks, Jordan Staal (Stanley Cup), Toews (Captain of Stanley Cup team last year), and Nicklas Backstrom. They even question JD, asserting that the rebuilding of the past five years has been a failure.
So, compared to tonight's PRINT edition, I am not so negative after all. I just pointed it out five months before them that we have no star players.
But, an optomistic thought: Alex Pietrangelo is the real deal. Imagine how many assists he would have on a team with a true first line. He is clearly the best player on the Blues. The pessimist in me, though, is telling me: what will the Blues do to screw him up? They already sent him back to Juniors for the first two years of his career, when he could have been up here in the NHL. Another thought: I think it is too early to give up on Erik Johnson.
Halak? Very surprising to me, the type of season he is having. I thought he would be good. On some nights, as in the game in Florida, he is good. But tonight....another terrible game, with two unfortunate goals in the third period. He has been great some nights, that is true, but the Florida game should not have been considered anything special: he had a solid game against a mediocre team, and did not give up a "bad" goal. Why is that so extraordinary? Tonight, an absolutely atrocious goal early in the third, and then a very weak late tying goal with failure to control a rebound from a shot from a bad angle. Very disappointing player this year, but perhaps might get better as his career goes forward. This year, though, his "bad" games have cost us at least 10 points, the difference between playoffs and not.
I fear that the Game Time PRINT edition is right....the rebuilding project has failed. Where to go from here?
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So...
You have mixed emotions about one small part of the print edition being reprinted the day after the game. I share your love of the print edition on game day, but I do not see how the paper loses any value if part or even all of it appears on the site after the game.
Not to worry
Beer, I have no problem with posting some of the PRINT edition. I do have a problem with fans who might not be buying the PRINT edition and are just reading the online stuff. It is only four bucks, but over the course of a season, that will be about 4×40=160 bucks. Still, only about sixteen beers, or for some of you only four games worth of beers. The point is: by the PRINT edition.
Okay. I got ya.
But the only reason that I buy the print edition, and the only reason that I learned that the print edition even existed, was because I discovered the online stuff.
Beer....
You must be younger than me, and younger than Jeffio. When Game Night came out, there was no on-line edition. My problem is with people who just go on-line and look at free stuff, and who do not buy the true paper at the games. Thanks for buying the real paper.
Dude you're still wrong
Your whole argument vis-a-vis stars and winning was really flawed. You basically said Jon Toews over Erik Johnson would equal wins. That’s pretty false.
Star players don’t win titles. Wayne Gretzky is one of the best players of all time, he only won on stacked teams in Edmonton. When he left for LA and wasn’t surrounded by a TEAM of great players, he didn’t win shit.
There are a million other examples of this. Brett Hull only won a cup when he was with a good TEAM. The Blues, like all teams, need to build a team.
If it were all about superstars, shouldn’t Ove and the loaded Caps have won last year?
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by averagejoe on Feb 12, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
game.set.match
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
Couldn’t you argue that most of those oilers were superstars in their own right? And also, although it wasn’t that long ago, different era, different game. The Devils and their run of cup wins would most likely be the most valid argument for championships won by non superstar teams assuming superstar means a skater and not a keeper, and even that style of play seems outdated by now.
the devils
were the masters of the trap…to me their championships were won on that alone…there were superstars on those teams, scott gomez , scott neidermeyer, scott stevens, martin brodeur, to name a few
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
well if we’re calling scott gomez a superstar then yeah, only teams with superstars win championships.
^^ This ^^
Brodeur, Stevens, Niedermayer… yes.
Gomez? Nicht nein aber ficht nein.
As CCR says in the Road Music post: Just because the Blues have yet to reach the destination, does not mean they are on the wrong road.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 12, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
im only including gomez
because of the monster contract…talent wise yes ver questionable
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
"assuming superstar means a skater and not a keeper"
BZ,
Keepers not only count as a player on your team, but they are the MOST important player on your team, especially in the Playoffs. The Devils had a true superstar with Cup wins, at the most important position, in Goal. They also had other star players: Neidermeyer, Stevens (NHL Hall of Fame), Gomez, etc. The Blues this year: NO players in that category (except, in my mind, for the future: Pietrangelo).
Average.....
When you say: “Star players don’t win titles,” I respectfully disagree with you. Even though I never actually made this point, I also think that Jon Toews over Erik Johnson would equal wins, and most hockey guys in North America would agree with me. (But that is not necessarily the fault of those two players. I think it is the fault of their organizations. One, the hated ‘Hawks, did not treat their young players like little babies. They threw them out on the ice, as teenagers, and said: “sink or swim.” They made Toews their captain, and challenged Keith and Kane to not only be NHL players, but to be GREAT. The Blues, on the other hand, with their young players, they treat them like little kids. The one forward in the past fifteen years with first-line talent that the Blues have drafted: David Perron. And what did they do with him?? Reluctantly kept him on the team when he was 19. Sat him out a bunch of games. Told him how he was so immature and not ready to be a true pro. The Blues are so wrong on this. Great, or even VERY good players in hockey: you can usually tell that when they are 18. Perron deserved to be playing regularly that first year, even at age 19. The Penguins didn’t hesitate to play Crosby as a young teenager. Toews is not a superstar in the same category as Crosby, but the Blackhawks played him as a teenager. The Blues sent Petro back to Juniors for two years. Maybe the Blues don’t develop any young players because they do not believe in them.)
When you say: “Brett Hull only won a Cup when he was with a good TEAM,” what does THAT mean? Hull was with some VERY good teams here. Pronger, MacInness, Demitra, Oates. The thing we lacked back in those days was a good goalie.
“If it were all about superstars, shouldn’t Ove and the loaded Caps have won last year?” DUDE, I didn’t say that if you have a superstar that you are guaranteed to win a Cup. What I did say is that teams WITHOUT a superstar do not win championships. (I later stated that maybe I should have said “star,” not “superstar,” but in the case of this Blues’ team this year, they have neither.)
In reference to your paragraph about Wayne Gretzky, you seem to be suggesting that he only won Cups because of the fact that he was on a team with many other great players. While it is true that the Oilers did win a Cup after the Great One was traded, I don’t think it is likely that they would have won any if they had not had the Great One. Average, did you ever actually see the Oilers of those years?
Happy to keep the discussion going. Be careful with Logic 101, though.
here's my point
star players wouldn’t mean diddly right now. the team is not solid top to bottom.
what’s the difference between the hawks this year and last year? it’s not the stars. they weakened the third and fourth lines and the whole team has suffered.
you add any star to this squad and you still have too many guys not playing up to their full potential.
St. Louis Game Time Fact: Morning links are part of a well-balanced meal.
SBNSTL Writing about the Blues in more than one line is tough.
average...
I think you are right when you say that a team with star players can only win the Cup with a good supporting cast. Just having stars does not guarantee a Cup, much less making the playoffs. But my point has been: you cannot just have a supporting cast of nice second-line players. You also need one or two true STAR players if you are to be a contender. It also helps to have a great goalie.
The problem with the Blues this year: no star players. And in goal, a tremendous disappointment. If we could just get one great offensive player, that would change the whole dynamic. And if we could somehow get a solid goalie, that would do the same.
I'm not so sure I'd call Halak a ''tremendous'' disappointment just yet...
Hell, no, I’m not happy with how his season has gone, but I’m not anywhere near ready to give up on him yet, either. Something got into his head between October and now, because the guy was absolutely lights-out at the start of the year.
Either he’s having a personal problem (girlfriend issues have been reported), or the coaching he’s getting from Corey Hirsch isn’t working.
And before you, or anyone else, goes off on the “suck it up, deal with the chick issues, and play… that’s what you’re paid for” tangent, let me just remind you that losing a loved one can send your whole life into a death spiral for a good long while. I know this from bitter personal experience.
Stick with the kid, support him, play well in front of him so he gets his swagger back, and let’s see what happens from here on out.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 16, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
dude
if it’s trouble with the wimmens that Halak is having he’s in deep. Shuttling him over to the east side for a poke every other night ain’t gonna help either. Shit his frontal cortex electrons are probably short circuiting all over his brain pan.
Just a chew toy for the hockey gods
in hockey it is teams that win
not players
but teams require the type of individual players who can load the rest of their buds on their backs for a game. for a week. hell for a month. there is no one on this team NO ONE. who can do that. there are players who look well when their linemates are doing well. and there are players on the team that can show flashes of skill.
but the blues do not have a game breaker. a go to guy. a player, hell they dont evne have a line, anyone needs to consistantly fear.
and maybe kolvy isnt that player. maybe hossa isn’t either. but the scoring mule we obviously need and needed even while winning, the scarey finisher or the hall of fame net minder. need to be plucked from the chest of another team. the soul we need will have to be ripped from the cold dead hands of an enemy gm
whose heart do we take? what soul do we steal. and what will it cost?
it will cost everything. EVERYTHING.
but then again not doing it will paradoxically cost more
once again the blues ownership have made me three promises
a) they will not be outworked
b) fan support is the final piece
and
c) every game counts
are all three of these promises being kept these days?
are any of them?
yea i’m bitchign again, and yea i know i’ll take shit for it, but comeone the most imporant home and home of the last two season produced THAT?!!?
THAT!?!?
fix it.
And a harvest of righteousness is grown from the seed of peace planted by peacemakers.
by Childhood Trauma on Feb 13, 2011 8:59 AM CST reply actions

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