Will T.J. Oshie Get An Offer Sheet In Restricted Free Agency?
On Friday, it seems very likely that Blues forward T.J. Oshie will become a restricted free agent. While a lot would have to happen for him to not be a member of the Blues next year, it could be an exciting process. And when I say exciting process, I mean gut-wrenching because it's conceivable another team will see an offer for a young, exciting player as a decent gamble this offseason.
We don't have any concrete information that Oshie wants to test the restricted waters, but for a player in his position, it's his only leverage with the team that holds his rights. If I were him, of course I'd want to see what my value is on the market, especially this summer. The list of unrestricted free agents is thin. Chinese gymnast thin. The list of impact players starts with Brad Richards. From there, the drop off is rather severe. Sure, Simon Gagne could help your team. Tomas Kaberle is pretty good. Christian Erhoff is a nice player. But the number of sizzle players who could create some buzz is thin. Tampa could make a huge mistake by letting Steven Stamkos get to Friday without a contract, but that would be madness. It would be full-blown Insanity if they didn't match.
There will be second and third line guys getting handsome contract offers for two reasons:
1. The salary cap went up, so general mangers have money to spend and tickets to sell.
2. Because the salary cap went up, the salary floor went up. According to Capgeek, half the teams in the league are below the floor of $48.3 million.
Oshie's case for getting paid is an intriguing one. He doesn't turn 25 until December. He is a strong skater who can play a physical game, is good in the shootout, can reliably kill penalties and spend time on the second power play unit. He can play wing or center (better as a winger now, but could be a center with a little more growth). And for not really accomplishing a ton in his first three seasons, he's got a growing reputation. He's got a list of clips on Youtube (I'd stick the Rick Nash hits here, but I think we've got them memorized). Any general manager that makes a play at overpaying Oshie will make headlines.
Upside: You potentially get an exciting, complementary player that could push your team to another level. Or if the Blues match, you potentially make Oshie more expensive for a couple years for the Blues if they match -- possible motivation for a conference or division foe.
Downside: You get Oshie for more than he's worth and he gets hurt again (49 games played this year, 56 three seasons ago). You piss off John Davidson something fierce and he makes you pay with an offer sheet at some point (See also, Canucks, Vancouver and Bernier, Steve).
The Blues are playing a dangerous game of chicken. Finances are tight. Doug Armstrong says he has some budget to play with, but why is Oshie unsigned? Are Teej's demands too high? Did the Blues only offer a year or two to prove himself after getting suspended for missing practice late in the season and he didn't like the idea? Is Armstrong ready to walk away from the frosted tip wunderkind?
Here's my prediction: Oshie will get an offer sheet. The Blues will take their time and they will probably match the offer. Unless it's close to David Backes money. Then they walk away and accept compensation.
It really would be Go for Osh.
What do you think will happen? Let us know down below.
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Oshie won't get an offer sheet
No one will get an offer sheet. Take a look at this list.
Since 1998, only six players have signed offer sheets. Six. As I’ve said before, the get an RFA is just too risky. To get an RFA, you have to be willing to overpay both in years and annual salary. Plus, you have to give up draft picks.
The RFA compensation looks like this: More than $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 = a second round pick. The Blues would certainly match this for Oshie.
More than $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 = a 1st and a 3rd. Is Oshie really worth that, both in terms of value or how much you’re going to give up.
Oshie isn’t going anywhere.
Not sure how people figure he isnt worth a first round pick. I would laugh if all it took to get a guy like osh was a first and third.
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Are you telling me that if Edmonton signed Oshie to an offer sheet...
That gave us their first and third next year, you wouldn’t take it.
Cause as much as I love Teej, I’d pack his bags for him. Fan of his or not, if I think I can get a top ten pick out of a guy who has yet to have a 20 goal season and has missed more then 20 games in two of his 3 seasons, I jump.
Now if the 1st was from a top team, that would make me have to really think about things.
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by Novacain on Jun 29, 2011 5:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bingo
Oshie was a low first-round pick. If you can get a top-10 pick and a top-10 third round pick, that’s not a bad deal for an injury-prone player who has yet to fulfill his potential.
I'm not sure I agree with the ''injury-prone'' label...
…but I’m all the way on board with getting picks in the Top Ten of the first and third rounds for Oshie.
If a team that’s likely to finish out of the lottery race signs him, however, I’d probably be more inclined to match at $3.2MM per year or thereabouts.
If someone offers him stupid money (i.e. anything more than $3.5MM per year), then I don’t see the Blues matching regardless of where the compensatory picks would fall.
Love Oshie’s heart,. his competitiveness, his willingness to go balls-out for his team… but not at anything more than $3.5MM a year, for what he’s shown this far. Novacain makes a great point in his post:
Fan of his or not, if I think I can get a top ten pick out of a guy who has yet to have a 20 goal season and has missed more then 20 games in two of his 3 seasons, I jump.
Without the production, no one has heart worth $3.5MM a year. The Blues, or any other team, can get three guys with as much heart as Oshie for a total of $3.5MM a year, and combined, they’d probably score at least 20 goals…
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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 29, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Goddamn it, I really wish there was a friggin' ''EDIT'' feature for these posts.
Novacain’s comments
should have been in blockquote format.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 29, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Lottery teams dont poach players with RFAs. Teams who expect to go deep into the playoffs poach players. I dont care if he is just a late first himself, if you go through old drafts and look at the average player taken 20+ oshie is still out performing them. We would basically be trading oshie for the chance to pick up another oshie in a few years.
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Totally agree
Another thing, when GMs try to poach players they usually do it when it puts the RFA’s team in a bind (see: San Jose sending an offer sheet to Hjalmarsson when the Blackhawks were up against the cap ceiling). As you said, the Blues will match anything that teams would throw within reasonable compensation range (for instance, the Panthers, despite needing to get to the salary floor, need their draft picks more than anything right now). If a team just throws an offer at Oshie that the Blues will easily match, although with slight inconvenience, it just makes the poaching GM look bad.
my thoughts exactly
and after the BaCkes/Van debacle, I don’t think anyone has the cajones to fuck with JD.
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by ilikeboyes on Jun 29, 2011 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hopefully
oshie’s management team doesn’t drunkenly pass out at the negotiating table.
roughly three people will get this ref.
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I think he'll get one....and it could be bad news.
for 2 main reasons:
1) UFA crop is thin
2) a lot of teams need to spend money just to get to the floor. If I’m a GM I’d risk overpaying a young-up-and-coming star.
I realize the history of offer sheets is not great, but this year seems like that could change.
Kopecky signed for $3m avg
yes he has a Cup, but Oshie has better numbers the past 3 years.
Did the Blues not extend a qualifying offer to Oshie?
And does that not preclude his being given offer sheets by anyone else?
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by Tomorrows Blues on Jun 29, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
No. They didn't.
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by Brad Lee on Jun 29, 2011 12:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait. They did.
But the question becomes what they will match.
I need to lie down.
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by Brad Lee on Jun 29, 2011 12:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
also, re: Bernier
can i just say i’m glad that JD was a dick and offered Bernier an offer sheet… but man, am I glad Vancouver matched it.
Bernier sucks.
Next in the Nate the Great mystery series: Nate the Great searches for a free-agent forward who doesn't blow dicks.
Teej will seek an offer sheet, a-la Roman Polak a couple years ago.
Teej will not get the offer sheet he seeks.
Teej will re-sign for a slight upcharge of the qualifying offer for one season.
No Hell will break loose.
Then, God willing, new owners will come in and sign him to a reasonable extension.
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