Goal tender discussion. Halak/CuJo

by MountainBeaver on Sep 23, 2011 12:56 PM CDT

I hear a lot of people say how good Curtis Joseph was when he played for the Blues. Even my mom knows who CuJo is so that's saying something. I was really young when he wore the note so I didn't really get to experience it. I did go to one game he played in though. However his performance was over shadowed by a Hull hat-trick. When you're 8 years old and Hull scores 3 times that's really all you go away remembering.

Basically what I wanted to do here is get some insight on CuJo.

I was looking at some stats and for a guy like me they don't look too impressive. I know stats can lie sometimes though. For fun I compared Halak's first season as a Blue with what I thought was statistically speaking Joseph's best with the Blues. Here's what I got.

Joseph 1993-1994 GP-71 SO-1 GAA-3.10 PCT-.911 W-36

Halak 2010-2011 GP-57 SO-7 GAA-2.48 PCT-.910 W-27

So clearly Joseph played more games I know that can make a big difference, but Halak had a lower GAA and six more shutouts.

I just thought this would be fun to discuss. Sorry if I sound like a stupid dumbass.

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Different game back then. Just look at the pads they wore back then as opposed to now.

Also that was in the year when he faced more shots than any other goalie EVER. 2382 which works out to over 33 shots per game. Halak face 1518 which works out to 26.6 per game. 7 shots per game means that one more goal against every 4 periods basically which will change a GAA for the worse while not being a true measure of the goalies skill at stopping pucks.

If you look at their win percentages Cujo has 50.7 to Halak’s 47.3.

In short they are both great goalies and trying to say which is better is an exercise in futility since it all depends which numbers you look at

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by Maverides on Sep 23, 2011 7:49 PM CDT reply actions

It's hard to compare an early-90s stat line with a modern one.

To put Cujo’s numbers in perspective, you need to compare them to the other starting goalies in 93-94. Without having done the work, I think you’d find that the average 93-94 ’tender saw a lot more shots and gave up a lot more goals than the average 10-11 netminder.

by BleedBlue42 on Sep 24, 2011 3:13 AM CDT reply actions

Cool this clears some stuff up.

I just wanted to compare the two because you always hear that Cujo was the last franchise goal tender the Blues had and Halak is possibly the next.

MountainBeaver

by MountainBeaver on Sep 24, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions

The Top 30 goalies in wins for the ’93-94 season and had an average GAA and SV% of 2.982 and .899 respectively. For comparison, during the ’10-11 season the Top 30 Wins group had an average GAA and SV% of 2.488 and .917.

CuJo finished the season with 3.10 GAA and a 0.911 SV%, which is around .28 and .12 above the GAA/SV% averages — good for 20th in GAA and 5th in SV%. The GAA, which is on the higher end of the goalies, isn’t bad considering the team itself was on the higher end of goals against per game, and his backup Jim Hrivnak was posting a GAA of over 4.

Halak finished with 2.48 GAA and .911 SV%, good for 14th and 24th — slightly below the GAA and SV% averages. Considering that this was only Halak’s first season with the Blues, and more importantly primarily against the Western Conference, he did pretty well. If he can find better consistency and get help from the defense I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t go above and beyond his totals and into the Top 10 group of goaltenders.

by River City Rumble on Sep 26, 2011 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs