Tuesdays With Hildy(!): Will The Winter Classic Come To St. Louis, And Does It Matter?
Admit it: whether you cared about either team in this year's Winter Classic or not, you watched it. It's the NHL's one non-playoff spectacle, and when it's done correctly, it can be pretty swell to watch. The snow-globe game in Buffalo, for example, was beautiful television (even if it made for terrible ice conditions and game stoppages). We all enjoyed rooting for the meteor in 2009 when the Red Wings played the Blackhawks at Wrigley Field. It was spiffy at Fenway.
And then you have games like last season, where the rain made for dangerous ice conditions and the game's biggest star gets laid out with a concussion that he still hasn't recovered from. And, as Helene Elliott of the LA Times correctly points out, you get games like yesterday's that was just meh. Just light snow flurries, too much sun, probably a little too warm... two teams that're rivals but not really good ones... a meh ballpark with no historical background to it. And, to cap off the dullness, NBC's uninspired coverage of the game.
Is the shiny wearing off of the Classic? Well, when you have it every single year - and make it a game with no special significance other than the fact that it's outside - of course it is. It also doesn't help at all that all of the Classics except for the Wings/Hawks one have involved Eastern Conference teams, with just one from the Southeast Division. Also, since the Penguins and Flyers have both been two Classics, one can sense the variety fading away. Thirty teams in the league, and already two repeats? Blah.
How to fix this? New markets!
Next year isn't the year for a new market. The Classic will be in Detroit, though the venue is open. However, at least a Western Conference team'll be hosting, albiet one located in the Eastern Time Zone for TV purposes. As Wysh tosses out, you can actually have different opponents (!), like the San Jose Sharks to finally get the West Coast into the fun. Heck, he even mentions the Blues as possible opponents for next year. While that would be fun, considering the Blues' not-a-rivalry with the Wings and the fact that the road team's won every Winter Classic thus far (except for 2010 which the Bruins won in OT), the NHL looks for market size, and San Jose's close(ish) to LA, which equals large market to them. And that's the Blues' problem in getting into a Classic, let alone hosting one - market size.It'll be a while. Wysh and CBC both agree that the order for hosting will be Detroit, Washington (or Baltimore), and New York for Yankee Stadium's use. So, that's three more Classics featuring teams that've been the road teams and teams that've won Classics already. It's going to be a while for St. Louis to host one - the soonest is 2016. But, if the Blues're the road team next year, then it's almost a gimmie that they'll host in 2016, right?
Let's pretend that yes, that's right. The Blues host in 2016, and the NHL give them a big-name rival, like the Blackhawks, to solidify TV ratings. Excitement! Busch Stadium! Arch! But outside of St. Louis - outside of us being able to claim the event of the year, does it matter? The ratings this year for the Classic were the lowest so far, and that was with two good teams fighting for the top spot in the conference going at it. Two huge markets were featured, and the reaction was just "meh." Sure, the league made a killing on merchandise and tickets - and they certainly would in St. Louis as well. But, well, after the fact do we want to look at the ratings for the game, see something low, and be frustrated that more people didn't tune in? Or, is the thrill of being told by the NHL that we're special enough? After all, the NHL takes many, many things into consideration when choosing locations. This'd be a shot for the Blues to be on the national stage for the first time in many years, and it'd be validation that they're valued by the NHL as a franchise.
And, as an added treat, imagine the alumni game. I'd be more thrilled to watch Hull, MacInnis, Pronger, CuJo, Shanny, and everyone else out there than to watch the game itself.
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Correction.
Boston was the home team in 2010 and won the game in overtime.
Kent Huskins cares. Do you?
Whoops, duh.
Thanks for catching that – I’ll fix it.
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Three words: Clydesdales. On. Ice.
I’d love to see a Clydesdale march around a snow-covered Busch carrying the Stanely Cup! The only question is could they march in time with “The St. Louis Blues?”
Then again, even if we play in Detroit next year, you’d think we’d be behind Minnesota in line to host – I mean, we’re talking about the fertle cresent of American hockey up there! Especially if the Vikings get a new outdoor stadium by 2016, it might be an even longer wait for us.
I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"
I'd actually be cool with it in MN.
I mean, the whole state’d go batshit insane. It’s like a mini-Canada when it comes to hockey.
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If/When we do get to host
I’d cream myself for jerseys that harken back to the Garry Unger days, maybe with a slightly bigger but still askew Blue Note!
Until that day, though, I have to say that the Rangers sweaters yesterday are my favorite hockey sweaters of all time (excluding the Blues, of course)!
I know it's time for hockey because I've started singing "Don't Stop Believing" with the words "...born and raised in FUCK DETRIOT!!!"
by J-Mill on Jan 3, 2012 4:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
MN is a good choice...
Have Dallas visit and have them rock the NorthStar. (I’m not the first one to say this.)
by JGB on Jan 3, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'll join all the Blues fans out there in wanting a Winter Classic in St. Louis BUT...
…the bias of the NHL will win out every time. In my humble opinion if you have anything to do with the Winter Classic, there should be at least a mandatory “cooling off period.” I’m looking at YOU Pittsburgh and Philadelphia (and probably Detroit after next year). 5 ’Classics and you got to play twice. Even as the visiting team you get to reap the benefits of exposure and profit.
I would think that a Midwest team, such as YOUR St. Louis Blues making the trip to Denver, Vancouver or Minneapolis.
I know, I know…I threw a Canadian city in there, but I can dream can I?
Where would it be played in Vancouver?
From what I can tell, the only true open air stadiums in Vancouver are Swangard Stadium, former home of the Vancouver Whitecaps FC and Scotiabank Field at Nat Baily Stadium home of the Vancouver Canadians Short Season A baseball team.
I suppose they could play it in BC Place, but while it is a retractable roof, it only opens right above the field the way that the old Dallas Stadium looked like someone had opened the sun roof.
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I did not watch
I am not a big fan. Look at that photo. Looks stupid in a ball park. How does a fan get involved in that game?? Along with shoot out, get rid of silly gimmicks. I do like the idea of an old 67-78 style sweater on the ice. I just found a guy to make me a custom Barclay sweater. I’ll be the drunk, fat and bald # 8 molesting Louie in about 8 weeks
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by TerrapinKen on Jan 3, 2012 7:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Much as I would love to see the Blues play in next year's Classic...
… I can’t really get my hopes up.
If Detroit is actually hosting, and the league actually breaks free of its all-Northeast bias, I’d expect the two top potential opponents to be Minnesota and Tampa. The Wilds will be division conference rivals next year, which would give the game some extra intensity; and Tampa gives Gary Bettman another excuse to lovingly fondle Steve Yzerman’s genitalia while still catering to East Coast viewers in large markets.
Here it is, plain, simple and in numbered form:
1) If the Winter Classic were to either come to St. Louis or somehow involve the Blues, I am buying tickets to it and I am attending it.
2) After watching the 2011 Winter Classic in Pittsburgh, having one in St. Louis at a similar time poses similar problems, i.e. “We have no fucking clue what the weather will be like, I mean, it could be 50 and rainy or -2 and blizzards, but either way someone’s probably gonna bitch about it.”
3) I seriously, FULLY doubt that if the Blues are EVER involved in a Winter Classic, that it would be played in St. Louis. “St. Louis” is just an odd way for people to spell “Detroit” in the NHL back-office hallways. That will never change.
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