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What will the Blues do at the trade deadline?

With less than two weeks before the NHL's trade deadline teams are already making moves to change their near and long term futures. Ottawa and Toronto are willing to trade everything down to the team bus in an effort to rebuild their faltering franchises. The Philadelphia Flyers added a guy who helped beat them in the Finals last year in Kris Versteeg as they load up to compete for another trip to the championship round. Even teams that don't know what they are right now, like the Chicago Blackhawks and Florida Panthers, are swapping players to try to boost their lineups.

But what about the Blues? Once again they have seemingly sunk themselves into a pit too deep to climb out of to make a playoff appearance. And yet, mathematically, they could make themselves relevant by stringing together a few wins. Odds are that by Feb. 28 the Blues will know whether they have a legitimate shot at a playoff spot or not. If they do, don't expect any trades short of the kind of minor league deals they've made in the past.

If, however, the playoffs remain a longshot by then, odds are that the Blues will make at least a move or two. As GM Doug Armstrong has said, he's always looking to improve his club. What better day to do it than when plenty of other GMs are feeling the pressure to make a move and are more likely to overpay or make a short-sighted deal?

That said, Armstrong probably only has a couple of trades to make on or before the deadline. There are the easy to make trades of players who are unrestricted free agents at the end of the year and who could be coveted by other teams for their playoff runs. There are also a couple players who are under contract but would be wanted by other teams; these guys would take a stronger push from the other team's GM to get a deal done. Finally, there are trades that could be made, but would take major overpayment to make happen. These, obviously, are the least likely to happen, but we'll address them just for the sake of being thorough.

 

Most Likely To Be Traded.

Ty Conklin

Eric Brewer

Conklin is an unrestricted free agent this summer, is unlikely to be re-signed by the Blues and is a commodity that teams want before the playoffs: a strong backup goalie who knows exactly what his role is, can step into bad situations on a moment's notice and play well and a guy with a reputation for being "good in the locker room."

The Blues have Ben Bishop in Peoria who could come up and assume the backup role for the rest of the season, so they would not require a goalie back in any deal. The Blues would likely want a young player with promise back in the deal, but will probably have to settle for a draft pick of some sort. Several teams could use a backup goalie, so playing them off one another might be the best way to maximize the pick received as compensation.

Cribbing from Kevin McGran's breakdown of team needs, a few clubs could be looking for a backup goalie like Conklin, including Anaheim and Detroit (when was the last Blues-Wings trade? Federko/Oates?)

As for Brewer, he's an unrestricted free agent who may or may not be re-signed by the Blues this summer, but trading him doesn't necessarily exempt that from happening, as we've seen with Keith Tkachuk. Brewer has a no trade clause in his contract, but the draw to compete for a Stanley Cup is a big motivator and Brewer might be willing to waive it to go chase one (newborn child at home or not).

For the Blues, trading Brewer is a classic example of selling high. Brewer has struggled his entire time in St. Louis, due mainly to injuries which, we're told, are finally all cleared up. He is having a career season, having already tied his career-high goal total (8) and is a plus-rated player for just the second time in his career (yes, that's true). To the outside world, he is a big, mobile defensive defenseman who can move the puck up ice and has a hard, if not terribly accurate shot from the point. He has tons of NHL experience with over 700 NHL games played and he has been the team's captain for years, so he brings leadership to the mix too.

Shhhh.

Teams looking for those qualities could be interested in Brewer and given those credentials, how would you say he stacks up against the credentials of a player like Mike Fisher, who garnered a 1st round pick when he was traded?

The Blues would probably love to get players rather than picks at this point, and players with offensive upside over defensive players (which the system is overstocked with already) but will likely find teams dangling pick packages rather than players. using the same list as before, teams thought to be looking for defensive help include Vancouver, Nashville and Chicago (never happen, though trading Brewer to the Blackhawks would make a lot of Blues fans smile). 

 

A Player Who Could Be Traded.

Brad Boyes

Boyes has frustrated fans and management for two seasons now and for the better part of those years fans would have been happy to see him move on to a different team. Only no other team wanted an overpaid, underachieving winger who can backcheck but doesn't do a lot else when he's not scoring.

Now, of course, Boyes has gotten on a hot streak and has moved up to third on the team scoring list this year. He has managed to contribute to the offense by setting players up when he's not scoring and teams looking for some depth scoring (and hoping for a jump from a change of scenery for a notoriously streaky scorer) mighht be willing to take a flier on Boyes, who is still under contract next year for another $4 million cap hit.

With the market for scorers of even mediocre skill (Kris Versteeg - 14 g, 35 p; Fisher -  14 g, 25 p) set at a 1st round pick (plus), asking that for Boyes and his 11 goals and 36 points isn't even that outrageous any more. The Blues, again, will be trying to squeeze a potential scorer out of any team calling for a deal, but that'll be hard to come by unless someone gets desperate. 

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Players Less Likely To Be Traded.

Brad F. Winchester

Cam Janssen

B.J. Crombeen

The first two of these players are unrestricted free agents this summer, but probably don't have much use to teams in the playoffs. Winchester can stand in front of the net and let pucks bounce off him and into the net, but his nine goals aren't likely to attract a lot of attention from many teams. He'd be used more as a fourth liner and a power play specialist with most of those teams and most of those teams already have their power play unit set.

Janssen has proven to be a fighter and little else. While his fights are wildly entertaining and there's no questioning the guy's heart in his willingness to go with anyone at any time for his teammates, no playoff team has a need for a fighter.

Crombeen could be desired by a playoff team looking for grit, but that'll be pretty low on most team's want lists. He's a restricted free agent this summer, but his play is admired by the team and trading him isn't likely to help the Blues in any significant way.

 

Players Who Won't Be Traded.

Jaroslav Halak

Alex Pietrangelo

David Backes

T.J. Oshie

Alex Steen

Of these players all but one have been committed to long-term by the Blues within the last year and it's a bad message to send to your teams and potential free agents if you sign guys and then immediately trade them. They also represent parts of the team that would be bad public relations to give away: the team's starter and hopeful franchise goaltender in Halak, the team's de facto and likely future captain in Backes, the team's heart and hardest worker in Steen and the potential franchise cornerstone defenseman in Pietrangelo.

The other player, T.J. Oshie, would be a PR nightmare if traded. One of the team's most popular player and a fan favorite, he is an engine that revs the rest of the team when he is in the lineup. He's due for a new contract this summer, but he hasn't done enough to demand an unreasonable contract, so the Blues will be able to afford to keep him and keep him in the lineup.

Whatever return that could be gotten for these players wouldn't offset the hole created and negative feelings created if they were moved.

Players Who Teams Would Have To Overpay To Get.

Andy McDonald

Jay McClement

Patrik Berglund

Vladimir Sobotka

Matt D'Agostini

Barret Jackman

Erik Johnson

Carlo Colaiacovo

Roman Polak

Nikita Nikitin

These players represent a core group who are not untouchable, but will be more expensive to teams who want them either because they are players still considered important to the rebuild of the franchise (Berglund, Johnson), are established players who contribute consistently and are veteran presences on the team (McDonald, Jackman, Colaiacovo) or are young guys who are contributing and progressing and expected to be better next year (Sobotka, D'Agostini, Polak, Nikitin). As for McClement, he would likely attract attention from teams if made available because of his defensive prowess, young age and reasonable contract. His skills are needed by playoff teams and he'd likely garner interest, but if the Blues were to trade him, they'd immediately have to try to find another player to fill that shutdown center role and would therefore create more problems than solutions with that deal.

All that said, these players could probably be considered. Johnson and Berglund have both struggled this year, but both have shown flashes of becoming better, more consistent players. If traded, they'd bring back the biggest return of anyone on the team aside from the players denoted as 'untradeable' above, but giving up on Johnson, especially, is a move that would likely come back to haunt Blues fans and management.

Teams might very well place some feeler calls to the Blues on McDonald, Jackman and Colaiacovo, as they all probably are attractive to playoff teams. If the Blues were to move any of them, the return would likely be impressive. Any offer for these guys would have to be a 1st round pick and players based on how the market is currently set.

As for Sobotka, et al, they wouldn't pull down first round picks, but trading them for other middling assets doesn't do the Blues any good as they have all stepped up and had years that could be desribed as emerging. There's no reason to believe they won't be better next year, so why would they be moved for a package that would be middling at best?

 

In summary, the Blues have some decisions to make in the next 12 days. It's a guarantee that they'll field some calls from GMs who covet some Blues players. Some of the offers will be easy to accept and some will be easy to reject. But there will likely be a couple that could alter the look of the franchise for years to come. What will they do when they get those calls? What would you do?

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i can't say i disagree with any of these points

good shit gallagher

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by ilikeboyes on Feb 16, 2011 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

i like boyes...a lot... but it seems as if he has lost his confidence.IMO

he passes more than he ever use to…which is nice…but i am pretty sure we did not get him for his assists. he is a best in shootouts…but then again, i hate shootouts

by socalblues on Feb 17, 2011 2:56 AM CST up reply actions  

11 goals

it surprised me, but it’s true. 11 goals and 37 points does not a first liner make. Hot streak or not, someone floats a 1stie out there for him, I say you take it.

by gallagher on Feb 18, 2011 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

A conklin deal might be out now.....

looks as if Halak is hurt….no idea on how bad yet…..

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/morning-skate/article_17ac0772-39f2-11e0-a562-00127992bc8b.html

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by dablues7 on Feb 16, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

While I agree that Pietrangelo is untouchable...

… the Blues haven’t had to make any commitment to him recently. He’s on the first year of his ELC. It’s a shame that being remanded to juniors twice forced him to forfeit Calder eligibility, because he’s every bit a rookie in the financial sense.

As for WWAD: If I’m him, I’ve got a list very similar to this one in my office. For the top two categories, I’m not waiting for the phone to ring; I’m figuring out which teams might want Brewer or Boyes or Conklin, and what they have to offer in return. Then I’m calling ‘em up and initiating the conversations. Even if the Blues go on a rest-of-February tear, it would be difficult if not impossible to leap into the top 8 by the 28th; so standing pat before the deadline doesn’t seem like a good option.

Bottom line is this: The roster, as currently constructed, isn’t going to win anything of consequence. We knew that before the season; but the optimistic viewpoint was that collective maturity, plus the Tank on the horizon, might be enough to break through. But this group would have to be better than they’ve shown in 2010-11 in order to maintain that optimism; so the Blues are need another boost of future talent. If you can make the team better long-term by trading a guy who isn’t in the long-term plans, do it.

by BleedBlue42 on Feb 16, 2011 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

I think someone will be moved. I think the smart move is to move Conks (although I hate to see him go) and bring up Bishop. I would also shop Brewer and possibly Cola (if the return was right) to a team like Washington that ALWAYS needs defenseman.

As you guys said above standing still at the deadline does us NO good and its about impossible to make it at this point. I say sell while teams may overpay and we can get something.

I would also be looking long and hard at Ottawa, if they moved Fisher, Spezza and Alffredson (sp?) may also not be untouchable. If you could get someone like that without giving up to much…. And I still say we should take a run at Peter Regin.

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by BluesTiger on Feb 16, 2011 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

One of my questions is

What happens if we move Brewer or Cola? Sure we’re okay for this season since our chances of making the playoffs is slim, but the front office has shown that we won’t(and probably shouldn’t) play 5 defensemen under the age of 30.

I’d almost like to see a guy like brewer and conk’s go just so we can get something back for two players that have a good chance to leave at the end of the season.

by Holiday86 on Feb 16, 2011 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Trade the entire roster for Ovechkin or Crosby,

And then bring up all the kids from the Rivermen…pretty simple.

by #74forthewin on Feb 16, 2011 5:12 PM CST reply actions  

Kevin McDonald isn't too thrilled about it, however...

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 16, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

This is my first post,

but I’ve been a committed reader for months now. This site is great and your hard work is appreciated.

I just wanted to know what you guys think the chances are that the Blues go after someone like Zach Parise. He’d be a perfect addition to our young team. He’d be hard to get in anything other than a trade (he’s still a restricted free agent, so NJ could just match our offer) however, by signing Kovy to his monster deal, it doesn’t leave much cap room for a new deal for Parise.

The Blues have our own issues too (no new investors, never spending to the cap ceiling, not wanting to get rid of prospects, etc.), but of any team in the NHL (besides NJ) we probably have the best chance of trading for him and of re-signing him to a big money/multi-year contract.

We’d probably have to give up high picks and/or possibly EJ (I love him and I’m not giving up on him, but getting Parise would be worth it seeing as NJ needs good young D as bad as we need scoring). What do you guys think? Is it possible/would it be worth it?

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by YellowHead517 on Feb 16, 2011 6:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

The price for Parise would be way too high.

If I was the Devils my starting price would be our First, Petro/Johnson, Oshie/Perron/Berglund, and Schwartz/Tarasenko/Allen. Would you trade our First, Johnson, Berglund, and Allen for Parise?

It is possible, but not worth it. If we had serious interest we would be a favorite because of our assets, but we would lose way too much for it to be worth it. When healthy and everyone is playing the way they should we are a great defensive team with enough offense to get it done.

Allen is a great backup plan if Halak isn’t the answer. Johnson in my opinion will develop like Pronger. Petro is a legit stud. Oshie, Perron, and Berglund are all progessing nicely. Schwartz and Tarasenko have shown a ton of potential. Our first round pick could potentially fetch us a 30 goal winger. In the long run a Parise deal would not be worth it.

by mulax6 on Feb 16, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

^^ This ^^
In the long run a Parise deal would not be worth it.

Plus, since Jersey isn;t going anywhere this year, and Parise is out for much of what remains of the season, what incentive do the devils have to trade him unless the Blues overpay as you describe above.

I’d love to have Zack Parise in the ’Note, but not at the cost of such a huge chunk of the present and future.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 16, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I see your point...

I guess it was only well-wishing that a deal could be struck with NJ for Parise in exchange for our 1st and maybe 3rd pick in this upcoming draft (since I’ve heard that this is a weak draft class) and someone like EJ or Ian Cole.

 I figured since I don’t think NJ will have kind of money to re-sign him and we’re one of few teams that has the cap room, they might be more flexible. I know it’s far-fetched, but the Note has to do something, however, if what you’re predicting is accurate to get Parise (our 1st, Johnson, Berglund, & Schwartz/Tarasenko/or Allen) of course my answer would be HELL NO.

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by YellowHead517 on Feb 16, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Parise will be an RFA.

And NJ has over $9M in cap space next year, not counting the cap escalator and other roster moves. If they can’t get Parise’s name on the dotted line, they’ll let someone else negotiate with Zach and then match the offer sheet.

The Devils have some major cap issues, but they’re not backed into a corner yet.

by BleedBlue42 on Feb 16, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks,

for the clarification. I forgot that Langenbrunner is off the books now too. I knew it would be a longshot, and if it were possible, could come at too steep of a price.

Anyway, I was just throwing it out there to hear some other opinions on the matter.

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by YellowHead517 on Feb 16, 2011 11:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

However

If something happens where the Devils can’t resign him, then making a run would be a GREAT idea at him. Not to mention we’d have the Team American Line of Backes, Oshie, and Parise.

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by BluesTiger on Feb 17, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me

or is anyone else nervous even TALKING about the NJ Devils.
If Lou finds out, we are going to wind up giving them our 1st round picks just for talking….
Fuckers.

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by DanGNR on Feb 17, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Or

we would have to give them Petro and Oshie.

by mulax6 on Feb 17, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If we can get a decent first for Boyes,

I say do it. We could free up some cap space and potentially use the 2 first round picks to move up and take a high impact forward or if our scouting team continues to do its thing, we could get 2 good players.

by mulax6 on Feb 16, 2011 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

If Mike Fisher and Kris Versteeg are worth first-round picks...

…then Brad Bioyes and potentially Eric Brewer are worth first-round picks as well.

I’d propose:

To BOS
Eric Brewer
STL 1st

To STL
Joe Colborne
TOR 1st owned by BOS

The TOR pick should be a lottery pick, whereas the Blues’ pick probably won’t be. That offsets the difference between the value of Brewer (especially to Boston) and that of a rookie pro in Colborne (a solid LW prospect with size).

If the Blues could also get a first-rounder for Boyes, that gives the scouts two chances at an impact player in the first round, one in the top five. In the top five, the Blues will have a crack at one of: Gabriel Landeskog, Sean Couturier, Tyler Biggs (a guy I’m liking more and more the more I hear about him), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, or Jonathan Huberdeau.

In order, I’d like Landeskog, Couturier, and Biggs. Huberdeau is good, so is Nugent-Hopkins, but both have some size concerns.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 16, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The more I think about it...

…the more I wouldn’t mind seeing the Blues get Couturier, and get started on their own “French Connection” line with him and Perron. Find themselves another Francophone to play RW, and il est comme Donkey Kong.

I like Biggs an awful lot too, though… the Blues have never gone wrong drafting Americans in the first round, Big Johnson hate nothwithstanding.

B.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 17, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Couturier coukld be a home-grown Pierre Turgeon for the Blues...

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 17, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends...

If the Blues can swing a deal with Boston to get that TO pick, they might still have a crack at him.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 17, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

...but, that's why I like Biggs more and more.

He’s projected as a top ten pick, and as it stands now, the Blues should have a good chance of getting a pick that high.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 17, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

The best thing is that there is a lot of forwards, especially wingers that are ranked around where we will be drafting. We will be able to take the best player available and it will also happen to be a need as well.

by mulax6 on Feb 17, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Winchester has played him self to some value.

Not 1st round value, but if King was worth SDR, Winchester has to be worth a solid prospect too, right?

Trading Brewer makes sense, even though I like Brewbot, and I’d be for dealing Boyes too. While Been hasn’t had a great year, I don’t think we’d get much value for him, and I’d rather keep him around then Big BradM

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by Novacain on Feb 16, 2011 9:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

While Winchester has played better than last year...

I don’t see him having that much value to a contender. Because of our ridiculous injuries he’s gotten a lot more ice time, particularly on the powerplay. I don’t see him getting that sort of playing time anywhere else. What value he has is probably as a veteran winger with a very low cap hit.

by PersonalJustice on Feb 16, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would Brewer want to leave?

I can’t think of any reason why Brewer would accept a trade. He just had a baby, so I’m sure his wife doesn’t want him gone more than he has to be. If he accepts a trade, his job doesn’t end in April, it ends up to two months later. As an upcoming free agent, that’s two more months he can get hurt in and make him worthless as a free agent. The playoff money can’t be worth that much to him.

If he’s leaving STL, he’s gonna want to have all summer to talk it over with his wife. I don’t picture him approving a deal at the deadline.

If he wants to win a cup, he’ll be able to pick a team to go to next year that gives him a chance.

Trading him makes sense for the Blues, but it makes zero sense for the Brews. (Sorry that’s terrible)

by FinsRule on Feb 16, 2011 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

Ha.

Yes.

Brad Winchester? Yeah.

by heycarrieann8 on Feb 17, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd... and Green like the Iranian Freedom Movement and Stephanie MacMillan's weekly cartoon...

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by Tomorrows Blues on Feb 17, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

A question about return

What do we honestly want back in a trade? We are set on defense and even if we remove Brewer next year we just replace him with Cole or Junland. In goal we have Halak and Bishop/Allen. Everyone has confidence goalie and defense we are set on, the players we have in those position are currently or will in the future be playoff contender caliber players. Our bottem two lines are pretty damn good and I don’t see how we can upgrade them much. Just leaving ofcourse our top two lines. Oshie, Berg, and Backes are a playoff caliber second line. Perron was on track to prove hes a legit first line player. The odd men out are Happy Meal and Boyes. Andy Mac can stay but we somehow gotta get someone with top line potential to replace boyes. Who do we trade to do it though? Brewer and a first(if we miss the playoffs we will probably draft 10th) for Semin? We cant just pick up some mediocre 20 goal guy because thats what Boyes brings. We would have to find a way to get a 30-35 goal scoring star in here to upgrade.

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by Icion on Feb 17, 2011 8:27 AM CST reply actions  

To get a 30-35 goal scorer

or Semin for example, it will cost a lot more than Brewer and a First. Semin will cost what Parise costs and we have already agreed it is too much for this team to handle.

by mulax6 on Feb 17, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

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