Staring Into Oblivion: Where do the Blues go from here?
[This was the Letter From The Editor for last night's Game Time magazine. Paper. Whatever it is.]
Believe it or not, as professional and coherent as this publication usually is, we do not have any sort of staff meeting before every issue is prepared. While I imagine having this whole crew sitting in a conference room and going around the table talking about the major theme for the issue and the different aspects we'd all tackle would be absolutely hilarious, I'm not sure we collectively have the three hours available to sit through bizarre tangents, vehement and incoherent arguments and at least one death threat and four virgin jokes 41 times a year. Although the mental image of everyone sitting there and simultaneously tending to their various sugar gliders, rapidly drying lizards and kitties dressed up like humans is exciting and terrifying at the same time, there's just no way it'll ever happen.
I mean, I can't really have these people in my home, right?
And yet, somehow, themes occur in this paper. With absolutely no coordination, we sometimes have a synergy to our articles and jokes and other assorted bits that it seems like we must have planned it. Since we didn't plan it, it usually means one thing: The Blues are doing something so fantastic or fantastically terrible that we all have to discuss it. Such is the current theme tonight. From our headline to our bingo, you'll see echoes of the same idea: This team isn't as good as we thought it was, our rebuild wasn't as deep as we thought and these games this weekend are going to be a pretty big indicator of what the Blues will be doing when the trade deadline arrives in just two weeks.
I tend to be a pretty optimistic Blues fan. One who has a mean streak when it comes to making fun of our players, yes, but overall I tend to be the guy out there calling for calm as the ship clearly sails full steam into the iceberg. I also tend to be pretty apologetic for our players too. I was one of those people who bought into the Genius of Jarmo Kekalainen story. The players we drafted were clearly steals at the spots where we acquired them and clearly someday we were going to have an embarrassment of riches at nearly every position. The Blues were going to have so many good young guys that they wouldn't all fit onto the same NHL roster together. The Blues were going to have to trade some of them away eventually, either for more high draft picks or packaged together to bring in a superstar type talent to fit in with all of our other superstars.
Whoops.
Now I've grown fond of telling people, "Why do we need a first line when we can just roll out three second lines?" It always gets a good laugh, but it's one of those "Oh Fuck" kind of laughs. Unfortunately for us, we have a series of good second-line guys and zero superstar talents.
I know that some of you will immediately argue for the standard Blues model of building a hockey team in St. Louis. We love our blue-collar hockey teams. We like our Brian Sutters and our David Backes types. We don't want a fancypants scorer who won't backcheck and doesn't want to fight every now and then. I agree to an extent. Every team needs to have battlers and grinders and guys who score 20 goals but aren't afraid to fight.
But look at a game like the one in Tampa last weekend and you see why the Blues rebuild has failed and why we now have a problem on our hands. The Blues flat out outplayed the Lightning for the entire game. Blue-collar effort was winning puck battles and creating chances and getting all the little things done.
And then Steven Stamkos got loose for about 10 seconds and scored two goals. Vincent Lecavalier got one good chance and buried it. Two superstar players overcame a lackluster effort by the rest of their team and got them a win against a Blues team rolling out three second lines and just grinding away for 60-plus minutes. The injury excuse doesn't hold water anymore. David Perron has always been streaky and Carlo Colaiacovo has always been a middle-of-the-road defender. Add those two to Sunday's game and we probably have the same result.
The Blues hold the record for most consecutive playoff appearances in the NHL with 25. During that time they had colossal failures, like the President's Trophy team that went out in the first round, and overreaching teams that made it to the Conference Finals just twice (winning a total of three games in those two series). They were the worst kind of NHL mediocre - just bad enough to never threaten for a championship and just good enough to never draft very high. This rebuilt team has apparently put us back on track for more of the same - just good enough to get beat in the first round of the playoffs and not bad enough to get into the important part of the draft where you get to select a superstar.
Jarmo Kekalainen had the opportunity to use a lot of high draft picks to get impact players into the Blues pipeline. I'd argue that Erik Johnson is still finding his way and that Alex Pietrangelo looks to be the real deal-and possibly the only bona fide future perennial All-Star that he grabbed. The rest of his selections are on track to be excellent NHL second liners. Which is nice, but not quite what this franchise needed. Now we have a situation where management has to somehow get another team to fall for the ol' quantity-for-quality trick (I'd gladly give you three second-tier players for a superstar scorer. What say you, good sir?) or they have to try to grab one on the free agent market which hasn't exactly been this team's forte lately (Jay McKee and Paul Kariya still give me night sweats).
What's going to change? How do the Blues alter this path towards institutional mediocrity? Unfortunately, there are only three ways to do it and not one of them looks feasible right now. They can start drafting better (from the middle of the pack). They can trade for an impact player (hard to do as discussed). They can sign some impact free agents (hard to do when your owners are on a strict budget and you have to convince said free agent that your team isn't a middle of the pack group of second-tier talents).
So, excuse us for acting like we had a staff meeting before this issue. We didn't. We just all have ridden this ride before and we are all pretty sure how it ends.
Sean "not with a parade down Market" Gallagher
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But jesus, the posts around here have been a bunch of sad sack shit lately. If I wanted to see fans of one of my teams woe is me-ing, I’d go to the Cubs board.
Look, I’m not thrilled with the way the team has played all season, or with us losing a game we should have won yesterday. And yeah, still have holes to fill. But, honestly, I still find plenty in our teams talent to be optimistic about. Our defensive depth is good to great, we have arguably the hottest goalie prospect in the AHL waiting in the wings, and we’ve played a good percentage of the season without our 3 most skilled offensive players. While Perron has been inconsistent in the past, I think a lot of us were expecting him to get to that 30 goal area this year.
I don’t know, maybe it’s because I saw so many flashes of what we have the talent to do early in the season, but I’m far from off the bandwagon. We’ve got 6 points in our last 4 games, and we took both the L’s we were not far off from making that 8. With McDonald back we have 3 dangerous lines, the first time I’ve thought that since our first 10 games of the year. I’m not saying we are gonna make the playoffs, but I’m a hell of a lot more optimistic about this team now and long term then I am about my Cubs or Indiana U.
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by Novacain on Feb 12, 2011 10:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
ive never understood
why people arent allowed to have a negative opinion. this piece is just gallagher’s opinion. no one ever said this site was going to be like chinese news—nothing to see here, friends.
some folks are fed up. it happens. on the flip side, some folks arent fed it up. it’s all opinions and perspective.
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Good point.
As long as both your positive and negative opinions are backed with pretty good observations and stuff that can almost pass as fact, it’s all good.
That being said, why is it that commenters on the newspaper sites can’t do that? I guess because finding the papers’ blogs takes minimal effort, and the smarter fans seek out alternative opinions, but God. Every time I read the P-D’s comments, or the comments on the AJC’s website, I want to shoot myself. I actively pull blog posts from the AJC’s stories and mock them on SB Nation Atlanta. It’s like a sport.
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Differing opinions are fine....
but you and I both know there are certain people who come on to this site ONLY when things are going bad. They don’t show up at all during the GDT’s when the Blues win…but if the defense gives up 3 goals all of a sudden they show up. I have nothing wrong with Galagher’s take or even yours Joe (even though we disagree). You back your shit up. But you and I both know that Boyes could end up going on a major tear and there will still be people who would still shit on him. The sort of people who if we won 9-1 tonight would complain that Jaro gave up 1 bloody goal.
'I would not be bothered if we lost every game as long as we won the league.'
MARK VIDUKA
Boyes IS on a tear
Goddamnit, why can no one see this?
I concur
By a major tear I was meaning that he could end up equaling the numbers that we all were expecting him to put up year in and year out. I am very impressed though with his output. None the less it is still not good enough for some people
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by Jstats on Feb 12, 2011 6:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I used to work for AJC's online dept
what makes it more ridiculous is how many more ridiculous comments you don’t even see because they end up getting removed by editors for being intensely profane, making threats or otherwise violating posting agreements.
It’s well known within the industry that people who comment on newspaper websites are completely nuts.
by Perrowned on Feb 12, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
negative feedback for negative performance
I love this team, but not enough to be blind to the fact that they are failing. Standing behind your team should not interfere with your objectivity. The negativity expressed by the writers is part of why I love Game Time as much as I do. When I felt the way I did last night I can come to this site and not hear a bunch of bs about getting the much needed point in OT or how hard the team worked. I don’t want to hear it anymore. To improve, we must come to terms with the fact that lots of things are broken. We all love this team, but unconditional love is not going to make them better in this circumstance. We all have the right to vent at this point.
by Bluesincebaby on Feb 12, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly, I think this article is pretty accurate.
It looks like the Blues are settling back into mediocrity. Going into this weekend, I thought they would have to sweep this series to have a realistic shot at the playoffs. I’m not going to cheer against the team, but at this point I think they should sell off any impending UFAs at the deadline for picks and prospects, then let the kids play (code for get a high draft pick.) The only way out of this is to not finish in the dreaded 9-10-11 slots.
Free agents are a crapshoot, as evidenced by the McKee/Kariya signings. Since the lockout, I can hardly think of one big UFA signing where the team that inked the contrtact didn’t later regret it—Kovalchuk (so far), Huet, Gomez, Redden, Drury, Smyth, Bouwmeester, Commodore, Finger, Souray, Avery, Komisarek, Beauchamin, Kovalev, the list goes on.
There have been a few successes— Gaborik, Hossa (so far, check back in 2020), and Gionta to name a few, but good teams draft their own stars, and the Rangers and Leafs overpay shitty free agents.
Chris Mason ruined everything
The worst thing that could’ve happened to this team was making the playoffs in 2009. The Blues were in the early stages of the rebuild and still pretty below average. Before Mason went into Beast Mode, the Blues flirting with a high draft pick. Instead, Mason got hot the team went crazy and made the playoffs.
After that, it’s been all downhill. The kids got Murray fired, the cure of “flipping the switch” became real and most importantly, the Blues missed another chance to draft in the top 5. Can you imagine drafting Petro and say Evander Kane (4th overall) back to back?
RIght now the franchise is stuck in neutral. The team is full of guys who aren’t playing up to potential. We were sold the kids and the future and none of them, besides Petro, has made the leap from just “potential” to NHL star. You can say all you want that Perron could score 30 goals, but he hasn’t done it yet. That’s not a knock, but it’s disconcerting that all of the kids are still in that “I Don’t Know How This Player is Going to Turn Out Stage.”
EJ could be Chris Pronger, or Chris Phillips. T.J. Oshie could be a nothing more than a Cal Clutterbuck-type player, or a Pat Verbeek-type guy. Berglund could be a first- or second-line center, or he could be in the SEL in a year. We still don’t know and that’s frustrating.
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Am I the only one who doesn't question Berglund much?
I mean, he hasn’t been amazing this year, but he’s 4th on the team in points, already eclipsed last years point total by 7, and could make a run for his rookie point total when we were all incredibly high on him. And in the 9 games since Osh has been back, Berglund has been a point per game player. While questioning if Berg can be a good be a legit 1st liner is a legit question, I’m rather confident in him as a legit 2nd line center.
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by Novacain on Feb 12, 2011 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, you are the only one. He’s been very good for the past two weeks, and if it holds up for the rest of the season I’ll buy you a drink, but he doesn’t play to his size on a consistent basis and there are some nights where he doesn’t seem to want the play to move through him at all. I expected more from him (basically the way he’s played lately, just all season) in a contract year. I’ve said to a few friends that maybe if we had only Berglund or only Boyes disappointing us we might be able to live with it, but both of them, and in our top 6 to boot, is a lot to overcome up front.
Berg and Boyes combined point total last year: 68
Boyes and Berglunds combined point total with 29 games to go this year: 68.
Boyes has been a shitty sniper this year, but he leads the team in assists, and Berg has rebounded from a terrible year last year with at least a solid year this go around. Neither have been setting the world on fire, but I strongly disagree with the idea of pointing at them and saying “there’s the problem”.
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by Novacain on Feb 12, 2011 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Combining players stats is a very strange argument considering the disparity between the two last year (boyes 42, berg 26) . It would suggest mostly that Berglund is playing better this year and he had nowhere to go but up.
These players are both very streaky so who knows where they will end up, but if you really want to combine them anything less than 100 between those two would be a failure considering the larger roles they’ve played on the team this year (or at least should have played) due to the injuries sustained to our forward corps, but they could still reach that mark.
Figuring the Blues only had one player who had 50 points at all last year...
I’d say that’s a little unfair.
Honestly, I know everyone wants somebody to blame for this season, but just to put it in perspective, out of our top 5 goal scores last season, 3 of them have missed extended periods of time, and one of them is in semi-retirement. Sometimes it’s as simple as that. Yeah, there have been players who have been a bit of a let down (EJ, Jaro), but there have been players who have been pleasent surprises too (Petro, Winchester). Sometimes, injruies happen and fuck everything up.
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by Novacain on Feb 12, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
im gonna chime in here
jaro to be honest cant be blamed for a let down to me…when you have injuries to the defense, and have players leaving holes playing defense a goalie is gonna get lit up every time…a goalie is only as effective has the defense is in front of him
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When???
When are we at least going to start considering that Halak is not as good as everyone thought?
by Bluesincebaby on Feb 12, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think the point is that it is MUCH too soon to tell how good Halak is going to be.
He’s still pretty young, by goalie standards, and this is his first season of being the sole #1 guy. His first season in the Western Conference.
And he has gotten some downright fucking pathetic play in front of him at times. Has he played perfectly? No. But what 1st-year starter does? More importantly – he’s shown he does have the talent & the instincts to be a true #1. His positioning overall is already better than Mason. If he can learn how to defend high glove-side, and if the team can learn how to defend to play to his strengths, we will be just fuckin’ FINE as far as netminding goes.
It is early,
and I will try to be more patient with Halak. But I remember the blues depending on Mason a lot last season, and for the most part he played as we expected him to. My disappointment probably has more to do with expectations. I don’t think anyone at the beginning of the season was saying " Man, Halak is good right now, he was good last post season, but I can’t wait until he settles in and grows into a great player." We were all expecting to see the play that he put on in the 09-10 post season. At least we knew what we were getting when we put Mason in net. I think Halak’s positioning is one of his biggest problems. He seems lazy or out of position right up until the shot.
by Bluesincebaby on Feb 13, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you even said yourself they are on pace for it, so I don’t see how it’s unfair to expect 32 points out of two top six forwards in 29 games. That’s essentially one point per game between the two of them, how is that unfair at all?
And I’m not blaming those two at all, theres a lot of blame to be spread around, but to be honest the blues are performing about how I would expect them to given their roster. Am I disappointed? Yes, but not necessarily at any given player, just that we seem to put out the same squad every year and expect different results. You just said it all, the blues had one player who had 50 points last year, and with no additions up front people expected something different than a struggle into the playoffs?
After that, it’s been all downhill. The kids got Murray fired, the cure of "flipping the switch" became real and most importantly, the Blues missed another chance to draft in the top 5. Can you imagine drafting Petro and say Evander Kane (4th overall) back to back?
Hey, if you want, talk to some of the nutty-ass Thrasher fans who want to trade Zach Bogosian – and who were the same ones who freaked when the team traded Zhitnik. Can you imagine – EJ, Petro, and Bogosian together on a blueline? Good GOD. I’d be thrilled if that could happen.
The problem with Bogosian is the same problem with some of our young stars in STL – EJ, Perron, and Oshie all got their developments screwed up with injuries. Those three, and Berglund, were also tossed straight into the NHL while Petro had time to develop properly. It’ll take more time, then, for the Blues’ young talent to show accurately what they’re made of, so the question is if people have patience enough to wait, or if the waiting’s even worth it.
The Blues need a scorer. I know Brad Boyes is supposed to be that guy, and I’m thrilled that he’s added depth to his game, but we do need someone reliable and consistent. Someone who can fit into the team, but also manage to score once in a while. Is that the only think that the Blues need? Fuck and no, but would it probably help a bit? Of course.
Do I regret drafting Johnson over Toews or Jordan Staal? Nah. Would the Blues benefit from a player in the mold of Toews or Staal? Absolutely.
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^^^^^^THIS!!!^^^^^^^
Remember how PATIENCE was always flying out of managements mouth? This is why. These guys have to learn how to live, work & grow in the NHL, the winning is coming. Bergs & EJ were def affected by being rushed into the league & then EJ was lucky enough to blow up his knee & sit out A WHOLE SEASON, his “sophomore year” if you will. Berglund still looks like a legit 1/2, but with rushing these guys we are lucky we don’t have a team of Ryan Carters. This isn’t a movie & we aren’t the Pens or Hawks, we need to have the patience now so they don’t blow it up to appease the fanbase & ruin it like those owners we remember so fondly around here. I’m mad too, & NO, I don’t think every decision has been good/great/perfect, BUT I very much believe the Notes headed in the right direction. The 1st couple seasons this ownership took over don’t really count, the previous regime gutted it for all the talent there was. This 1 & the last couple years are the bad years b/c we get to watch the growing pains, young men trying to figure out how to win & survive in the greatest league in the world. Not everything will go exactly as planned, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STICK TO THE PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This May Mean Something...
JR mentioned in his Q and A on Thursday that the Blues, like many teams, have suffered multiple injuries and had to plow through them. Other “good” teams find a way to win without those injured players. The Blues, on the other hand, have not found that path. Could it be argued that the Blues aren’t necessarily lacking in super-star level talent, but are lacking in “depth” talent?
Instead of trying to sign the big name player with the big contract, could the Blues get along well enough, i.e playoff appearances and at least some playoff success, with more / better second line guys versus the plethora of 3rd and 4th liners we currently employ?
I see a team that succeeds when the D’Agostini’s, Winchester’s and Sobotka’s are playing well. If we could upgrade that level of our team, such as dropping Crombeen, Janssen, and any of the other AHL call-ups we’ve seen this season, we could get through these injuries and make a stronger run.
A Cup run? Doubtful. But a couple of seasons of playoff revenue and a crafty GM may at least get us to the point of needing that one last player that we’d be able to afford. Then, we’re ready to make the run and seriously challenge for the Cup.
But...
how often do other teams have an ENTIRE top line missing? Yes injuries themselves are not a valid excuse because they do happen but the freakiness of losing Oshie, Frenchy and Happy Meal for an extended period overlapping like they did does not make it your normal “injury situation”. It’s one thing if Oshie went down for 20 games and then after he came back then DP got hurt and so on. Unfortunately it didn’t happen that way. This isn’t your normal story here
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I agree w/this.
I very much believe that if folks could just endure the growing pains happening now that they’d find that this team isnt much more than a natural goal scorer away. Thats a tall order to fill, but so is having a pure goal scorer & a team around him that doesn’t play a 2way game committed to the system. They’ve been aquiring quality players, whats shaping up is that the pure goal scoring guy might not be there, although I’m very excited to see the unveiling of T-90 next year.
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Aside from last night's shit show on Long Island
the Pens have managed to win the majority of their games without Crosby and Malkin, easily two bigger factors on the ice than McDonald, Perron, or any other injured Blue. And those aren’t their only injuries, either (plus now at least Goddard suspended for 10 games), to the point that there are articles now about how their AHL affiliate (WBS) is completely depleted from all the call-ups.
That's great....
only one problem with your logic. You mentioned only two forwards. That’s not an entire line. If we were talking about two players missing at once then you would have a valid point…however the discussion was about an entire line. And even if we were I think we would all agree that the Penguins are at a bit higher level than we are and have been for quite some time.
'I would not be bothered if we lost every game as long as we won the league.'
MARK VIDUKA
Holy god dude, you are better than this, you’ve been around a while and I’m sure you know your shit, but if this is your actual reply to his argument after you’ve had some time to think about it then you are genuinely bent and this whole site is irrelevant. For you to say that losing Crosby and Geno is somehow not the same or a lesser loss than our “first line” (on a team in which the top scorer had 57 points last year, mind you) is completely retarded. I know the discussion was about an entire line, but it was about an entire line on the St. Louis Blues of now, not the damn Oilers of 85.
Hockey Conventional Wisdom
Says that goalies take the longest to develop … then D-Men … and then Forwards require the least amount of time to get up to NHL speed. Therefore, a team rebuilding through the draft will work on the back-end first, and once that is considered fairly secure, THEN you start plugging in forwards.
When we’ve had those lotto picks, we’ve spent them on D-men. We have Jake Allen percolating in the AHL. Assuming that the new guys in the Blues FO keep with the plan, I’d expect those 1st rounders to be mostly forwards in the coming drafts.
In the meantime, the ones that are already playing have to grow and mature and be ready when all of those pieces come together. Unfortunately, the greatest growth comes from making mistakes and learning from them. Last year was a good case in point. This year holds other lessons.
We’ll get there, boys and girls … we’ll get there.
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