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Wondering What The Blues Will Do Next 48 Hours

It's a weird time for the St. Louis Blues as we head into the first round of the NHL Draft tonight. Let's go all bullet style. 

 

  • The first weird thing affecting some decisions today is the fact that the Blues' first round pick is now Colorado's after the Erik Johnson and Jay McClement for Chris Stewart and Kevin Shattenkirk. No second-guessing that trade, totally in favor of it. Absolutely no regrets. Thanks, Colorado. We hope you pick a really skinny kid with acne problems. 
  • As a result of other deals, the Blues have five picks in the second and third rounds combined. While critics say this is not a deep draft for blue-chip prospects, there's still some depth to be found. They can't all be super stars. In fact, most years, deep draft or not, 99 percent of players drafted don't become stars. So the Blues could add some decent prospects...
  • Or the Blues could be in a dealing mood. They could package a couple of picks for a roster player. Does a couple of twos and threes equal a one? You never know. But I would seriously doubt the team will be dealing any guys off the NHL roster for picks. They need players that can play now. 
  • Oh yeah, there's that ownership thing. Remember, the Blues are for sale? You could argue that anything the team does now is just kind of buying time until a group or individual (anybody good friends with Mark Cuban?) comes in and has some cash flow for this team. They've been handcuffed for a couple of summers now. That's not likely to change without new money in the owner's box. 
  • The salary cap went up past $64 million (remember when it was just south of $40 million?). That means the salary floor is up above $48 million. Now according to Capgeek, the Blues have $40.9 million committed for next year. That's minus a backup goaltender, some restricted free agents in Peoria and re-signing all of their NHL RFAs. That list is Ryan Reaves (no doubter), Matt D'Agostini (no doubter) and T.J. Oshie (no doubter, right? RIGHT?) What that means is that the Blues need some players, even accounting for some bonuses and stuff that will artificially inflate their cap number, to hit the salary floor. I hate talking about a team that has to have a plan to reach the salary floor. Are we Royals fans? 

 

So that's what could happen. I think the Blues will try to make a move. Doug Armstrong knows he needs to keep improving this team. He didn't draft these players. He's not emotionally invested in them with a long track record of shaking their hand on draft day and watching them sign their first pro contract and smiling when they make their NHL debut. All that sappy shit we dig as fans, that's not his place in the organization right now. That's how he could trade Erik Johnson. That's why he could trade T.J. Oshie. But I don't think he will. The difference in the team's play with Oshie on the ice and when he was out was stark. Patrik Berglund looked lost without him. He's terrific on the penalty kill, can play the second power play unit and provides a spark. The guy has a mix of skills few have. It would have to be a blockbuster deal. Or the Blues think Oshie will never play 80 games in a season. Those are the only two ways an Oshie deal would happen. 

Sure, it would be exciting to see the Blues make headlines with a big deal like the Kings and Blue Jackets pulled off Thursday (Rick Nash has not stopped smiling). But let's keep our heads, people. 

So in the comments, what do you want to happen? This is your place to play fantasy GM, gnash your teeth and hang out before the draft when the Blues don't pick Friday night. Have fun. A GDT for the draft will be up before the thing starts. 

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What I want the team to do is hard, because there are many things, and I don't think we can do all of them.

I want us to trade for an RFA Top 6 Forward. That’s not exactly easy, because nobody really has those up for sale unless you wanna pay out the ass. If that fails, look for at least a top 9 forward in free agentcy. Ville Leino would be ideal, but I’m guessing he’s going to be out of our price range.

I want a defensive D-Man. But, make no mistake, that doesn’t mean I don’t like our current core. If we were forced to, I wouldn’t be reluctant to run with Petro/Shat/Polak/Jackman/Cole/Nikitin next year. Perfect world, we make a move to get a solid defensive D-Man, and run with 7 quality defensemen, altering playing time. Honestly, I wouldn’t be against trying to sign Brewer again as long as it’s short term and not excessive money, as he basically fits the void he left.

I would also like for us to be open minded at any possible buy lows. The Blues seem to be able to find guys that need a change of scenery and help them excell. While I doubt Atlanapeg would be willing to part with Bogosion, I wouldn’t be against keeping an eye on Turris in Phoenix, though I’m not sure what the price would be for him. Course these are grand examples, when if we do make a move like this, it will be much less markey.

I want us to go ahead and lock up D’Agostini to a contract for a year, maybe 2, at around 2 mill, and see if he can play his way to a better deal. On the Oshie front, I honestly wouldn’t be against letting him test free agentcy. If anyone wants to go over the threshold that means we get a 1st and a 3rd, I’d let him him walk (unless it’s a team you think that first will only result in a bottom 5 first round pick I suppose). I love Teej, but he is our 7th best forward right now when we are healthy. And that’s if you put him above Dagger, which isn’t a complete slam dunk.

Oh, and I want someone to, you know, buy the fucking team so we don’t have to deal with penny pinching. Though I don’t expect that to happen.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Just realized I forgot Cola in our defensive writeup...

Which actually made me think if actually we might consider trading one of our defensemen in a deal to try to get a legit forward. I think we basically have 7 NHL ready defensemen on our roster right now. Maybe give Cole another year in the AHL? I don’t really think he needs it, but I still think we need one more play on D

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

What will the Blues do in the next 48 hours ...

Besides looking for loose change in the hotel couches? Probably not a lot. I don’t see them being very active. They’ll probably use their draft picks and call it a weekend.

by averagejoe on Jun 24, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

army been talking for a while about doing something

which indicates that he will, i just dojn’t know what! he has, a different times, hinted the blues were looking to move up in the draft, trade players, get everyone resigned, pick up a forward etc

the thing that makes me think army is actually going to do one, is that he is telling the press, and therefore the fans. he bveen arround too long to do that on accident.

you don’t tell the ticket buyers you are loaded for bear, and come home from your trip with a bag of squirrels,

the most recent and consistant press quotes and half-quotes are that the blues are looking to trade depth for a player

the blues depth? youth and defense. and goalie prospects (which i dont think have the value today they once did)

so what happened to the move-up idea in the draft? too expensive? the players the want much more than the ones they could currently get wont last past pick 17? someone gave him money to spend on a player?

no idea, but again if i had to place a bet today, i’d say the blues come out of the draft with an extra vet player and missing a pair of picks

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by Childhood Trauma on Jun 24, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It takes two to trade...

… and only one to get cold feet. If Army can sweet-talk another GM into bending over like Greg Sherman did, we’ll see a trade. What we don’t need are trades for the sake of trades.

If there aren’t any bears in the woods, better to come home with squirrels than nothing.

by BleedBlue42 on Jun 24, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has scouts and contacts

if the tellin him “there be bears”

there better be bears :)

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by Childhood Trauma on Jun 24, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pure speculation

If Army is making a move at the draft to improve the roster, I’m hoping the priority goes:

1) Top six forward: Names that jump out to me are Parise and Spezza, although i’ll be pleased with anybody that fits the top 6 mold. In the case of Team America’s Parise, whether or not a deal could be reached could alter the return greatly. Generally speaking, return would need to be 2 or 3 picks (one or two of this years 2nd rounders and next year’s first) plus one of our top prospects (and any team would be stupid not to try and pry one of Jaden, Tank, or Allen) although i’d certainly hope Army could talk them off those three if it ever came to that.

2) Vet left Dman: I don’t have any particular guys in mind but anybody that could be had straight up for one of the later 2nd founders or a 3rd would be alright by me.

3) Backup Goalie: Even if the Blues go with Bish backing up Jaro Water, that oughta be an improvement over Conk. With rumblings involving Bobrovsky and Varlamov, guys who could certainly fill damn nicely as a starter for an extended timeframe if Halak ever hurt himself, something might be workable but I see other teams willing to offer more since the Blues have a perfectly sensible option with Big Ben. If the right offer (None of the org’s top 3 kids and only one or two picks) came along, though, id jump on it.

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by Poor College Student on Jun 24, 2011 10:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Man, I really don't agree with your 1st one.

As much as I want a legit top player, I don’t think I’d be willing to move any of Tank, Jaden, or Allen to do it. A package built around Ian Cole, maybe, but parting with 1 of those 3 AND an additional first, when scoring last year wasn’t our biggest problem? No way man. Instead of aiming as high as a Parise or Spezza, I’d say aim just a tad lower.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be perfectly fine with a lower top 6

But if Army ends up pursuing one of the top top forwards, the other GMs will ask for one of those.

At that point, it’s a matter of if Armstrong thinks it’ll be worth it and if the top guy would gel. Obviously, they know more than I do about that

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by Poor College Student on Jun 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Parise

would look good in the Note.But if we have to trade Oshie to get him, I might cry

ADAPT

by Gazz on Jun 24, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

why?

parise 4x better the oshie

going through the handshake line at my game the other night, guy says youre still a prick Evan...me: yep sure am next time stop me from scoring

by DESTROYER on Jun 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,my concern wouldn't be trading Oshie

It would be trading Oshie and what else. Cause it would take a lot more then Oshie.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about this then

oshie, 2 seconds, and nikitin

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by DESTROYER on Jun 24, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't think New Jersey would take that.

But if that was the offer… damn, that’s a tough one. I think I’d say yes. While I like Nikitin, losing him doesn’t fuck over our long term plans at all, Parise goes to the first line wth (I’d say) Bergie and Stewie, McDonald/Backes/Steen second line with a 3rd built around Dagger, Sobotka, and a free agent. Yeah, I’d do that.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just love the way Osh plays

I love his hitting,dangkes, and his willingness to not give up.

ADAPT

by Gazz on Jun 24, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

A solid Veteran Def and or 3rd line Forward

I would like to see the Blues trade for immediate help at 3rd line forward position ( someone who wins the majority of faceoffs would be a huge ++++ ) or a Veteran D with those extra picks the Blues have via trade this past season. I also would like the Blues to have Ben Bishop be the backup to Halak.

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by Steve A Reno 1965 on Jun 24, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not getting the D-man thing...

I think the Blues are fine on D — it’s up front where they need some scoring punch.

Also, I was shocked to see the Brad Lee byline — I thought he retired?

Oh wait, that was Mark Recchi.

by Mr. Particle on Jun 24, 2011 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The Blues were 6th in the Western Confrence in goals for last year.

And 9th in goals against. Going by that, one would think our problem is more keeping the puck out then putting it in. I also think, if Perron is healthy we have 8 players who could be considered at least “2nd line caliber”, or at least right on that threshold.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s a glaring hole, but we only have 2 real defensive D-Man. Petro, Shat, Cola, Cole, and Nikitin are all more puck movers then defensive stalwarts. Adding a 3rd guy to help on the PK unit with eitheir Cola or Cole would fill a need.

Course, I think adding another solid forward, preferably a 2nd line Center with Backes and McDonald on the wings, would be the right way to go.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say that Cole is more a defensive defenseman...

…than any of the other guys you mention. Not a pure shutdown “stay-at-home” type like a Jackman or a Pola’k, but more defensively aware than Colaiacovo, Nikitin or Shattenkirk.

Honestly, if the Blues put Cole and Pietrangelo together as their top defense pair, I really wouldn’t have a problem with it… but I’d rather see them get a more experienced guy to play with Pietrangeo so that Cole can go back to Peoria this year and dominate.

If Cole goes back to P-Town, the Blues will have the following lineup of prospect defenseman patrolling the blueline for the Rivs this year:

Ian Cole
Mark Cundari
Brett Ponich
David Shields
Cade Fairchild

Add in the re-signed ECHL finds from last year — Jake Gannon and Daryl Boyle — and possibly a return of Tyson Strachan, and Peoria’s defense is S-E-T set.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's actually quite a packed group.

Shields would probably the least legit “name”, and I actually have high hopes for him. BTW, do you think there’s any chance Junland would come back over to play in Peoria (Cause god knows we have way to many puck movers for him to fit in the NHL with us)? And if not, do you think we should basically go into “trade him for whatever we can get” mode, and see if anyone else wants to take a chance on him.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Junland has pretty much ruled out the possibility of ever playing in Peoria again...

…so I would be on board with trading his rights, either singly or as part of a package.

Offer him to Montreal and see if the Habs would send back Palushaj and an extra fifth-round pick.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you know what's even better?

As soon as the OHL and Finnish seasons are over, the Blues could have Brock Beukeboom and Jani Hakanpää in Peoria on ATO contracts pending their being signed for 2012-13.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Blues need any sort of a big-name investment at D...

… just someone to log lower-pairing minutes as a stay-at-home guy. A Mike Weaver type.

(Speaking of which… I wonder if one of those draft picks would pry him out of Florida?)

by BleedBlue42 on Jun 24, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

God, Mike Weaver would fit our needs so perfect.

I’d say offer a 3rd for him and see if it gets the job done.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have paid him that long, or that much

So Tampa is free to have him. Good luck to him though

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless the Blues can somehow trade up into the top ten...

..and draft either Ryan Strome or Sven Bärtschi, I’d say just keep all the picks and bring as many new prospects into the organization as possible.

I’ve seen a mock where Bärtschi falls to 20th overall, with the implied possibility that he falls even further if the ‘Yotes don’t take him there… and if he could somehow fall to the Blues as 32nd overall, I’d be turning handsprings. Bärtschi is exactly what the Blues need in the organization… a skilled, fast LW who is already over here and committed to playing in North America.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

...and Bärtschi skates for the Portland Winter Hawks, which is a BIG plus in my eyes...

…as the ’Dub is what I consider to be the best junior league in the world. Plus, as a Winter Hawk, you know the Blues took a good long look at him once or twice this year when they were checking up on Ponich.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Played with Johanson, Niederreiter, and Ponich, huh?

Was he on the same line with the first two? Would you consider trading up to try to get him if he falls into the late teens?

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, he was on a line with Johansen and his countryman Niederreiter...

…and yes, absolutely I would consider trading up to draft him if he fell into the late teens. Bärtschi is a guy I’ve had my eye on for the Blues ever since the beginning of the season.

I’d give serious consideration to drafting defenseman Joe Morrow, whom I believe was Ponich’s d-partner for some if not all the 2010-11 season, in the second round as well.

They grow hockey players in Portland; I miss living there and seeing these kids come up.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just looked up his numbers, and man...

I’m kinda stunned a guy who’se numbers rivaled Niederreiter is only ranked 11th in ISS in a weaker draft then when both his linemates went in the top 5 last year. Huh.

BTW, any interest in Ty Rattie? Also put in some great numbers for them, and he seems like a more likely option to actually have fall to us without having to do anything.

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by Novacain on Jun 24, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Rattie also...

…but as I explained in the Mock Draft post in the last “Prospect Sunday,” I would opt for more skill at 32nd overall if it was available. Alexander Khokhlachev was available, and while I considered Rattie at 32nd overall, I ultimately went with the more-skilled Khokhlachev.

If Khokhlachev falls to the Blues at 32nd, and it comes down to him or Rattie in real time, I’d hope the Blues would go for Khokhlachev… but I wouldn’t be too disappointed if they opted for Rattie instead.

"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 24, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

TRADE EVERYONE AND START OVER!

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by Donut King on Jun 24, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

my sources at rumor control say

Oshie gets his walking papers. Hearts asploding all over STL tonight.

NHL channel shows a pre draft show at 5 pm CST. Versus has the draft at 6pm CST for those wondering like me.

Just a chew toy for the hockey gods

by spectr17 on Jun 24, 2011 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll be at work, so "sources" will be welcome.

Not sure a GDT (DDT?) will be a good idea, seeing as the locals aren’t guaranteed to have anything to do tonight; but we’ll see, I guess.

by BleedBlue42 on Jun 24, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are we Royals fans?

Pretty much. We’re waiting for a handful of young guys to become All-Stars, it just ain’t happening so far, and our owner isn’t interested in getting better. The difference is the Royals have a better stadium.

by Nyghtewynd on Jun 24, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

kc?

your hockey team will win the cup beforehte baseball tema wins its next world series

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by Childhood Trauma on Jun 24, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The K is ok

The view of the interstate and a grassy hill are breathtaking. Also, the view of a AAA team is also breathtaking.

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by Brad Lee on Jun 24, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Top 5 Things About the K:

1) Short drive from Gates BBQ on Blue Ridge Parkway.
2) Plenty of room for pregame tailgating.
3) Parking lot attendants have plenty of experience ignoring all the heavy drinking that goes on while tailgating.
4) The fountains are pretty.
5) Plenty of room for postgame tailgating.

by BleedBlue42 on Jun 24, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

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