Elliott Signed to 2 Year Contract Extension

Probably

doesn’t mean anything to Jaro other than he’s got a backup to push his arse and keep him focussed.

Bishop is an RFA this year, right?

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by drfrankentweed on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM CST reply actions

bish= trade bait

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by DESTROYER on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions

That's kinda what I'm thinking as well...

Bishop’s playing out of his mind in Peoria this year, so his trade value is probably as high as it will ever be. Package him up with Berglund (?) and get the best return you can get.

Sign Karpowich, who is a senior this year, to be Allen’s backup in P-Town next season. In 2013-14, bring Niklas Lundstrom over if Allen has moved up or moved out; otherwise, let Lundstrom stay over in Sweden.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions

Same.

My thought though is that itay have been better to hold off on signing Elliot, so that any potential trade partners would have thought the Blues were giving up just a little bit more in a trade.

By virtue of the backup situation being “unclear,” teams may have been more willing to give up more.

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by TheDuke32 on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

This assumes that the Blues weren't looking at potential trades...

Maybe they dangled Elliott a bit and didn’t find anything worth the return. At the end of a day, having a decent backup and some goalie competition has been healthy… that was the case in Chicago with Huet and Niemi and Tukkaa and Thomas were battling for the starter’s role at the beginning of last season. Jaro has thrived when he has competition as well.

by Cole Youngner on Jan 19, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions

Looks like the 'Note has a glut of talent playing Goalie.

Jaro and Elliot stay. Bishop and Allen have become expendable. Who stays/goes and what do you get for them of you do decide to move them?

by JGB on Jan 18, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions

allen has not become expendable lol

dudes still super yound halak and elliott are both 26

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by DESTROYER on Jan 18, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions

great move…i think bishop has become expendable. Allen can develop a few more years in Peoria.

by theredmonster on Jan 18, 2012 5:01 PM CST reply actions

Allen still has a few years to go

I expect Bishop to be part of some package deal to somewhere for someone

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by luvhockey on Jan 18, 2012 7:40 PM CST reply actions

It means, if Elliot is like Halak and thrives on competition...

… And isn’t a one year wonder, we have a goaltending tandem that could be the Western Confrence version of Thomas and Rask.

Love it. No promises Elliot stays elite, but even if he stays solid, the price is right.

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by Novacain on Jan 18, 2012 8:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs

^This^

“The price is right”… definitely. We get Elliott in his prime… but he still has good years left afterwards for him to have future trade value or to continue being our solid backup guy.

by Cole Youngner on Jan 19, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions

I don't know what it means for Bishop and Allen

But for me, it means a renewed belief in Santa. It’s a little later than I expected but I got the 2-year supply of MOOSE JUICE that I asked for!

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by Dan. on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM CST reply actions

You gotta refrigerate that Moose Juice ya know

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by spectr17 on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

Tampa Bay, New Jersey

Two franchises who both really need to find a long term goaltending solution and currently have nothing in the pipeline.

A deal with New Jersey for Zach Parise if they don’t think they’ll be able to resign him would make us a cup favorite overnight.

by TheEnginerd on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 PM CST reply actions

We already are a Stanley Cup favorite.

Whether or not anyone in the media want to acknowledge it.

I have problems coming up with trade offers cause I really don’t know Bergie’s value around the league. Is he still considered a future top 6? Cause Berglund, Bishop, and Joe Blow could work there. Is he a 3rd liner? Cause Joe Blow might turn in Cola if that’s the case. Would Tampa be willing to move, say, St.Louis without Berglund coming into play? Is D’Agostini, the next obvious trade piece, actually more valuable than Bergie? I need answers dammit!

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by Novacain on Jan 18, 2012 9:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

D'Ags goes?

He’s been struggling lately in my opinion, giving up some dumb penalties like against detroit a few weeks ago. can’t say i’d be heart broken to see him go

by bluenoteinked on Jan 18, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think there's a chance in hell we land him

but I would love for the Blues to trade for St. Louis if only so that I can stop being disappointed when I see “St. Louis” headlines and realize its referencing the Lightning.

by Perrowned on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

^^This^^

He’s past his prime, but I’ve always liked the idea of the name on the back of the jersey being the same as the name on the front

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by baroose on Jan 19, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions

Probably makes Bishop expendable, which makes me nervous

I’m worried about Elliot’s performance going way down next year. If Elliot can’t split the load, Halak will be pressured more. Halak plays well (perhaps even his best) under pressure, but it would be a big adjustment for him to have to play 60 games a season without a good backup.

by yoobee on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 PM CST reply actions

Not sure what this signals for Bishop's future with the Note

On the surface.. it would appear that management does not believe he’s ready for full time backup duty at the top level. Given his limited NHL experience and Elliott’s resurgence this year and pushing Jaro, I can’t say I don’t blame Army and JD for giving Elliott an extension. Judging on his play so far, he’s earned it.

Now I do wonder what Bishop’s real trade value is actually worth. As mentioned earlier, Tampa and Jersey are staring down a goaltending situation in the near future, but are they going to gamble on a guy who’s had decent numbers in the A and been so-so in “the show”? My gut says no.. and I don’t think we would get much in return. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Bishop’s career may have reached the ceiling.. Good AHL keeper, average at best at the top level. By trading him.. we then run the risk of Elliott either breaking and spending time on IR or becoming the sieve he was in Colorado and Ottawa.. and then we’re suddenly awfully thin in net.. Allen definately needs more seasoning in P’town.. but if Bishop tears up the A.. then the drawback is that it cuts into Allen’s development.

It’s a tough call here.. not sure how this will play out. I think you keep Bishop and have him push Allen in Peoria unless someone comes along and makes a knock-your-socks-off offer for him. JMO.

I think Bishop needs to use this as motivation to elevate his game even more, be the dominant goalie in the A and get the Rivs deep into the Calder Cup playoffs, and go from there. If he’s an RFA, I don’t really see someone taking a run at him on a ridiculous offer sheet (look how cheap Washington got Vokoun as a UFA last summer).. sign him as insurance.

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by DecaturBluesFan on Jan 18, 2012 10:18 PM CST reply actions

Bishop's already pretty damn close to being the dominant goalie in the AHL...

Guy’s in in the top five in every major goaltending category — wins (T-1), GAA (5), save percentage (2), shutouts (1). It doesn’t get much better than that.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 18, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions

That may be..

and if you eliminate the two ahead of him in GAA who have played less than 20 games.. then he’s in top 3 in that cat too. My point is that it seems if the Rivs are going to go deep into the playoffs.. he’s gonna have to lead the way. That will help increase his value, because if he leads the league in every statistical category and the Rivs miss the playoffs or get bounced in round one.. that’s not going to help him.. whether it’s his fault or not. Granted it’s still early, but as of right now (in the perverbial “if the playoffs started today” scenario) aren’t they on shaky ground as far as the playoffs go?

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by DecaturBluesFan on Jan 18, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions

Yes and no...

Yes, the Rivermen are currently (“if the playoffs started today”) the No. 8 seed in the West because, just as in the NHL, the AHL Western Conference has more quality teams.

The playoffs, however, do not necessarily figure into Bishop’s trade value, because the trade deadline is well before the date when the playoffs start.

What will have more impact on Bishop’s trade value right now is if the Blues sign him or extend his current contract.

Otherwise, he has no trade value at all after February 14 (or whenever the deadline is), because he will be a free agent at season’s end. Playoff success, or lack of it, will only affect his next contract — whether that is with the Blues or someone else.

I personally don’t think the Blues will trade Bishop as long as he’s carrying the Rivermen on his back like he is. As long as he continues to play at the level he’s playing now, Bishop holds all the cards and can pretty much write his own ticket for next year, again, whether that’s with the Blues or some other organization.

The Blues are, in a real sense, victims of Bishop’s success; they probably don’t want to trade him at the deadline because that would probably blow Peoria’s season right off the planet… and the Blues own the Rivermen, so if they start losing and failing to draw, the value of the entire franchise package is dragged down somewhat.

But if they don’t trade him, and he goes on to kick ass and take names the rest of the season and deep into the playoffs, then he’s gonna get paid for next season, and the Blues take the very real risk of losing him for shit nothing as a free agent.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions

Bishop has 1 more year as an RFA I believe.

So he’s pretty much tied to us no matter what unless we trade him.

by Holiday86 on Jan 19, 2012 8:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Negative... Bishop is on a QO at present...

Per Capgeek.

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by Tomorrows Blues on Jan 19, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions

Bishop = trade bait

The writing is on the wall for Bishop, who I have noticed is’nt even listed any longer as a prospect for the Blues on Hockey’s future website.

Allen is not expendable, Allen will continue to hone his skills in peoria.

A package including Bishop to New Jersey? Tampa? The Islanders?

Getting Parise from the Devils or any Forward on the market with a hefty salary probably won’t happen due to the continuing saga on the sale of the Blues to a new ownership group however…

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by Steve A Reno 1965 on Jan 18, 2012 10:50 PM CST reply actions

Too old.

I believe. He’s “graduated”.

Also, if we add a player, you have to count the salaries of the other players we send which would equal it out a bit.

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by Novacain on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Unitl this ownership thing gets settled

any talk about Parise coming here via trade, teleporting, or alien abduction is wishful thinking.. even if its a package deal with salary going the opposite direction. Just don’t see it happening, the guy is going to demand major bucks and I don’t think we’re players in that poker game.

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by DecaturBluesFan on Jan 18, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions

Bishop's NHL Totals are...

@ Novacain : Ben has only played in 13 NHL games, 6 in 2008,09, 7 last season. 1-1-1 in 08- 09, 3-4-0 with one shutout last season. That hardly qualifies as Graduating to the NHL . But agreed on the " OLD " age, Bishop’s at that age where you can’t call him a prospect any longer.

Management has a decision to make. Someone will be moved tradewise before the deadline. Logic says it will be Bishop since Elliot & Halak current salaries make them diificult to trade.

@ Decatur I agree with your assesment on Parise…

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by Steve A Reno 1965 on Jan 19, 2012 3:51 AM CST reply actions

Bishop's gone.

The Blues now have three NHL-ready goaltenders, and two of them have one-way deals until 2014. And Jake Allen is . . . oh, about two years away from being NHL-ready. As much as we all love Bishop and want him to succeed, he’s not long for the organization, and this pretty much sealed it.

In other news . . . GREAT for Elliott. The dude worked his ass off in camp, earned a job, became a starter, became an All-Star and got paid. Hell of a six-month period for him, I’d say.

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by Donut King on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM CST reply actions

I think you hit the nail on the head

Bishop is an enormous, quality goalie that you hate to see go, but he’s not fantastic, his numbers are awesome this year but so are Elliot’s except Elliot is doing it in the NHL, Allen behind him hasn’t had great numbers this year but is young and from why I’ve been told (I don’t exactly watch the WHL daily) has looked really good and Bushop won’t be very young in a year or two, if he’s even in our system with his impending FA status. This would be a good time to trade him, he is an expendable trade chip, and with out success this year and our lack of scoring, grabbing a big scorer at the deadline would be fantastic

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 19, 2012 9:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Comment from Blues GM Armstrong from the PD on a Trade of Bishop

The Blues now have considerable goaltending depth in the organization, including Bishop, 25, and Jake Allen, 21, in Peoria. The team appears to have trade bait at the position, particularly with Bishop, who was named to the AHL’s All-Star Game Wednesday. He is a restricted free agent after the season.
Asked about the potential of a trade, Armstrong said, “I don’t think so. We want to have depth and we can safely say now moving forward, with (Elliott and Halak) under contract, and Jake under contract next year and Ben here now, we have depth.”

I’m not buying it.

We all know the $$$$$$$$ restrictions placed due to the never ending saga on Ownership of the Blues. And it ticks me off more then anything. Adding a stud forward who would put fear into the opposition could be the final piece for a parade down Market Street for the 1st time in Franchise History…

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by Steve A Reno 1965 on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM CST reply actions

Just sayin'

Bishop, Cole, and Berglund are going somewhere for a sniper. I’d take Parise and Salvador for those 3 and maybe a pick.

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by Oshie74 on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions

i may be a bit biased towards Cole

but seriously you guys are idiots if you think cole is gone, if it happens Ill eat my words, but Cola will be gone before cole

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by DESTROYER on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions

Each, Cole is too big of a defensive prospect to dump

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Each, Cole is too big of a defensive prospect to dump

Into a trade. You better be getting an awfully big return if Cole is in there. Bishop is showing dominance in the AHL and will be gone after this year, that means he’s traded and he’s clearly the big chip do whatever trade, you aren’t going to double headline prospects in a trade without a big return. I know about baseball trades more than hockey trades, but in any sport you drop a big prospect and a couple of full ins for a big trade, if you’re dropping to big prospects it’s for an awfully big return unless your GM is a fucking moron

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Each = agree, fucking autocorrect

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 19, 2012 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

That's a nice way to get your point across.

Ian Cole is not the second coming of Al MacInnis. He’s a hell of a prospect, but if it gets you Parise, then they can have him, and Bishop, and Bergie.

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by Oshie74 on Jan 19, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

itd have to be for more then parise and salvador

why trade that many prospects and an NHL ready player for parise and an over the hill, the only way that trade works is if its those 3 a 3rd rd pick for those two and a 1st

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by DESTROYER on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't do it.

Cole is a long term top 4 defensemen. That means we’d be giving a potential top 6 forward, top 4 defensemen, and NHL caliber goalie for a guy we might be able to get in free agency without giving anything up.

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by Novacain on Jan 19, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

thats my point with it

no way Cole leaves, especially as long as hitch is here

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by DESTROYER on Jan 19, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

why not replace Cole in that package with Shields or Fairchild?

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by ilikeboyes on Jan 21, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions

Don't want to deal Fairchild if we can avoid it

Though it’s a fair suggestion. Not sure what people think of Shields.

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by Novacain on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Is there anybody like me out there

Where you keep checking this site over and over for any news of a big trade? What was the last really huge trade that we have made? Gretzky? I know we have made some significant trades, a la Weight, Tkachuk, Mac, but what I’m talking superstar trade here.

by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions

Tkachuvk

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Tkachuck wasn't a superstar?

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Ya I guess

Maybe I’m just remembering his overweight days when he didn’t really put up superstar numbers.

by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

ummm shatty and stewie

for ej was a very big deal

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by DESTROYER on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

Touche

You are correct sir. Totally slipped my mind…

by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 19, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions

what does it mean?

what it has ALWAYS meant. under-perform for 2 years, but then put together two months of good (or better) play and get a multi year dealllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

so ben, jaro, that other guy at the ahl level, just win like, oooh 11 games in feb-april and you two will get a new spankin deal

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by Childhood Trauma on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions

Doesn't mean anything

Every organization needs more than two goalies to survive the rigors of todays, crash-the-goalie mentality. If Halak ever goes down with an injury over an extended period, you’ll see what I mean.

Elliot is no starting goalie. He’s fine as a backup.

by Marvellous on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions